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For those of you not old enough to witness the time before SC1 was launched, there was once a Great War fought between the legendary Netscape against the unscrupulous and despicable Internet Explorer.
Back in those Win 3.x and Win 95 days, Windows was famous for its Blue Screen of Death. If system itself hasn't failed you already, using IE will finish the job. IE was truly a despicable child. But the availability IE4 on Win 95 machines made its popularity spread like gonorrhea. Netscape 5 fell critically ill as millions of uninformed users became infected with IE4.
IE4 became triumphant, IE5 and IE6 landed more crippling blows with IE7 delivering the coup de grace. Netscape was shutdown in 2008. The bastard child IE reigned the web supreme.
[To see why IE's birth was illegitimate, click on spoiler]+ Show Spoiler +http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spyglass,_Inc.
However, as Netscape falls from grace, a new generation of browsers were created which sown the seeds for the Second War. For quite some time, we are aware that Firefox et al has been chipping away market share at the expense of IE. But last month, this this level of erosion is approaching a critical stage. IE now only holds 51% of market and a free-for-all is about to being between the major contenders.
+ Show Spoiler +http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers
Most of us may be oblivious as to why this is important. From the First War, both Netscape and IE raced to grab market by introducing new features which were incompatible with each other. Furthermore, the arms race lead to negligence in safety. Of course, when Netscape was defeated, most website designers complied to the standards of IE. Even today, many websites can only be viewed properly from IE. But with IE soon failing the 50% mark, things are going to be exciting on the net.
And with the potential collapse of IE in sight, especially losing to an NFP project, supremacy of Microsoft's proprietary business model as a whole can be questioned. The mere suspicion that a rival like Linux can challenge the profitable Windows establishment can cause MSFT price to fall. Or at the very least, allow competitors to rise. In fact, APPL is now worth $251B compared to MSFT at $218B.
Make no mistake, War is coming!
Latest News:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers
Fire Fox is now the most popular browser in EU and IE has now dropped below the 50% mark.
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It's about time for Internet Explorer to die. The sooner the better imo
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I hope Google Chrome wins.
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is there anything good about IE at all? granted, i havent checked in forever, but i still highly doubt it. also a lot of sites are recommending viewing in firefox, sooo
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Google Chrome. Superior browser
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Obey the Google overmind and you will prosper! I seriously wish I could uninstall IE's existence from my laptop, but alas that trash is the only program that let me download new drivers.
End this war swiftly Chrome!
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personally, i only use IE on certain websites that can only work properly with IE. else i m FF.
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We are <Google>soft. You will be assimilated.
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i used to firefox too but chrome has been so much better
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TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%
Chrome is growing pretty fast, or maybe just popular among the SC2 crowd. January (pre-beta) numbers:
Firefox: 57.43%
Internet Explorer: 17.29%
Chrome: 14.68%
Opera: 5.33%
Safari: 4.56%
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I wish IE would win. We still need people that do not run ad-blocker, thus generating revenues for most of the websites out there.
If everyone runs Firefox / Chrome + adblock, very soon every website will be starting to charge monthly fees.... starting from google.
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My beloved Opera... why you're always the least used browser 
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http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=153264
GO IE
As IE is frankly the default browser for the most popular OS on the consumer end i have nothing but high hopes for making it great. As if most people are using it i wish that it's the best fucking browser on the planet to opposite it is to wish harm upon others, clearly with this lol style logic.
Also saying IE is illegitimate would make a ton of browser illegitimate for those reasons.
Microsoft's proprietary business model as a whole can be questioned
lol anti proprietary person are ya t-t
Also using the market cap prices is not a show of microsoft's net worth, apple is a let's face it growing company esp ever sense they released the ipod it's an inflated market cap =p
On September 18 2010 15:08 Madcatcf wrote:My beloved Opera... why you're always the least used browser
marketing, opera has like none. it's like why is amd intel's bitch over these past years, well one intel just is doing better stuff lol and 2ndly intel advertises like a whore.
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Go Chrome 
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On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%
Chrome is growing pretty fast, or maybe just popular among the SC2 crowd. January (pre-beta) numbers:
Firefox: 57.43%
Internet Explorer: 17.29%
Chrome: 14.68%
Opera: 5.33%
Safari: 4.56%
Man, what's with this opera->other stuff shift? Opera for life, baby. Though realistically I use Opera, Firefox, and Chrome, in order of decreasing frequency.
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At first i was a firefox user, then chrome, then switched back to firefox because chrome changed it's colour to an ugly grey and firefox4 beta looks so pretty.
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On September 18 2010 15:24 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%
Chrome is growing pretty fast, or maybe just popular among the SC2 crowd. January (pre-beta) numbers:
Firefox: 57.43%
Internet Explorer: 17.29%
Chrome: 14.68%
Opera: 5.33%
Safari: 4.56% Man, what's with this opera->other stuff shift? Opera for life, baby. Though realistically I use Opera, Firefox, and Chrome, in order of decreasing frequency.
Why use so many, i just use opera or IE just because not every website likes opera.
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I demand a poll retake-- Chrome for life..
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Chrome, easily. Then IE if I have to, considering it's already there and I need a backup browser so rarely. I'd only use Firefox if I used it most of the time and had a bunch of addons for it.
Also, prototype, you can download a bunch of different themes to change the browser color.
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On September 18 2010 15:24 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%
Chrome is growing pretty fast, or maybe just popular among the SC2 crowd. January (pre-beta) numbers:
Firefox: 57.43%
Internet Explorer: 17.29%
Chrome: 14.68%
Opera: 5.33%
Safari: 4.56% Man, what's with this opera->other stuff shift? Opera for life, baby. Though realistically I use Opera, Firefox, and Chrome, in order of decreasing frequency.
It's not that people have switched browsers, just that there's so many more visitors now. Apparently SC2 players don't use Opera.
I'm kinda surprised IE didn't go up, actually. :p
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safari when on os x
chrome when on windows
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I'm using chrome... there are four things firefox does better:
1) Address bar, I find it easier to get to my bookmarks through firefox's bar than chrome's
2) Download window
3) ctrl + f... you can't search for exact phrases and the search bar doesn't stay open between pages
4) adblock. Firefox ad block keeps the ad from ever loading, while chrome's extensions are not allowed to do this, only keep them from being shown on screen
Everything else, chrome does better for me.
On September 18 2010 15:24 prototype. wrote:
At first i was a firefox user, then chrome, then switched back to firefox because chrome changed it's colour to an ugly grey and firefox4 beta looks so pretty.
Why didn't you just change the chrome theme :|
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On September 18 2010 15:26 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 15:24 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%
Chrome is growing pretty fast, or maybe just popular among the SC2 crowd. January (pre-beta) numbers:
Firefox: 57.43%
Internet Explorer: 17.29%
Chrome: 14.68%
Opera: 5.33%
Safari: 4.56% Man, what's with this opera->other stuff shift? Opera for life, baby. Though realistically I use Opera, Firefox, and Chrome, in order of decreasing frequency. Why use so many, i just use opera or IE just because not every website likes opera.
Firefox has some nice extensions that I like to use for some sites, and Chrome lets me watch the cool Arcade Fire music video ( www.thewildernessdowntown.com ). I actually use IE more than Chrome, come to think of it. I also use Safari sometimes when I'm on my mac LOL.
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On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%
Chrome is growing pretty fast, or maybe just popular among the SC2 crowd. January (pre-beta) numbers:
Firefox: 57.43%
Internet Explorer: 17.29%
Chrome: 14.68%
Opera: 5.33%
Safari: 4.56%
well just from the wiki alone chrome went from 0-10% in 2 years no problem. I think that rate may even pick up depending how much more google manages to take over. I'm sure chrome will be the #1 browser at some point in the future.
Unless something like earth shattering comes out that's not from google and yeahhh not seeing that.
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Firefox all the way. Hands down the best browser I've used.
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Some of those sources listed on wikipedia seem like awful places to get data from...
Statcounter? I feel that the type of people who are likely to use Statcounter do not represent your 'average internet user', and therefore it is not a good source to extract browser usage data from. These ones that are monitoring like hundreds of thousands of sites, on the other hand seem legitimate, as long as it consists of a large variety of sites.
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I use Firefox but sorta want to switch to Chrome. The only thing that is stopping me is that I'm too lazy to find a good adblock for Chrome. I use IE mostly for stuff that doesn't work with FF.
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Baa?21242 Posts
On September 18 2010 15:35 unsmart wrote:
I use Firefox but sorta want to switch to Chrome. The only thing that is stopping me is that I'm too lazy to find a good adblock for Chrome. I use IE mostly for stuff that doesn't work with FF.
The AdBlock that FF uses is on Chrome, so I don't see why that should hold you back haha.
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Chrome and Firefox for life! Chrome for general browsing while Firefox is my toolbox I also use Firefox for livestreams because adblocker plus owns hehe.
I really like Chrome for it's fluidity, ease of use, and because the browser itself takes up so little room. The address bar on Chrome is just so awesome! I use it to do Google searches, when I wanna make a search on YouTube I just hit y-o-u-TAB then type what I want to search. I don't believe you can do that in any other browser
I'm pretty sure Chrome and Firefox are the top used amongst people who actually know anything about computers (and thus look beyond the default browser).
Do any of you know someone who uses IE over the other browsers based on preference?
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I use mostly ff, but chrome once in a while, found that its faster and i like the fact that the address bar is a google search funtion, but in the end i prefer the layout of firefox's.
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Opera>All. I don't know why the numbers are so low.
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On September 18 2010 15:37 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 15:35 unsmart wrote:
I use Firefox but sorta want to switch to Chrome. The only thing that is stopping me is that I'm too lazy to find a good adblock for Chrome. I use IE mostly for stuff that doesn't work with FF. The AdBlock that FF uses is on Chrome, so I don't see why that should hold you back haha.
You could also use a HOSTS file manager like hostsman and never have to worry about browser plug ins again, along with the added benefit of blocking bad websites among other things that could be undesirables. Also why block ads as long as they don't pop up or have sound i'm fine with them and they also bring in revenue to the sites.
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Vatican City State431 Posts
Last time I checked IE had 60% marketshare...As for linux killing Windows I've heard this story for the last 20 years.
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Firefox ftw
I have tried google chrome, and it's a pretty nice browser, but I just don't see things that would make me switch from firefox. Firefox still has better features than chrome.
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How does someone educated enough to know "et al" not know the difference between the past participle and past simple of "sow"?
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United States4053 Posts
I'm INCREDIBLY surprised nobody's mentioned the advent of Internet Explorer 9 yet.
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/09/internet-explorer-9-beta-drops-its-lean-fast-and-modern/
Internet Explorer 9 is (I must admit, shockingly) a competitive browser. There are components, notably the up-and-coming <canvas> tag which IE9 loads far faster than even Firefox 4 Beta. IE9's page load speed outstrips Firefox as well, even though it doesn't quite touch Chrome. And Internet Explorer 9 actually conforms very well to web standards, from CSS3 to HTML5. I kinda wonder where the entire IE8 team went, considering the acceptability of this product.
If the Internet Explorer 9 final release is any bit as competitive as the beta, I don't envision it disappearing anytime.
EDIT: I still prefer Firefox, but at this point it's almost entirely due to the awesome addons.
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Opera all the way they invented most of the standard browser features like tabs, adblock, sessions. 
Imo the best browser that has been around for the last years.
![[image loading]](http://pictures.deadlycomputer.com/d/26490-2/firefox_vs_opera_vs_ie.JPG)
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I LOVE that Chrome synchronizes bookmarks (I have a ton of them) with my google account (oh noes my privacy) so I dont have to remake them every time I reinstall Windows.
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eh, no mention of IE9 in the OP whatsoever?
IE9 has got developers and reviewers drooling all over it from what I gather. While I agree that IE got worse and worse after v4, I'd be willing to say that Microsoft isn't on the decline anymore, and that they've been putting in a real effort to make a comeback recently.
Speaking of IE9, I DLed the IE9 beta and the thing seems pretty nice and quick, it's got HTML5 support and full hardware acceleration or something, and it ripped off Chrome and has a unified site and search bar as well. From what I have read, FF and chrome currently also have hardware acceleration but to a lesser degree than IE9 Beta, however some sites are reporting that FF and chrome will soon have full hardware acceleration implemented. From my brief experience with IE9 so far, I feel as if the entire design of IE has been changed with this version, it's all been simplified and given more of a minimalist styling; what IE9 is to previous versions of IE, is like what 7 is to vista to a certain extent.
What I really see in the next couple months is a battle of browser innovation between IE, FF and chrome that's gonna bring huge benefits to users.
On a slightly different but related topic:
I don't know why people are still thinking that Microsoft is complete shit, that's like 2005-2008/9 Microsoft when Vista/Zune was released as a giant fail, the IE versions were getting worse and worse, Apple was taking over the world, and Google was starting to diversify it's products and target markets.
However, I think things have changed recently. Apple's growth is faltering slightly; the iPhone 4 had more criticisms against it than other iterations of the phone, their new iPod lineup has had several complaints (the new Nano looks stupid and has fewer features than the previous generation, the iPod touch now literally an iPhone minus 3G and calling) not to mention Steve Jobs' health hasn't been the best recently. Google has been on a tear these last two years, trying to take over every corner of the interwebs with some other new service/product. Their best effort recently has got to be Android however; 2 years ago no one knew what Android was and then 3 months ago this mobile OS has already overtaken iOS in terms of usage. Same goes for Chrome, nobody really cared much for it when it first came out, then as people started noticing they began to really like it and made it their default browser. I think the stats that SonuvBob posted are pretty much in line with the general market trend; Chrome has been the only real gainer amongst all browsers as of late, with most users seemingly being pulled from IE. As for Microsoft, it's hard to say that Windows 7 wasn't a success, there is also high anticipation over the new mobile OS they're releasing soon (part of this anticipation is some kind of Xbox Live integration), and IE9 looks to me like they put in a real effort to regain browser market share.
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On September 18 2010 16:09 smileyyy wrote:Opera all the way they invented most of the standard browser features like tabs, adblock, sessions. Imo the best browser that has been around for the last years.
That's pretty much how I've always thought of FF (it's worth it with extensions but not without). Back before IE6 stopped working with stuff and accumulated twenty thousand security loopholes (I was fine with 10k), I used even that over FF, because bare bones, it was still faster than FF (until browsers started getting competitive about java loading times and shit). I switched to Opera when IE7 came out and it became really hard to uninstall it.
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Oddly enough, w3schools statistics show that as of August 2010 IE usage has dropped down to 30%
http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp
And for all you Opera/lightweight, fast and sleek browser fans: I'd like to introduce you to Midori.
http://www.twotoasts.de/index.php?/pages/midori_summary.html
Official listed features:
* Full integration with GTK+ 2
* Fast rendering with WebKit
* Tabs, windows and session management
* Flexibly configurable Web Search
* User scripts and user styles support
* Straightforward bookmark management
* Customizable and extensible interface
* Extension modules can be written in C
Midori passes the Acid3 test.
Among the latter features are:
* Internationalized domain names support
* Extensions
o Adblock
o Form history
o Mouse gestures
o Cookie management
* Maemo integration for mobile devices
* Speed Dial
* Feed Panel
There's a Windows version too. I'm currently using it as my 'other' browser since I can't really live without vimperator and video download helper for FF any more...
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Chrome. Especially when on my small laptop. Chrome's Tab's, Address Bar, and Bookmarks, doesn't take up half the screen like FF does. I like Chrome Tabs use separate process. When one tab crashes, it doesn't effect the rest of tabs.
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I also like Chrome, very clean and minimal.
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On September 18 2010 16:36 Shinshin wrote:
Chrome's Tab's, Address Bar, and Bookmarks, doesn't take up half the screen like FF does.
![[image loading]](http://img64.imageshack.us/img64/5063/51362410.jpg)
Say again? (that's my FF in the picture if you're confused)
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I use Safari in Mac OS X, and Chrome in Windows. All of these browser performance comparisons are all done in Windows... I'm a little interested to see what the numbers look like between Chrome and Safari on Safari's home turf.
One thing I love about Chrome is when you're closing tabs, the tabs don't resize until you move the mouse away from the tab bar. Makes closing a bunch of tabs really easy compared to other browsers.
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been using Opera since version 4, but I can see myself moving away from it. Ever since 10.5 Shacknews chatty has been broken and despite being pointed at the cause it hasn't been fixed. 10.5 also nerfed MDI and introduced weird corner cases with gestures. I'm still using 10.10, but that's getting increasingly old and if they can't get 10.70 fixed up I'll have to be out of there
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Firefox, mostly because it has this addon (https://addons.mozilla.org/de/firefox/addon/5890) which displays the tabs vertically on the left side of the window. i would never want to have it the other way again, so i have to wait until other browsers catch up and copy that feature
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I love me some firefox. Adblockplus is amazing.
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I heard only Girlie Men use IE8 and below.
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whats with the ie bashing ? its actually pretty lightweight and remarkably does not crash on me every few hrs. something that i could never get ff and chrome to not do. the only bad thing is that the download manager is prehistoric and accelerators are useless.
opera is by far the best browser i have ever used however some sites hate it ):
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
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dont know why but i love opera. ff is ok but i just never felt it was that much better then ie. i love opera so much i have yet to try chrome
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Hope Chrome wins this one, I just switched yesterday. On a side note, if anyone can point me to some good themes, that would be great.
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I like Chrome, but I'm already so used to FF and have it set up so nicely I'm too lazy to make any decision to switch.
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i use opera/chrome.
ie 9 looks cool but still in heavy dev and ff is a little bloated for me
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Safari on OSX (where I spend most of my time), Firefox4 on Windows. Although Chrome comes close to Safari, ever since Safari started supporting extensions there's a few I can't live without anymore  .
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chrome, firefox, I dont care, I use both at the same time. IE just has to go.
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Didnt netscape fail because IE was free and you had to pay for netscape?
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I'll stick to Firefox only because Chrome does not support RSS in their bookmarks.
Also Firefox 4 is as fast a Chrome ans has the same screen space.
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what is with the OP
netscape was never that great , take off those rose coloured glasses
the biggest shame of that whole era was the downfall of altavista , it's just a pathetic yahoo clone now
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Safari represent. I really like the new Opera but it kept dying for no reason, maybe the problem is in my TV but Safari has been pretty reliable so far.
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Chrome with IEtab all the way baby. Though im interested in trying out IE9 when it comes out. I used FF for years but it seems so slow compared to Chrome. Also the download window for FF annoys the crap out of me
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I use FF now, but 1-2 years ago before I defragmented my HD, I used Opera and was quite happy with it =(. After another defrag I'll prolly try Chrome and if I won't like that, I'll go back to Opera. FF seems to suck the juices out of my CPU + is very unstable. I don't take advantage of it's addons either.
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Isn't almost all the ways used based on page hits? Thus active online people generate more hits than inactive ones. Making the install basis totally different compared to the actual site hit figures?
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On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%
Awww, <3 Opera
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Why the heck are people still using Opera. They're just bugs ready to get smacked.
Anyhow, I use Mozilla Minefield 4 beta 7. It's pretty awesome and hopefully it'll bring Mozilla back into the game. If not then I hope IE9 does a great job.
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Catyoul
France2377 Posts
<3 Opera, most browser innovations come from them and I'm counting on them in the future as well. Been using tabbed browsing since 1997 or so (that might be older than some of our new members) !
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After seeing new FF beta I did make sure to have auto updates off, what is with this minimalistic GUI shit, would you remote with one button as well? I want fast access to my bookmarks links (seriously how can you browser without it? It would be like going back to not having tabs, and opening everything in diferent windows for me), and other options as well. I also like to have open tabs to not be at the of the screen but closer to where I have my mouse pointer. Tabs above other menus, wtf? So starved for height space? You should think about that before buying movie screen aspect ratio for PC.
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Chrome for life
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I've been using Opera for quite some time and don't plan on changing it.
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Opera user! it makes me feel different :D
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I honestly don't like Chrome that much, I using it only because I don't care to change back to Firefox. I'm only browsing TL anyway
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i would be using chrome but QL is not working in chrome so firefox FTW !
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I love chrome, but how do you Print Preview in it? -_-
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Using Chrome at the moment and I just switched from firefox 4 beta due to some bugs it had when I switched from video games to it while using grooveshark (the top bar got messed up and it was weird).
I've tried to use opera before but it just wasn't for me. scrolling on gmail felt so clunky that it was just arghhh >>
i want to run some chrome vs IE9 tests later though as they both load up pages pretty fast. impressive show from microsoft imo.
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ALLEYCAT BLUES49783 Posts
FireFox4lyf
seriously I only use Chrome to look at non-english websites due to auto translate.
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On September 18 2010 19:40 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
what is with the OP
netscape was never that great , take off those rose coloured glasses
the biggest shame of that whole era was the downfall of altavista , it's just a pathetic yahoo clone now
netscape at the time was more reliable than IE in its heydays.
netscape entered into the market before IE. microsoft tried to catchup fast so very little attention was paid to stability or security. around the time of IE 4, IE still freezes or crashes more often than netscape. from IE 5 onwards the difference became less obvious.
while IE 5 and 6 did not have the crashing/freezing problems it had with IE 4 prior, a new problem came. IE 5 and 6 by default automatically install tool bars or changes the program settings without the user knowing. so IE high jacking was exploited by many websites. porn sites being the most well known abusers of this problem.
so ya, IE was always plagued. furthermore, most worms and viruses abuse the holes left in the standard security setting on IE. so using IE 5/6 during those days was like having sex without a condom..
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On September 19 2010 02:26 dybydx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 19:40 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
what is with the OP
netscape was never that great , take off those rose coloured glasses
the biggest shame of that whole era was the downfall of altavista , it's just a pathetic yahoo clone now netscape at the time was more reliable than IE in its heydays. netscape entered into the market before IE. microsoft tried to catchup fast so very little attention was paid to stability or security. around the time of IE 4, IE still freezes or crashes more often than netscape. from IE 5 onwards the difference became less obvious. while IE 5 and 6 did not have the crashing/freezing problems it had with IE 4 prior, a new problem came. IE 5 and 6 by default automatically install tool bars or changes the program settings without the user knowing. so IE high jacking was exploited by many websites. porn sites being the most well known abusers of this problem. so ya, IE was always plagued. furthermore, most worms and viruses abuse the holes left in the standard security setting on IE. so using IE 5/6 during those days was like having sex without a condom..
If IE5/6 is like having sex without a condom then common sense surfing the web must have been like dating to see if the girl was disease ridden.
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I have used Chrome pretty much 100% of the time since it came out :>
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Opera and Firefox are my browsers. Opera the most frequent.
Opera has some compatibility issues with far more sites than Firefox does.. It's been happening less and less though.
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On September 18 2010 15:08 Madcatcf wrote:My beloved Opera... why you're always the least used browser
I love Opera, but Chrome is an incredibly close second. You can skip FF, imo.
On September 19 2010 02:26 dybydx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 19:40 iPlaY.NettleS wrote:
what is with the OP
netscape was never that great , take off those rose coloured glasses
the biggest shame of that whole era was the downfall of altavista , it's just a pathetic yahoo clone now netscape at the time was more reliable than IE in its heydays. netscape entered into the market before IE. microsoft tried to catchup fast so very little attention was paid to stability or security. around the time of IE 4, IE still freezes or crashes more often than netscape. from IE 5 onwards the difference became less obvious. while IE 5 and 6 did not have the crashing/freezing problems it had with IE 4 prior, a new problem came. IE 5 and 6 by default automatically install tool bars or changes the program settings without the user knowing. so IE high jacking was exploited by many websites. porn sites being the most well known abusers of this problem. so ya, IE was always plagued. furthermore, most worms and viruses abuse the holes left in the standard security setting on IE. so using IE 5/6 during those days was like having sex without a condom..
So you're saying IE 5/6 felt better, but were hazardous to your PC's health?
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Netscape is your granddaddy.
IE is your retarded cousin that you hung with when you were a socially awkward kid.
Safari is your retarded cousin's best friend.
Opera is your hot cousin that you've only seen once.
Firefox is the cool kid from high school that only hung with you because he felt sorry for you.
Chrome is the rich guy at the office that buys everyone a round on Friday nights.
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On September 18 2010 21:25 Polis wrote:
After seeing new FF beta I did make sure to have auto updates off, what is with this minimalistic GUI shit, would you remote with one button as well? I want fast access to my bookmarks links (seriously how can you browser without it? It would be like going back to not having tabs, and opening everything in diferent windows for me), and other options as well. I also like to have open tabs to not be at the of the screen but closer to where I have my mouse pointer. Tabs above other menus, wtf? So starved for height space? You should think about that before buying movie screen aspect ratio for PC.
I use Opera speed dial. I visit a limited number of sites (9 or less), so it works perfectly for me. Also, I can type at a decent speed, and unless the book mark is like 2 clicks, I can probably just type it faster. I pretty much never use my bookmarks unless it's an obscure site. Speed dial is seriously the best thing ever. New tab. Click. DONE.
On September 18 2010 20:14 Latham wrote:
I use FF now, but 1-2 years ago before I defragmented my HD, I used Opera and was quite happy with it =(. After another defrag I'll prolly try Chrome and if I won't like that, I'll go back to Opera. FF seems to suck the juices out of my CPU + is very unstable. I don't take advantage of it's addons either.
Chrome is really, really nice. I use it at work because I have to connect to some proxy with Opera, and I have no idea what the password or username is, and Chrome doesn't require that.
On September 18 2010 21:20 Catyoul wrote:
<3 Opera, most browser innovations come from them and I'm counting on them in the future as well. Been using tabbed browsing since 1997 or so (that might be older than some of our new members) !
Opera>All other browsers, imo. I haven't been tabbing windows since '97, more like '01... I tried Opera back then, and it had advertisements in it, so I dropped it, but it was fast as fuck. I was using Avant browser back then (which was just a skin for IE).
The toolbars in Chrome seem really limited. And I'm not one to download a bunch of extensions for a web browser. I just want it to not suck right out of the box. It's like buying a Honda and putting 30k into it to make it fast, or just buying a fast car to begin with for like 50k. I don't want to put the extra work into it.
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On September 18 2010 17:13 T0fuuu wrote:
whats with the ie bashing ? its actually pretty lightweight and remarkably does not crash on me every few hrs. something that i could never get ff and chrome to not do. the only bad thing is that the download manager is prehistoric and accelerators are useless.
opera is by far the best browser i have ever used however some sites hate it ):
Yeah, I dropped FF when 3 came out, because of constant crashes with flash issues. Not being one to DL extensions, I moved on to Opera.
On September 18 2010 15:38 Najda wrote:Chrome and Firefox for life! Chrome for general browsing while Firefox is my toolbox I also use Firefox for livestreams because adblocker plus owns hehe. I really like Chrome for it's fluidity, ease of use, and because the browser itself takes up so little room. The address bar on Chrome is just so awesome! I use it to do Google searches, when I wanna make a search on YouTube I just hit y-o-u-TAB then type what I want to search. I don't believe you can do that in any other browser I'm pretty sure Chrome and Firefox are the top used amongst people who actually know anything about computers (and thus look beyond the default browser). Do any of you know someone who uses IE over the other browsers based on preference?
Amazingly, yes. My dad uses it, and he is far from being computer illiterate.
On September 18 2010 16:09 smileyyy wrote:Opera all the way they invented most of the standard browser features like tabs, adblock, sessions. Imo the best browser that has been around for the last years.
Awesome pic. Agreed on Opera. I don't understand why more people don't use it. It's sleek, and fast. It has speed dial, which owns bookmarking things. There's nothing about the browser that doesn't reek of incredible.
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Opera is one for me, hardly ever touch IE unless compatibility issues crop up. Use Safari on my MacBook though (for obvious reasons).
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I started using Chrome early this year, and I've never looked back.
For compatibility issues, I just use IE.
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After trying most of the browsers im now using Opera for like few years. Its the best browser for sure
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On September 19 2010 05:04 SkelA wrote:
After trying most of the browsers im now using Opera for like few years. Its the best browser for sure
i would hardly call it the best, i would say it has the best customization and features out of the box. but vs a stable version of FF or chrome with proper add ons to fill in those features opera is the slowest and frankly the least compatible and least secure. the security part isn't much of an issue with it's low market share it's hardly a target.
I just use it due to built in mail client, password management i like and ability to redo the ui to my fitting.
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![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/ASz9W.jpg)
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On September 18 2010 15:30 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 15:24 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%
Chrome is growing pretty fast, or maybe just popular among the SC2 crowd. January (pre-beta) numbers:
Firefox: 57.43%
Internet Explorer: 17.29%
Chrome: 14.68%
Opera: 5.33%
Safari: 4.56% Man, what's with this opera->other stuff shift? Opera for life, baby. Though realistically I use Opera, Firefox, and Chrome, in order of decreasing frequency. It's not that people have switched browsers, just that there's so many more visitors now. Apparently SC2 players don't use Opera. I'm kinda surprised IE didn't go up, actually. :p
I use chrome cause on my old computer firefox took forever to start up and now im used to this.
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I am using this right now
Mozilla 1.4.3
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.3) Gecko/20040803
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does opera have adblock? i've never used it
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thedeadhaji
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I despise how tons of asian sites dont bother with compatibility other than IE
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On September 19 2010 05:44 thedeadhaji wrote:
I despise how tons of asian sites dont bother with compatibility other than IE
I only mind the lack of compatibility when they block every other browser except the browser it's suppose to be compatible with it. be it IE FF or chrome.
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Shouldn't only Browser specialists' opinions count? I mean none of us know anything about the way browsers work or what a webkit is.
None of us really know how fast one browser is as compared to another. I mean we can run speed tests, but the tests generally do strange things like put more emphasis on java than most pages would have.
Only experts would know if chrome slows down after accumulating lots of data about one's browsing.
Only experts know if speed is really the same or if the page rendering happens faster using the default settings of one browser than the default settings of another.
Yeah I don't think many of you chrome users can really say why chrome is better. You just think that it's cleaner and that it's faster. Why do you drink gatorade? "it's got electrolytes". What do electrolytes do "uhh... make lightning and stuff..."
Firefox has themes to make it as crisp as you like.
Firefox has advanced settings you can change in about:config. Some of them increase the frequency that a page will render, so it doesn't render only once the entire page has loaded.
If you are truly an advanced user you can make firefox significantly better. Can you do that with chrome?
Does chrome have addons as good as firefox?
Is any software that google buys always better than any other software?
Is chrome faster than firefox really or is it just your tests saying that when chrome is not runnning any addons and has it's history clear?
Chrome was significantly faster than firefox at loading java, that was it. I don't know if that's even true anymore.
http://www.conceivablytech.com/2784/products/mozilla-firefox-4-is-twice-as-fast-chrome-7/
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I used to use Firefox before Chrome came out, but I switched a few weeks after Chrome's release and haven't looked back since. I love the slick simple feel of chrome and it generally feels faster then what Firefox was. I didn't use addons like AdBlock etc, but they've been ported to Chrome now anyways so that's not really a negative.
I also love Chrome's new tab window, movable tabs, auto-translation, integrated search into the address bar, and heads-up download bar.
Anything > IE really though..
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On September 18 2010 22:04 NIIINO wrote:
i would be using chrome but QL is not working in chrome so firefox FTW !
QL has been working with chrome for awhile now
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I wish to lead the discussion to a more curious direction.
What browsers do your school use???
Poll: What browser(s) on your school's computer?Firefox + IE (18) 62% IE (9) 31% Chrome + IE (2) 7% Something else + IE (0) 0% 29 total votes Your vote: What browser(s) on your school's computer? (Vote): IE
(Vote): Firefox + IE
(Vote): Chrome + IE
(Vote): Something else + IE
At university of toronto it's Firefox and IE. At school I usually use IE though - mostly because school's FF does not have adblock and runs slower than IE.
At home I use FF or Chrome. I just saw on the other thread that Chrome may work for ubuntu... I will give it a try once I get home.
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On September 19 2010 06:09 illu wrote:I wish to lead the discussion to a more curious direction. What browsers do your school use???Poll: What browser(s) on your school's computer?Firefox + IE (18) 62% IE (9) 31% Chrome + IE (2) 7% Something else + IE (0) 0% 29 total votes Your vote: What browser(s) on your school's computer? (Vote): IE
(Vote): Firefox + IE
(Vote): Chrome + IE
(Vote): Something else + IE
At university of toronto it's Firefox and IE. At school I usually use IE though - mostly because school's FF does not have adblock and runs slower than IE. At home I use FF or Chrome. I just saw on the other thread that Chrome may work for ubuntu... I will give it a try once I get home.
The UofT has Firefox and Opera on the Linux computers. You don't have enough poll options.
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Why is Opera always in the "other" category? It's not like it's a bad/unpopular browser or something o_0
It's not as good as firefox, but it takes nowhere as much CPU power having 20 opera tabs open than it does for firefox.
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On September 19 2010 06:12 Hidden_MotiveS wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 06:09 illu wrote:I wish to lead the discussion to a more curious direction. What browsers do your school use???Poll: What browser(s) on your school's computer?Firefox + IE (18) 62% IE (9) 31% Chrome + IE (2) 7% Something else + IE (0) 0% 29 total votes Your vote: What browser(s) on your school's computer? (Vote): IE
(Vote): Firefox + IE
(Vote): Chrome + IE
(Vote): Something else + IE
At university of toronto it's Firefox and IE. At school I usually use IE though - mostly because school's FF does not have adblock and runs slower than IE. At home I use FF or Chrome. I just saw on the other thread that Chrome may work for ubuntu... I will give it a try once I get home. The UofT has Firefox and Opera on the Linux computers. You don't have enough poll options.
Damn it. I have never used the Linux computers before.
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Firefox is horrible.
Chrome is decent.
IE9 > *
Stop judging IE by its older version, and get IE9. It's basically the only browser that's GPU accelerated; it is the future.
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I've always used Firefox, and used chrome for a few weeks about a year ago, but I couldn't make the switch.
Most of my friends (and people online/in this thread) use chrome, and even if it does look smoother, Firefox just seems like what the internet should look like. Anything else and it's like I have entered this weird new world, not the soft, cuddly one that I'm used to.
edit: Dragoon!
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the young kill out the new, when i first god internet IE was the way to go, now i look at it and laugh while using either FF or chrome
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While people are discussing stuff and having mostly subjective arguments, I'd just like to point out that whatever anyone says about what's better, the truth is that these days we have bunch of fucking GREAT browsers.
Just remember how pathetic browsing was with IE6 and compare it with how modern browsers feel like. Competition did it's job and it's only gonna get better for users and developers.
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Ie is ust being used a lot as the default for people buying computers and don't know anything about it. For example my dad who doesn't know anything about computers. He just looks for the word internet when he wants to use the internet....then doesn't know what a web address is and just types a search and clicking a random link. I'm glad I don't share a computer with my parents anymore.....although maintenance is common....
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Opera 9 is the only browser that's fast enough for my old ass computer.
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On September 19 2010 07:04 niteReloaded wrote:
While people are discussing stuff and having mostly subjective arguments, I'd just like to point out that whatever anyone says about what's better, the truth is that these days we have bunch of fucking GREAT browsers.
Just remember how pathetic browsing was with IE6 and compare it with how modern browsers feel like. Competition did it's job and it's only gonna get better for users and developers.
At work, IE6 is the only browser compatible with the program we use for documentation. It is absolutely atrocious.
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I been using Firefox for a long time..
FIREFOX FOREVER! Their Adblock and NoScript is awesome!
I like Chrome's look though.
FIREFOXXxxxxxxxx Let's GO! Dominate all other browsers.
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I mainly use Chrome now, since gmail seems to lag least with it...
If I need to log into 3 different accounts on the same thing, Chrome -> Opera -> FF
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damn I just tried IE9, it's sweeeeet!
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Bout time gay IE falls. GOOO CHROMEEE!@!!!!
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Firefox > All.
It's kind of like an Iphone - there is an add-on for that (and when there isn't there is a grease monkey script).
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Browser usage from Net Applications:
![[image loading]](http://www.idg.se/polopoly_fs/1.337169!imageManager/443985192.jpg)
IE: 60,4%
FF: 22.9%
Chrome: 7.5%
Safari: 5.2%
Opera: 2.4%
I work as a CIO, and I really don't like google chrome. Why? Well, as a developer and project manager, having to worry about yet another poorly made webkit browser isn't exactly thrilling(yes I'm looking at you too, Safari).
For every browser that goes above the 5% mark in usage on the internet, you of course have to make sure that the page you are making works in it or you could be losing potential clients. It goes without saying that developing for IE(various versions) + FF + Safari is less time consuming than the same + chrome, which adds absolutely nothing new that the other browser didn't already have built-in or available as plugins.
Yes, webkit-based browsers are by far the most HTML5 compatible, but that is a a markup that is not widely used and only on nifty pages that have no financial value(read: cool pages that demonstrate cool stuff and nothing more). And they also behave differently on mac OS, which doesn't make it better either.
The reality is that IE6 is still by far the most used browser because a lot of companies and governments use it. And as awesome as IE9 looks, it will take up untill IE 11 or so before the majority of IE users alone are on 9+, unless some massive global event causes companies and governments to suddenly replace their whole net infrastructure, which is about as likely as 8 days in a week.
From a business standpoint, the less browsers, the better. Having 2-3 popular browsers is manageable, but when these browsers like google chrome start popping up it starts to eat into your budget as a web developer.
In personal preference, I use Firefox. Of course I "use" all other browsers at work, because I have to, but to me FF is the most compatible browser with the most customization options and reliability.
p.s: never quote wikipedia as a source..
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IE9 also does not work with XP which the vast majority of those computer are, and even if those companies moved up to vista or to 7 i have a feeling they would just use the default which depending on the age of the vista is IE7 and for windows 7 is IE8
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Can anybody explain to me what "GPU Acceleration" does for a browser?
I can only think of H264 decoding with HTML5...
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On September 19 2010 08:07 semantics wrote:
IE9 also does not work with XP which the vast majority of those computer are, and even if those companies moved up to vista or to 7 i have a feeling they would just use the default which depending on the age of the vista is IE7 and for windows 7 is IE8
You are absolutely correct.
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Vista and 7 are generally only used by a few companies and people at home.
A lot of people that don't actually work with IT don't realize how slow this process is, mainly because of advertising I would guess.
What most people need to understand is that switching from XP to either vista or win 7(or IE6 to any other IE) is in the majority of companies a extremely time-consuming undertaking with costs up to several million euros and very high risks. Why change something that works, and when they do, do you really think they're gonna take a non-IE browser on a microsoft platform? Never gonna happen.
Because of that, the whole "browser wars" logic is just not right. No browser will come close to IE as long as the financial world depends on microsoft to run their computers, and I can't see that changing this century.
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On September 19 2010 08:22 Nihilnovi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 08:07 semantics wrote:
IE9 also does not work with XP which the vast majority of those computers are, and even if those companies moved up to vista or to 7 I have a feeling they would just use the default which depending on the age of the vista is IE7 and for windows 7 is IE8 Vista and 7 are generally only used by a few companies and people at home. A lot of people that don't actually work with IT don't realize how slow this process is, mainly because of advertising I would guess. What most people need to understand is that switching from XP to either vista or win 7(or IE6 to any other IE) is in the majority of companies an extremely time-consuming undertaking with costs up to several million euros and very high risks. Why change something that works, and when they do, do you really think they're going to take a non-IE browser on a Microsoft platform? Never going to happen. Because of that, the whole "browser wars" logic is just not right. No browser will come close to IE as long as the financial world depends on Microsoft to run their computers, and I can't see that happening this century.
Isn't that why opera sued Microsoft to force them in the EU to make the EU people choose which browser they want installed on their copy of windows which I found was a ludicrous lawsuit. Which most people would just keep hitting next anyways and depending on the company might not even change due to things developed for IE that they aren't going to change.
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what's wrong with active x it allows people to program things is more languages then just making a java applet, and it's about as secure it's just a matter of how bad the end user is at clicking yes/ok to suspicious things. ofc i only have basic understanding of their shit so someone else can fill you in but that's my understanding. ofc activex down side is it's a windows only i believe.
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On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%
Chrome is growing pretty fast, or maybe just popular among the SC2 crowd. January (pre-beta) numbers:
Firefox: 57.43%
Internet Explorer: 17.29%
Chrome: 14.68%
Opera: 5.33%
Safari: 4.56%
People on TL know about computers so most of them hate IE and use FF/Chrome. I use chrome atm but FF is better for big downloads.
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On September 19 2010 07:59 Nihilnovi wrote:Browser usage from Net Applications: IE: 60,4% FF: 22.9% Chrome: 7.5% Safari: 5.2% Opera: 2.4% I work as a CIO, and I really don't like google chrome. Why? Well, as a developer and project manager, having to worry about yet another poorly made webkit browser isn't exactly thrilling(yes I'm looking at you too, Safari). For every browser that goes above the 5% mark in usage on the internet, you of course have to make sure that the page you are making works in it or you could be losing potential clients. It goes without saying that developing for IE(various versions) + FF + Safari is less time consuming than the same + chrome, which adds absolutely nothing new that the other browser didn't already have built-in or available as plugins. Yes, webkit-based browsers are by far the most HTML5 compatible, but that is a a markup that is not widely used and only on nifty pages that have no financial value(read: cool pages that demonstrate cool stuff and nothing more). And they also behave differently on mac OS, which doesn't make it better either. The reality is that IE6 is still by far the most used browser because a lot of companies and governments use it. And as awesome as IE9 looks, it will take up untill IE 11 or so before the majority of IE users alone are on 9+, unless some massive global event causes companies and governments to suddenly replace their whole net infrastructure, which is about as likely as 8 days in a week. From a business standpoint, the less browsers, the better. Having 2-3 popular browsers is manageable, but when these browsers like google chrome start popping up it starts to eat into your budget as a web developer. In personal preference, I use Firefox. Of course I "use" all other browsers at work, because I have to, but to me FF is the most compatible browser with the most customization options and reliability. p.s: never quote wikipedia as a source..
Wait, so Chrome = worst for web developers because there are underlying issues about Chrome that make it more complicated to develop for? Are these issues difficult because it is "new"? Or not the "standard"? Or they just simply more complicated, which contributes to being more time-consuming?
NOOOOO google needs to look at this so chrome can takeover the world T_T
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On September 19 2010 07:48 tru_power22 wrote:
Firefox > All.
It's kind of like an Iphone - there is an add-on for that (and when there isn't there is a grease monkey script).
no
it is good.
not that moneyhungry gadget fashion tool.
firefox works. it is more like a custom made car that you can design, tune and enhance yourself.
a custom design car... just, for free. period.
don't call for the i word again. it is insulting.
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On September 19 2010 09:14 ccdnl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 07:59 Nihilnovi wrote:Browser usage from Net Applications: IE: 60,4% FF: 22.9% Chrome: 7.5% Safari: 5.2% Opera: 2.4% I work as a CIO, and I really don't like google chrome. Why? Well, as a developer and project manager, having to worry about yet another poorly made webkit browser isn't exactly thrilling(yes I'm looking at you too, Safari). For every browser that goes above the 5% mark in usage on the internet, you of course have to make sure that the page you are making works in it or you could be losing potential clients. It goes without saying that developing for IE(various versions) + FF + Safari is less time consuming than the same + chrome, which adds absolutely nothing new that the other browser didn't already have built-in or available as plugins. Yes, webkit-based browsers are by far the most HTML5 compatible, but that is a a markup that is not widely used and only on nifty pages that have no financial value(read: cool pages that demonstrate cool stuff and nothing more). And they also behave differently on mac OS, which doesn't make it better either. The reality is that IE6 is still by far the most used browser because a lot of companies and governments use it. And as awesome as IE9 looks, it will take up untill IE 11 or so before the majority of IE users alone are on 9+, unless some massive global event causes companies and governments to suddenly replace their whole net infrastructure, which is about as likely as 8 days in a week. From a business standpoint, the less browsers, the better. Having 2-3 popular browsers is manageable, but when these browsers like google chrome start popping up it starts to eat into your budget as a web developer. In personal preference, I use Firefox. Of course I "use" all other browsers at work, because I have to, but to me FF is the most compatible browser with the most customization options and reliability. p.s: never quote wikipedia as a source.. Wait, so Chrome = worst for web developers because there are underlying issues about Chrome that make it more complicated to develop for? Are these issues difficult because it is "new"? Or not the "standard"? Or they just simply more complicated, which contributes to being more time-consuming? NOOOOO google needs to look at this so chrome can takeover the world T_T
From what I read, he is complaining because Chrome is making him do more work.
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On September 19 2010 09:24 VabuDeltaKaiser wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 07:48 tru_power22 wrote:
Firefox > All.
It's kind of like an Iphone - there is an add-on for that (and when there isn't there is a grease monkey script). no it is good. not that moneyhungry gadget fashion tool. firefox works. it is more like a custom made car that you can design, tune and enhance yourself. a custom design car... just, for free. period. don't call for the i word again. it is insulting.
LOL. i woul dhave to agree with our man from germany here. but...ive hopped over to chrome ever since beta phase. so...DOWN WITH IE!!!!
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I'm good with firefox. I use plenty of google's stuff already.
I should check out opera, but aside from that I'm good. I don't like apple's bloatapps, no safari for me.
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IE awww, memories <3. I can remember what were the first things I did with my new laptop with IE8...
+ Show Spoiler +1- download firefox I use chrome now though
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I used IE back when I was a huge noob... I distinctly remember using IE5, but I might've used earlier IEs before that. Switched to Firefox and have never switched to anything else. I still have Chrome installed, but I rarely use it.
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On September 18 2010 15:24 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%
Chrome is growing pretty fast, or maybe just popular among the SC2 crowd. January (pre-beta) numbers:
Firefox: 57.43%
Internet Explorer: 17.29%
Chrome: 14.68%
Opera: 5.33%
Safari: 4.56% Man, what's with this opera->other stuff shift? Opera for life, baby. Though realistically I use Opera, Firefox, and Chrome, in order of decreasing frequency.
I think you answered your own question. People who use Opera still keep around the other browsers for niche use, but as far as I know, most people who primarily use Firefox or Chrome don't keep Opera around for that kind of use.
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On September 19 2010 07:59 Nihilnovi wrote:Browser usage from Net Applications: IE: 60,4% FF: 22.9% Chrome: 7.5% Safari: 5.2% Opera: 2.4% I work as a CIO, and I really don't like google chrome. Why? Well, as a developer and project manager, having to worry about yet another poorly made webkit browser isn't exactly thrilling(yes I'm looking at you too, Safari). For every browser that goes above the 5% mark in usage on the internet, you of course have to make sure that the page you are making works in it or you could be losing potential clients. It goes without saying that developing for IE(various versions) + FF + Safari is less time consuming than the same + chrome, which adds absolutely nothing new that the other browser didn't already have built-in or available as plugins. Yes, webkit-based browsers are by far the most HTML5 compatible, but that is a a markup that is not widely used and only on nifty pages that have no financial value(read: cool pages that demonstrate cool stuff and nothing more). And they also behave differently on mac OS, which doesn't make it better either. The reality is that IE6 is still by far the most used browser because a lot of companies and governments use it. And as awesome as IE9 looks, it will take up untill IE 11 or so before the majority of IE users alone are on 9+, unless some massive global event causes companies and governments to suddenly replace their whole net infrastructure, which is about as likely as 8 days in a week. From a business standpoint, the less browsers, the better. Having 2-3 popular browsers is manageable, but when these browsers like google chrome start popping up it starts to eat into your budget as a web developer. In personal preference, I use Firefox. Of course I "use" all other browsers at work, because I have to, but to me FF is the most compatible browser with the most customization options and reliability. p.s: never quote wikipedia as a source..
Lol, wikipedia has been proven to be more accurate than the Encylcopedia. Oh, and chrome brings nothing to the table? What about speed?
Chrome is faster and more secure than FF.
You might hate it, but chrome is gonna take over, its just too robust and fast.
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i dislike google for privacy issues.
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I like to keep things separated. I use Chrome for daily browsing, FF for streams and Opera for porn.
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Opera fan here. Started using it a while ago and I have a hard time using anything else since. I have showed it to a couple people and they like speed dial and the trash can to reopen pages you have recently closed. http://www.opera.com/browser/
Main thing about opera I love and the thing that made my friends switch is mouse gestures. If you try opera you have to give mouse gestures a try. I can browse a bunch of tabs extremely fast with barely having to move my mouse around at all.
http://www.opera.com/browser/tutorials/gestures/
Never had to install a single addon or extension with opera, it has great features from the start. Can't remember ever seeing any pop ups either.
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Or just get a mouse with a ton of buttons like mine, and all those things like scrolling back and forward is all on the mouse. There are already shortcuts to things like change tab or zoom lol. I don't use mouse gestures i use my mouse mostly and when im on my keyboard i heavily use short cuts
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I have *all* browsers installed on my computer since I work as a web designer (got to look out for browser incompatibilities, browser-specific quirks and such). My browser of choice for typical use is Opera, and it's been so for five years. It does everything I need, in my opinion its e-mail client and organizer is unmatched, and mouse gestures is built in. From what I can remember, it was also the fastest browser in java tests, but I'm not too up date on that.
I, have an 11-button mouse, so, Semantics, gestures still greatly help me. I don't actually use any of the special mouse buttons for browser use, since gestures already do those for me. Why waste button real estate that's restricted to my browser? I use my buttons for cut/copy/paste, magnify, undo/redo, alt+f4, alt+tab, etc.
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On September 19 2010 13:58 newvsoldschool wrote:
I have *all* browsers installed on my computer since I work as a web designer (got to look out for browser incompatibilities, browser-specific quirks and such). My browser of choice for typical use is Opera, and it's been so for five years. It does everything I need, in my opinion its e-mail client and organizer is unmatched, and mouse gestures is built in. From what I can remember, it was also the fastest browser in java tests, but I'm not too up date on that.
I, have an 11-button mouse, so, Semantics, gestures still greatly help me. I don't actually use any of the special mouse buttons for browser use, since gestures already do those for me. Why waste button real estate that's restricted to my browser? I use my buttons for cut/copy/paste, magnify, undo/redo, alt+f4, alt+tab, etc.
I went the opposite rout and decided to map the buttons to opera. To each his own i suppose, although i did like using gestures for quite some time when i used a track ball heavily. I program specific profiles for my mouse so i did map alt tab but it cut down on my need for other things. I still have copy paste in opera, it's just left click + forward or back depending what i want to do. undo redo is just the same but with right click
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Someone needs to make the equivalent of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=910fLzws7Jo) for the browser wars.
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On September 19 2010 10:39 Rakanishu2 wrote:
Lol, wikipedia has been proven to be more accurate than the Encylcopedia. Oh, and chrome brings nothing to the table? What about speed?
Chrome is faster and more secure than FF.
You might hate it, but chrome is gonna take over, its just too robust and fast.
An online article, which anyone can edit at any time, is hardly accurate. I'm not gonna start a debate regarding using wikipedia as a source, since that doesn't belong in this topic.
I don't understand your "speed" argument. I see absolutely no difference in loading speeds among the other browsers, sure, when put under severe load in testing conditions then you might actually note a minimal difference between the loading times, but unless you are doing compiler research on the different browser engines you can't tell the difference when browsing the web.
The browser companies love to throw numbers around, "google chrome is 60% faster than any other web browser" - Yeah, sure. The other browsers may load the scripts and markups slower - but to you - the end user, the difference can not be seen or felt. We are talking of speeds under 100 milliseconds of difference.
Chrome is not going to take over, there is no chance for it to compete with IE due to the reasons I pointed out in my previous post(s). I'm not saying it's a bad browser per se, I'm saying it was not needed on the market, and it's shares aren't increasing either.
And if you really want speed, then Opera is the fastest browser, by far.
When it comes to security, the browser itself is only one layer. You are hardly safe because you use X browser. Your current windows updates play a huge part, if you are on xp vista or 7 plays a huge part, if you are using some sort of script-blocking plugin plays a huge part. If you are using firefox or chrome makes the absolute smallest of difference and swings either way. There will always be exploits for every browser, and chromes sandbox model is not going to have an advantage forever - it's just the first browser that was made this way.
You think that chrome is "safer" than IE? It's the same argument that macs are safer than pc's, in short, they are not.
Assume for a minute that you are a cracker. You of course want to get credit card information and other personal information from a users computers. You know these facts:
95% of the worlds computers are PC's.
60% of the these use IE.
For which browser and system do you construct your virus/trojan/worm ?
The security "quality" in chrome is hardly better than in any other browser. It just has security through obscurity - it's so rarely used on the web that it just doesn't pay to crack it. On the other hand, if a cracker is sitting on a huge chrome exploit and just waiting for people to switch to it then taking advantage of it , all hell breaks lose.
In the end, the biggest security threat is YOU. Having common sense on the internet is enough to be safe, regardless of browser.
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i'd love to see the numbers excluding large corporations
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I only use Google Chrome. I used to use FireFox until 2 years ago when Chrome came out and its start up speed was amazing. I tried Opera this year but i don't like how it doesn't have any useful addons. I don't need as much as FireFox, but need some at least. Plus, i don't like the bookmark system in Opera. I also love the tab system of Chrome.
The privacy issues aren't really an issue for me because i have nothing to hide. I also think Chrome has potential because it already has a huge market in the browser war and Google is the biggest corporation with the greatest amount of revenue in their pockets, which probably indicates huge potential from Chrome.
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On September 20 2010 00:21 Nihilnovi wrote:
The browser companies love to throw numbers around, "google chrome is 60% faster than any other web browser" - Yeah, sure. The other browsers may load the scripts and markups slower - but to you - the end user, the difference can not be seen or felt. We are talking of speeds under 100 milliseconds of difference.
Also there is no need for different compilers cause who cares if "hello world", compiled with gcc, is executed 1ms faster than compiled with msvc.
Of course that is absurd. The more complex the code is the bigger the performance margin gets generated by different compilers
On September 20 2010 00:21 Nihilnovi wrote:
Chrome is not going to take over, there is no chance for it to compete with IE due to the reasons I pointed out in my previous post(s). I'm not saying it's a bad browser per se, I'm saying it was not needed on the market, and it's shares aren't increasing either.
your "reasons" that keep systems with old/stock software are just bad infrastructure by corps/govs and lazy IT staff.
The good thing is that as we move on both will have to be fixed cause new technologies and standards are incorporated faster and faster both in browsers and by web developers (im talking about the serious developers, not the lazy guys who wouldnt mind to still develop static pages on geocities
On September 20 2010 00:21 Nihilnovi wrote:
When it comes to security, the browser itself is only one layer. You are hardly safe because you use X browser. Your current windows updates play a huge part, if you are on xp vista or 7 plays a huge part, if you are using some sort of script-blocking plugin plays a huge part. If you are using firefox or chrome makes the absolute smallest of difference and swings either way. There will always be exploits for every browser, and chromes sandbox model is not going to have an advantage forever - it's just the first browser that was made this way.
Browsers might be another layer but a layer big enough to be very complex. Also big amount of people have almost constantly a browser open from the time OS boots up until shutdown so the truth is that browser's security is really important.
Yes there will be bugs for all programs, the thing is that chrome's code is open (at least most of it), webkit is open and a huge amount of people from many companies, projects or individuals collaborate and contribute so the whole code review is in a much higher level.
On September 20 2010 00:21 Nihilnovi wrote:
You think that chrome is "safer" than IE? It's the same argument that macs are safer than pc's, in short, they are not.
fix "macos is safer than windows" and yes that is in general correct.
On September 20 2010 00:21 Nihilnovi wrote:
Assume for a minute that you are a cracker. You of course want to get credit card information and other personal information from a users computers. You know these facts:
95% of the worlds computers are PC's.
60% of the these use IE.
For which browser and system do you construct your virus/trojan/worm ?
But of course for the browser and system that is easier to bypass and that's almost always Windows systems and IE
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On September 20 2010 05:13 accela wrote:
Also there is no need for different compilers cause who cares if "hello world", compiled with gcc, is executed 1ms faster than compiled with msvc.
Of course that is absurd. The more complex the code is the bigger the performance margin gets generated by different compilers
This is in no way related to what I pointed out in my post or what has been said in this thread. Of course as a developer you strive for even the smallest increases in performance - if you read my post again carefully maybe you'll understand my point.
On September 20 2010 05:13 accela wrote:your "reasons" that keep systems with old/stock software are just bad infrastructure by corps/govs and lazy IT staff. The good thing is that as we move on both will have to be fixed cause new technologies and standards are incorporated faster and faster both in browsers and by web developers (im talking about the serious developers, not the lazy guys who wouldnt mind to still develop static pages on geocities
I highly doubt this will happen anytime soon. It has nothing to do with "lazy staff", it has to do with the people controlling the money not wanting to spend millions on changing something that is working perfectly fine. From a business standpoint, it makes no sense.
Standards are hardly being set fast either, the last HTML version to be set as standard was HTML 4 back in 1999, since then, nothing has changed.
A experimental working draft was made in 2008 (HTML 5). It will take several years before this is set a standard. A Candidate Recommendation is set for 2012 and a release for 2022 as a academic date.
In a quote from W3C why it takes so long:
For a spec to become a REC today, it requires two 100% complete and fully interoperable implementations, which is proven by each successfully passing literally thousands of test cases (20,000 tests for the whole spec would probably be a conservative estimate). When you consider how long it takes to write that many test cases and how long it takes to implement each feature, you’ll begin to understand why the time frame seems so long.
On September 20 2010 05:13 accela wrote:
Browsers might be another layer but a layer big enough to be very complex. Also big amount of people have almost constantly a browser open from the time OS boots up until shutdown so the truth is that browser's security is really important.
Yes there will be bugs for all programs, the thing is that chrome's code is open (at least most of it), webkit is open and a huge amount of people from many companies, projects or individuals collaborate and contribute so the whole code review is in a much higher level.
That really is highly irrelevant. There is no such thing as a safe browser, and there never will be. At the same time you talk about webkit when safari is the easiest browser to exploit, iirc for 3 years running now it's been the first to fall in p2o. Not even going to mention it's the same case for mac os and iPhone. Major newsflash: apple products are not any safer than ms products. *GASP* Only real amazing thing apple has is their marketing. Even my moms dumbass boyfriend that knows nothing about computers is an apple fanboy.
On September 20 2010 05:13 accela wrote:
But of course for the browser and system that is easier to bypass and that's almost always Windows systems and IE
Easier for who, the top 1% of hackers and crackers worldwide? I can't see how this has any effect on the average internet user. Afaik all the gurus at hfnet have no trouble in getting into any pc/mac system. Every public OS is possible to "bypass" - but in the end you have more people getting infected that use Windows,because(oh snap!) there are 20 times more windows users than all other OS's combined! I can bet all my money and shoes that if it was the other way around, say mac users were in 95% majority, you would be saying that safari and mac os is easier to bypass. Just like everyone else.
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I switched from IE to Firefox a long time ago. I prefer Firefox at work since we have older versions of both.
I think the newer version of IE is much better than Firefox, though. For one thing, Firefox has huge memory leaks. Leaving it open for just a day, it starts using up more memory than World of Warcraft and around twice that of SC2 easily.
Lately, Firefox also messes up cookies for certain sites. I can't check my Yahoo mail or change my Google advanced preferences without deleting the cookies for those sites every single time I open up Firefox. That means I need to delete those cookies whenever I restart my computer or restart Firefox. The private browsing for IE is also better since I can have both a private window and a non-private one open at the same time.
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On September 19 2010 07:59 Nihilnovi wrote:Browser usage from Net Applications: IE: 60,4% FF: 22.9% Chrome: 7.5% Safari: 5.2% Opera: 2.4% I work as a CIO, and I really don't like google chrome. Why? Well, as a developer and project manager, having to worry about yet another poorly made webkit browser isn't exactly thrilling(yes I'm looking at you too, Safari). For every browser that goes above the 5% mark in usage on the internet, you of course have to make sure that the page you are making works in it or you could be losing potential clients. It goes without saying that developing for IE(various versions) + FF + Safari is less time consuming than the same + chrome, which adds absolutely nothing new that the other browser didn't already have built-in or available as plugins. Yes, webkit-based browsers are by far the most HTML5 compatible, but that is a a markup that is not widely used and only on nifty pages that have no financial value(read: cool pages that demonstrate cool stuff and nothing more). And they also behave differently on mac OS, which doesn't make it better either. The reality is that IE6 is still by far the most used browser because a lot of companies and governments use it. And as awesome as IE9 looks, it will take up untill IE 11 or so before the majority of IE users alone are on 9+, unless some massive global event causes companies and governments to suddenly replace their whole net infrastructure, which is about as likely as 8 days in a week. From a business standpoint, the less browsers, the better. Having 2-3 popular browsers is manageable, but when these browsers like google chrome start popping up it starts to eat into your budget as a web developer. In personal preference, I use Firefox. Of course I "use" all other browsers at work, because I have to, but to me FF is the most compatible browser with the most customization options and reliability. p.s: never quote wikipedia as a source..
Im in my fourth year of web designing. And IE 6 gives me just about twice as much workload as any other browser in existance.
Chrome and Firefox are pretty much mutaly exchangeable. If the differences are there it isn't that hard to make up for those differences. Compare that with trying to design for Firefox 3 vs IE 6 . Its like making an mp3 player compatible with deaf people.
I use Chrome for reasons that it was faster than firefox when it came out, and I sticked to it because I never saw a reason to switch. If there was any browser I could put on a stake, burn it to a crisp and throw it down a cliff next to the segway guy, its IE.
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On September 30 2010 06:38 Chaosvuistje wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 07:59 Nihilnovi wrote:Browser usage from Net Applications: IE: 60,4% FF: 22.9% Chrome: 7.5% Safari: 5.2% Opera: 2.4% I work as a CIO, and I really don't like google chrome. Why? Well, as a developer and project manager, having to worry about yet another poorly made webkit browser isn't exactly thrilling(yes I'm looking at you too, Safari). For every browser that goes above the 5% mark in usage on the internet, you of course have to make sure that the page you are making works in it or you could be losing potential clients. It goes without saying that developing for IE(various versions) + FF + Safari is less time consuming than the same + chrome, which adds absolutely nothing new that the other browser didn't already have built-in or available as plugins. Yes, webkit-based browsers are by far the most HTML5 compatible, but that is a a markup that is not widely used and only on nifty pages that have no financial value(read: cool pages that demonstrate cool stuff and nothing more). And they also behave differently on mac OS, which doesn't make it better either. The reality is that IE6 is still by far the most used browser because a lot of companies and governments use it. And as awesome as IE9 looks, it will take up untill IE 11 or so before the majority of IE users alone are on 9+, unless some massive global event causes companies and governments to suddenly replace their whole net infrastructure, which is about as likely as 8 days in a week. From a business standpoint, the less browsers, the better. Having 2-3 popular browsers is manageable, but when these browsers like google chrome start popping up it starts to eat into your budget as a web developer. In personal preference, I use Firefox. Of course I "use" all other browsers at work, because I have to, but to me FF is the most compatible browser with the most customization options and reliability. p.s: never quote wikipedia as a source.. Im in my fourth year of web designing. And IE 6 gives me just about twice as much workload as any other browser in existance. Chrome and Firefox are pretty much mutaly exchangeable. If the differences are there it isn't that hard to make up for those differences. Compare that with trying to design for Firefox 3 vs IE 6 . Its like making an mp3 player compatible with deaf people. I use Chrome for reasons that it was faster than firefox when it came out, and I sticked to it because I never saw a reason to switch. If there was any browser I could put on a stake, burn it to a crisp and throw it down a cliff next to the segway guy, its IE.
Can we throw Steve Jobs and Jack Thompson off the cliff too? I don't wanna just randomly hate on Apple, but I'm getting really tired of the iCult thing. In my opinion, he's one of history's greatest monsters. Jack Thompson speaks for himself.
On a side note, I use FF, Opera and Chrome, in that order.
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Chrome, only because of the auto spell correct
Firefox because of the app's (youtube mp3 download)
Opera for its sexiness
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Whoa whoa whoa, no way more than 50% of people use IE. I don't think I personally know anybody who uses IE, friends, family etc.
Also I use mainly Chrome and sometimes Firefox (some of my school's stuff only works properly in Firefox but not Chrome.
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On September 20 2010 00:21 Nihilnovi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2010 10:39 Rakanishu2 wrote:
Lol, wikipedia has been proven to be more accurate than the Encylcopedia. Oh, and chrome brings nothing to the table? What about speed?
Chrome is faster and more secure than FF.
You might hate it, but chrome is gonna take over, its just too robust and fast.
You think that chrome is "safer" than IE? It's the same argument that macs are safer than pc's, in short, they are not. Assume for a minute that you are a cracker. You of course want to get credit card information and other personal information from a users computers. You know these facts: 95% of the worlds computers are PC's. 60% of the these use IE. For which browser and system do you construct your virus/trojan/worm ?
Just addressing, this security argument...
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Google-Chrome-Proves-Un-Hackable-in-Pwn2Own-Competition-138672.shtml
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sandboxing is just an added layer of security. It doesn't mean invulnerable it just requires 2 hacks instead of 1. In general it's still a good practice as again it will at min require 2 hacks instead of 1.
Also IE's security vastly ranges depending on the security settings on the OS and which OS is used. I doubt chrome is seriously good enough to avoid pwn2own contest for too long as it is gaining trackson people will start looking at it harder. Also the range of os's doesn't really include mac security.
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On September 30 2010 07:40 FragKrag wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2010 00:21 Nihilnovi wrote:On September 19 2010 10:39 Rakanishu2 wrote:
Lol, wikipedia has been proven to be more accurate than the Encylcopedia. Oh, and chrome brings nothing to the table? What about speed?
Chrome is faster and more secure than FF.
You might hate it, but chrome is gonna take over, its just too robust and fast.
You think that chrome is "safer" than IE? It's the same argument that macs are safer than pc's, in short, they are not. Assume for a minute that you are a cracker. You of course want to get credit card information and other personal information from a users computers. You know these facts: 95% of the worlds computers are PC's. 60% of the these use IE. For which browser and system do you construct your virus/trojan/worm ? Just addressing, this security argument... http://news.softpedia.com/news/Google-Chrome-Proves-Un-Hackable-in-Pwn2Own-Competition-138672.shtml
Beat me to it.
Uh oh someone actually brought evidence into the argument, who's betting we don't hear from the other party again?
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Nobody is going to try doing what Microsoft did, no one even has the power or control to do it. And even if they did, they'd get sued so hard.
There won't be annother "browser war", unless you want to slap this term onto anything because you like how it sounds.
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The article says Chrome was patched right before the competition, so no one even took a shot at it. It doesn't make for a fair point.
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On September 18 2010 15:24 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:
Man, what's with this opera->other stuff shift? Opera for life, baby. Though realistically I use Opera, Firefox, and Chrome, in order of decreasing frequency.
For me, it's because Opera doesn't let me use it anymore. One day it just startet claiming that another copy was already running for a different user - and wouldn't let me start it. Has been so ever since, and it doesn't even make sense as I have only one profile.
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On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%
Chrome is growing pretty fast, or maybe just popular among the SC2 crowd. January (pre-beta) numbers:
Firefox: 57.43%
Internet Explorer: 17.29%
Chrome: 14.68%
Opera: 5.33%
Safari: 4.56%
those really low IE numbers just show that we're all nerds who know what we're doing when it comes to computers
also, im a chrome user
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On September 30 2010 09:45 Subversion wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%
Chrome is growing pretty fast, or maybe just popular among the SC2 crowd. January (pre-beta) numbers:
Firefox: 57.43%
Internet Explorer: 17.29%
Chrome: 14.68%
Opera: 5.33%
Safari: 4.56% those really low IE numbers just show that we're all nerds who know what we're doing when it comes to computers also, im a chrome user
Lol very low amount of people online know anything about what they are doing, they are just following recommendations from other users who basically got their info form the telephone game.
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On September 30 2010 08:01 soultwister wrote:
Nobody is going to try doing what Microsoft did, no one even has the power or control to do it. And even if they did, they'd get sued so hard.
There won't be annother "browser war", unless you want to slap this term onto anything because you like how it sounds.
Microsoft wanted to have a monopoly, which was never Netscape or Firefox or Chrome's objective.
Microsoft is known for their profit oriented business practices, often at the cost of screwing their business partners or customers.
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I like my browser when it's clean and simple. I have no extensions whatsoever, so I'm really fond of Chrome's slender appearance. The appearance can be customized, which is nice, but I can barely see the bar anyway. I also noticed it loads pages faster by processing image later.
What really convinced me to change browser was when I tried to watch a live stream back in Starcraft 2 beta. With Explorer 9, the page would stop responding and I had to force shut down the program with ctlr alt delete. It would do that every time. I tried firefox and it was just as bad if not worse. When I tried force shutting the page, it would not bulge at all. I had to shut down the computer to remove the firefox program. With Chrome, well, it worked :D
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IE9 is supposed to be "faster" than Chrome (according to some website)... load of buuuulll. Though they have given IE9 compatibility with a lot of new interwebs features
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On September 30 2010 10:26 synapse wrote:IE9 is supposed to be "faster" than Chrome (according to some website)... load of buuuulll. Though they have given IE9 compatibility with a lot of new interwebs features
there was some supposed claims about IE being faster than FF back then. it turns out that they did this by preloading IE as part of Windows just like any other startup programs you have running in the background.
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On September 30 2010 08:01 soultwister wrote:
Nobody is going to try doing what Microsoft did, no one even has the power or control to do it. And even if they did, they'd get sued so hard.
There won't be annother "browser war", unless you want to slap this term onto anything because you like how it sounds.
I think it's more of a struggle between the remaining browsers as to who will gain IE's share of things. Once the support stops rolling, people are going to need a new browser, and something has to ship with the new computers.
Personally, I've been using Chrome for a year now, and I have yet to find one thing that honestly bothers me. A few minor things bug me here and there (like not being able to change the links on my homepage to what I want, if I accidentally delete one), but other than that, I love it.
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Hmmm. I've just set IE9 as my default internet browser and i'm liking it so far. Let's see how long till I browser hop to another one :3
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On September 30 2010 10:58 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 08:01 soultwister wrote:
Nobody is going to try doing what Microsoft did, no one even has the power or control to do it. And even if they did, they'd get sued so hard.
There won't be annother "browser war", unless you want to slap this term onto anything because you like how it sounds. I think it's more of a struggle between the remaining browsers as to who will gain IE's share of things. Once the support stops rolling, people are going to need a new browser, and something has to ship with the new computers. Personally, I've been using Chrome for a year now, and I have yet to find one thing that honestly bothers me. A few minor things bug me here and there (like not being able to change the links on my homepage to what I want, if I accidentally delete one), but other than that, I love it.
The ad blocking add-ons don't seem to work as well on Chrome... weird. I also wish there were more than 8 links when you open a new tab. (Though it means more time on TL, so... )
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On September 30 2010 10:52 dybydx wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 10:26 synapse wrote:IE9 is supposed to be "faster" than Chrome (according to some website)... load of buuuulll. Though they have given IE9 compatibility with a lot of new interwebs features there was some supposed claims about IE being faster than FF back then. it turns out that they did this by preloading IE as part of Windows just like any other startup programs you have running in the background.
Well not the argument is benchmarks used to test the systems ususally only test Javascript and maybe one other thing. Which is not representative to how websites are designed. Few sites are largely javascript and quick javascript speed doesn't necessarily connote that it would fully show on screen faster. And So IE9 supposedly does this faster then any other browser. And so they made their own benchmarks which task a larger portion of everything basically. The only issue is that GPU acceleration quickly becomes the center piece of any of these test,which leads to people calling foul even though firefox gpu accelerated beta has very similar performance across those test - a few showing that the test do not really favor any browser, mainly because the browser actually has to render things now which usually involves images, even the ones that are not html5 such as the flying objects
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I'd be happier if we got standards compliant browsers without the war. Choice is great however creating a great website only to find out it's quirky on IE is just a waste of time.
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To be fair IE9 is considered to be more in line with standards then IE6 esp lol IE7 and IE8 during their release.
The only issue is updates
Remember IE8 was considered competitive in speed all around compared to Firefox etc at the time of release. But then a few months after it started to show it's age. Same deal with compliance to standards as webstandards are fairly slow to actually become standards often spending years in draft and recommendations. So Microsoft needs to change the culture of only patching bugs and security holes with their tuesday updates. If they want IE9 to stay competitive past release date they need to update compatibility and performance along with closing security and bug problems.
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On September 30 2010 13:04 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On September 30 2010 10:58 vx70GTOJudgexv wrote:On September 30 2010 08:01 soultwister wrote:
Nobody is going to try doing what Microsoft did, no one even has the power or control to do it. And even if they did, they'd get sued so hard.
There won't be annother "browser war", unless you want to slap this term onto anything because you like how it sounds. I think it's more of a struggle between the remaining browsers as to who will gain IE's share of things. Once the support stops rolling, people are going to need a new browser, and something has to ship with the new computers. Personally, I've been using Chrome for a year now, and I have yet to find one thing that honestly bothers me. A few minor things bug me here and there (like not being able to change the links on my homepage to what I want, if I accidentally delete one), but other than that, I love it. The ad blocking add-ons don't seem to work as well on Chrome... weird. I also wish there were more than 8 links when you open a new tab. (Though it means more time on TL, so... )
It's because ALL of the adds on the internet are by Google, Chrome's existance is there to ensure you're seeing them IMHO.
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I like how Chrome is owning shit up in the summary of your second link. Makes me feel I've made a good choice
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Very interesting read, i personally prefer Google Chrome. I love it.
I can't believe how people can like FireFox, i hate it so much.
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unclick candidate recommendation and working draft and you see that opera has been following standards better then all the rest for quite some time. webkit browsers tend to sport the best support but they also tend to make shit look ugly and buggy imo.
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IE will never fall; it's the default browser of the U.S. government (and probably many others) and they are only obligated to stay within two generations of the latest version (so as government contractors we're stuck testing for IE6 compatibility until IE9 is released). In short, with regulations like that, don't ever expect a different browser to become the default.
Your whole premise is pretty dumb, though. Netscape was a pretty terrible browser in it's own right and the idea that Microsoft is the evil overlord of the world that needs to be slain is tired and beaten to death. IE9 actually is shaping up to be a decent browser, at that.
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Been using Opera for years.
FireFox is a RAM whore
Chrome is not good enough (yet)
IE.... lol
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On September 30 2010 08:11 soultwister wrote:The article says Chrome was patched right before the competition, so no one even took a shot at it. It doesn't make for a fair point.
So were Safari and Firefox iirc. They usually do get patched right before Pwn2Own, but that didn't help Safari or Firefox did it?
And this is the second year in a row so clearly google is doing something correctly with Chrome.
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If there is a adblock for Opera, I will forever be a loyal user of that browser. Help me TL!
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On September 18 2010 15:30 SonuvBob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 15:24 SpiritoftheTunA wrote:On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%
Chrome is growing pretty fast, or maybe just popular among the SC2 crowd. January (pre-beta) numbers:
Firefox: 57.43%
Internet Explorer: 17.29%
Chrome: 14.68%
Opera: 5.33%
Safari: 4.56% Man, what's with this opera->other stuff shift? Opera for life, baby. Though realistically I use Opera, Firefox, and Chrome, in order of decreasing frequency. It's not that people have switched browsers, just that there's so many more visitors now. Apparently SC2 players don't use Opera. I'm kinda surprised IE didn't go up, actually. :p
don't be suprised... be happy
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I use to have to use AOL when I had dial-up, then I switched to chrome obvious because of how godly fast it was compared to what I've had to use. A long time after that I found out about Opera and have been using it since. FF starts too slow for me and I don't need the extensions, though I need it for sites that aren't Opera-friendly. Chrome I still have but don't use it much.
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I actually havn't heard anything bad about IE for quite awhile. Infact, I'd give it another whirl if I wasn't so used to firefox by now.
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I wish chrome had a good ad blocker. I was told it can't have and ad blocker as good as firefox because of the way it runs its extensions though. Kinda sad because I love everything else about it.
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Opera is my lover <3 . I used FF to download flv videos, thats it.
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Chrome at home, FF at work, IE when at the receptionist desk when covering phones for her lunch break. =P.
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IE9 is so far better than the current version of Chrome.
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+1 Opera
Can't live without mouse gestures once you get used to them. But I do use chrome and firefox occasionally. And besides, Opera can be so purrrdy.
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Tastespotting is an awesome website btw.
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+1 Firefox. I am using Chrome right now to see how it works and everything but my heart will always be with Mozilla Firefox!!
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On September 18 2010 20:36 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89% Awww, <3 Opera
Yay glad we have a pro-gamer on our side! Opera all the way, the speed and being less of a Ram hog are my favorite parts.
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I wish any of them would make NZ internet faster >.> Chrome/FF for me
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I've been using Chrome for two weeks. I changed from FF, and I like really much except for the download bar.
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Chrome lets in too many cookies and viruses. Thats why i went with firefox even though I am a windows fanboy
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Although I welcome the end of the IE supremacy, as a web developer a big all out war means Standards Complaince and W3C are going out the window.
Fancy features that only work on specific browsers are the things that are going to attract customers, not adhering to good standards.
As it is, any website I develop for my customers have to be viewable in IE6, IE7, IE8, FF, Chrome, Opera and Safari. IE6 is a necessity because like 50% of businesses still use that evil excrement of a browser (and there some big names that still use it).
Making a website appear equally good in all of them is impossible, some things just don't work in certain browsers. IE adds special margins to form fields, FF can't set the width of a file field and the list goes on.
Making it look acceptable in all browsers is already tricky and time consuming.
Whoever wins, I hope it's won fast or we may end up with sites that only 7 out of like 23 browsers can even view.
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I switched from Firefox to predominantly Chrome, but after downloading the Firefox 4 Beta (as a few of the other blokes have said) I'm back onto Firefox.
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As GPU support in Chrome 7 grows and the extension pool grows, there's zero reason to be on FF or anything else.
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Opera for life.
I just can't see myself using something else. Everytime I'm on my friend's computer on some other browser I'm always trying to use the mouse shortcuts and I'm like "fuck give me opera back".
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Wait most people still use IE? i'd be interested in looking at the stats for the 18-30 year old male demographic. it may be because my parents were both in IT/com sci but i grew up using netscape when i was a younger kid, firefox when i was a young teenager, and chrome now.
edit: i used ff again because of the beta for a while but i'm back to chrome now
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I stopped using Firefox when FF 2.0 came out, switched to Opera. Then I switched to Chrome the day it came out to try it out, and I loved it. I downloaded FF 3.0 when it came out and it was horrible and slow, kept using Chrome. I downloaded the beta for 4.0, and while I like it, I still prefer Chrome most of the time. And on a laptop? Chrome is the ONLY way to surf, that extra screen real estate makes a HUGE difference.
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On November 02 2010 15:26 ShadeR wrote:
I use opera for my porn.
Chrome's Incognito mode owns for porn and or porn at work.
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i like chrome cause of it's minimalist design and 'simplicity' but it can be a pain in the ass to get all the settings right. for example, getting it to clear history after browsing (trollface) took finding and tweaking an extension (can't remember and my laptop's getting repaired). i don't like using incognito because if someone sees you using it, they're just gonna assume you're doing weird shit. then there's the issue of having no master password, although i know it's nothing against hackers, it does stop friends from being douchebags, lol. idk, the pros outweighed the cons for me. it's pretty fast too, and has a lot better support compared to when it was initially released.
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On November 02 2010 16:18 sk` wrote:Chrome's Incognito mode owns for porn and or porn at work.
You do know that all browsers have that kind of mode... Also why are you looking at porn at work.
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I've finally switched to Chrome after having countless headaches and issues with Flash and Youtube in FF. I've noticed less lag spikes now. I did have some ad issues in livestream but found an easy fix after quick search of TL.
Everything is working great now and is fast. I only have two issues. One is that TL text is a little too small for me and I can't seem to change it in Chrome options. For some reason I only really have this problem on TL. I could use zoom but that makes other things too big.
Another issue is that I'm worried that official sites (government, school) don't work as well on Chrome cause they always recommend FF or IE to view. I wanna uninstall FF but that issue alone is keeping me from doing so. I wonder if the rest of you have used Chrome for sites like that or used the IE tab thing if Chrome wasn't good for those sites.
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Use chrome on my Netbook since chrome takes less resources and runs faster, and firefox on my main computer because ad-block functions more smoothly on it, as far as I can . I've thought about changing again and toying around with other things, but as it remains i'm fine with where I am at right now.
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On November 09 2010 15:31 Comeh wrote:
Use chrome on my Netbook since chrome takes less resources.
wat... I have never found this to be the case
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I use Chrome for normal browsing, Firefox for whenever I need the stuff from add-ons, and IE for Korean websites that require it.
I used to just main Firefox, but it feels like it drains resources really hard. I have no data to back that up; it just feels that way.
Also, I've never heard of anyone who knows anything about browsers preferring Internet Explorer. It's basically the technologically illiterate ("What's a browser?" or "I don't want to switch because it sounds too hard").
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I mostly have IE and FF open at the same time. Sometimes i let them quarrel over the connection to see who can take more bandwith when downloading stuff of similar size.
Surprisingly, at my place it is totally random which browser will finish the download first, there is no telling apart which broser does a better job at it. Now please nobody use reason on me, its super uneffective ;-)
I never used Chrome till now, altough i might as well do it. Google has most of my data anyways.
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When at home, i only use chrome. At work however, i use FF and IE6 ( required for intranet sites :s ). On my android phone, i use opera mini, as it is much faster than other browsers :p
I think that ultimately IE, Chrome and FF will have about the same market share, as they are becoming more and more equal with time ( yes, the latest versions of IE are actually decent browsers). safari is only used by Mac Users, and i do not know anyone using opera on anything than a mobile phone ^^'
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Chrome is really on fire nowadays... In a span of 2 years it galloped to the 9th version! (8 and 9 are in beta). I really don't know what plan Chrome developers are having in their minds. It looks like they just want to give each upgrade a number. Maybe they are trying to create a buzz.
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I just adore opera in every way, it's a shame some websites aren't compatible with it. I used to use FF all the time but since i switched to opera after seeing a friend use it, and customized it for my liking, things like mouse shortcuts, speed dial, the tab thumbnails ect i can't live without anymore, however much that sounds like an advert lol.
On the subject of browsers, when is 64 bit browser becoming standard (if at all) and when is it going to be supported by flash? and is it worth it?
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I've been going on and off with almost everything from Netscape, IE, Opera, Firefox, and Chrome. Currently I'm mainly using Firefox, and IE for backup (some websites, although just a few, is not working well with Firefox, unfortunately the one that I must open), but I also have Chrome & Opera installed.
I think I will stick with Firefox (currently 3.6.x), and I say Firefox 4.x is promising. I don't think I will switch to Chrome, although it looks appealing, unless some major things happened such as Chrome will go "all kill" other browsers, which I don't want to.
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I have IE Opera FF Chrome installed.
Use Opera mainly, Chrome secondary, FF and IE for certain addons and such (rarely).
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I'm using a mixture of Browsers like many here:
Firefox on my Laptop mainly, even though I have Opera and Chrome installed.
It still remains FF alone for the NoScript Add-on, which without, I wouldn't want to browse.
On my phone, I use Opera Mobile, for the sole reason that it was recommended to me, and that I really liked it after trying it out.
I dislike Chrome for the things that were in the EULA or TOS, (google owns all u do or what was it?) but that might have been changed already without me noticing.
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The only advantage FF has over Chrome for me is RSS feeds on the bookmark toolbar.
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Well I'm using IE only because I cannot use flashplayer on chrome or mozilla. Dont know why, googled it for a while and found nothing helpful.
So there's no reason for me anymore to use other than IE unless firefox starts working.
+ some sites does not work with firefox while every site should work with IE.
For me IE is fastest (for sure), easiest (works and simple layout with options) and it's the default (so I need some kind of reason to DL another browser).
That is what I do and I dont care what others think about it.
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On November 09 2010 21:19 Ryndika wrote:
For me IE is fastest (for sure), easiest (works and simple layout with options) and it's the default (so I need some kind of reason to DL another browser).
That is what I do and I dont care what others think about it.
Ya..it's not the fastest "for sure"
http://lifehacker.com/5575407/browser-speed-tests-safari-5-firefox-36-and-opera-106-beta
As for easiest..well that's your opinion. But you can use IE tabs in firefox.
It's also not as secure due to activex and other such things.
And saying you use it because it's the default browser installed, that's just ignorant.
But you don't care about what others think..so I don't know why I bother trying to change your point of view.
Anyways, I hope firefox or opera wins the browser war.
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Using Chrome and since it took the best of Opera and FF I think it will be among the winners. Oh and I don't use Ad-block with it, so no reason for IE here.
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Im using FF, because...well I guess im just too used to it.
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Opera 10 for my PC.
Opera Mobile for my phone.
I would most likely use even more Opera if I had more stuff that would support Opera.
Just read maybe a week ago how revolutionary the new Google Chrome was and I downloaded it. Tried it a bit, downloaded even the Protoss -theme for it from here and tried using it a bit. Found out I didn't know how to use it and it felt clumsy so i gave up. Opera is here to stay, has been for many, many years now. Even then when there was that ad on top right if you hadn't bought Opera.
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Google Chrome is my shit. I love it.
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I don't like Google but Firefox blows, so I use Chrome.
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On September 18 2010 14:59 SonuvBob wrote:
TL's numbers:
Firefox: 51.94%
Chrome: 25.72%
Internet Explorer: 11.54%
Safari: 6.29%
Opera: 3.89%
Chrome is growing pretty fast, or maybe just popular among the SC2 crowd. January (pre-beta) numbers:
Firefox: 57.43%
Internet Explorer: 17.29%
Chrome: 14.68%
Opera: 5.33%
Safari: 4.56%
Chrome is growing in all demographics but internet-savy people (polite way of saying video game nerds) tend to pick up on these things faster. I don't see the big draw of chrome over Firefox but w/e, to each their own so long as it isn't IE.
On September 18 2010 15:03 illu wrote:
If everyone runs Firefox / Chrome + adblock, very soon every website will be starting to charge monthly fees.... starting from google.
Would anyone continue use google if other search engines were free? Charging to visit websites would need to be a massive act of collusion between pretty much every major website.
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Chrome is superior imo.
I love typing 1 letter for the whole site, yay!
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Chrome hwaiting and all that.
But really, when I ran it the first time I was like "omg so clean and simple in every possible way" and fell in love with it the same day.
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Opera all the way.
Ive been using Opera for years now on my PC and haven't had any problems.
Love the Speed Dial and they had it way before Chrome's weird most visited pages thing. Tried Chrome and FF, but ended up switching back to Opera.
Opera Mini for my Droid also
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I switched from FF to Chrome for about a month or so, but switched back after I got some adaware automatically downloaded and installed through some exploit on chrome. I have never gotten any problems with security using FF, so this is currently my browser of choice.
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So much love for chrome O.o
I find chrome annoying at times because it fails on lot of the streaming websites, and chrome does not have ability to activate certain website's script for some reason.
I really hope they get the new version of IE right on various things, because at least you can trust IE to work on every websites properly.
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I use FF mostly because it has best compatibility with the sites I visit regularly. Another reason might be because I am too used to it.
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After being spoiled by Adblock Plus and Noscript, I can't use anything else. Otherwise I'd try chrome because it seems pretty fast and slick.
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FF + Addons
Chrome is sleek, but it doesn't have nearly as many "necessary" (to me) addons. I keep my gmail open in chrome, and use FF for everything else.
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I honestly couldn't live without my firefox addons, they are the pylons for my gateways.
Hopefully IE and safari die a pitiful death, IE had its run, safari needs to just die, and the rest are all great in their own respects.
MFW Safari > Opera
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Has cometbird been mentioned? It's not as compact as chrome, but seems like it has more compatibility with more websites.
I used to use FF, but it borders on the more heavyweight side. IE can just die though. It's like trying to go double expo with an aggressive build-it doesn't work.
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I'm trying out rockmelt ( http://www.rockmelt.com/ ) right now... they basically stole chrome and added a facebook / rss sidebar... which isn't too bad tbh.
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that benchmark is laughable at best, they must have fucked it up really bad if firefox is the fastest on cold start... like really really bad
FF is by far the slowest browser to open on any computer i have ever tried, with IE and chrome being much faster
both FF and chrome open instantly on my pc while FF and opera both take a couple of seconds, just tried it... warm start they're still faster
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On November 10 2010 13:46 synapse wrote:I'm trying out rockmelt ( http://www.rockmelt.com/ ) right now... they basically stole chrome and added a facebook / rss sidebar... which isn't too bad tbh.
I don't like rockmelt 1 reason
CHARAZARD use ROCKMELT!
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On November 10 2010 14:21 LG)Sabbath wrote:that benchmark is laughable at best, they must have fucked it up really bad if firefox is the fastest on cold start... like really really bad FF is by far the slowest browser to open on any computer i have ever tried, with IE and chrome being much faster both FF and chrome open instantly on my pc while FF and opera both take a couple of seconds, just tried it... warm start they're still faster
Also did they disable super fetch or not, is it a fresh install or old? Alot of bloggers and stuff run not really proper benchmarks counting in the variables properly to give a fair assessment.
Also i like how the people want low memory use Chrome, chrome is one of the worst due to it creates a new instance for every tab similar to IE, so when you open a few tabs the memory used spikes. Although when you close it it will return back to small.
Opera and FF are the worse to when closing tabs still taking up a ton of memory depending on settings ofc.
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just moved to chrome from ff/opera ... sad that everything is becoming google but it runs so smooth
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the thing i like about opera is that i can sync my bookmark from opera mini on my phone. So when im browsing tl at work on my phone like i am now and there are vods or other vids that i cant view i just sync the bookmarks and not have to search for pages
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On September 18 2010 16:17 blue_arrow wrote:
What I really see in the next couple months is a battle of browser innovation between IE, FF and chrome that's gonna bring huge benefits to users.
You mean who can steal the innovative tings from Opera first?
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On November 10 2010 17:24 Neivler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2010 16:17 blue_arrow wrote:
What I really see in the next couple months is a battle of browser innovation between IE, FF and chrome that's gonna bring huge benefits to users.
You mean who can steal the innovative tings from Opera first?
You mean steal from add-ons that were built into ie from 3rd parties, which only stole from other companies doing other things which they liked.
Browser business is a dirty business i find these benchmark of script speeds the dirtiest form of play right now.
Speed varies greatly from a fresh install to a used browser, how is it maintained, how are settings changed, what the user adds.
I personally choose browser based on ability to change the UI to fit how i like things, i use opera just because it works well out of the box, i can do FF and IE but it requires me getting so many add ons it's not worth my time.
I also think opera the way it renders a webpage appears to a person the slowest, i think the quickest is chrome and IE9, IE9 is esp fast if you cache things and are on a broadband connection pages load when you click.
BY what i meant above about render is, even if 2 browsers render a page exactly the same time from start to finish the way it does the rendering can make an apparent feel like it is loading faster then another, similar to how pictures online loads, where it does it in steps vs just loading all at once.
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On November 09 2010 21:35 Epithet wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 21:19 Ryndika wrote:
For me IE is fastest (for sure), easiest (works and simple layout with options) and it's the default (so I need some kind of reason to DL another browser).
That is what I do and I dont care what others think about it. Ya..it's not the fastest "for sure" http://lifehacker.com/5575407/browser-speed-tests-safari-5-firefox-36-and-opera-106-betaAs for easiest..well that's your opinion. But you can use IE tabs in firefox. It's also not as secure due to activex and other such things. And saying you use it because it's the default browser installed, that's just ignorant. But you don't care about what others think..so I don't know why I bother trying to change your point of view. Anyways, I hope firefox or opera wins the browser war.
Is this offensive ? I hope not because I'll have few points.
I said IE is faster for me and I've tested. It's different on my setup than on someone random one's.
Easiest I mean that I know where are certain buttons and here goes also why I will not DL other browser where I do not know few tricks.
And what about security? I've thought that aslong as I'm not doing something stupid or breaking obvious etiquettes about using internet - I wont get any shit on my computer.
+ Show Spoiler +[I dont want any flamewar here in TL forums and I dont want to be offensive to random people in internet. If you got pissed off how I use IE or about this reply I'm sorry. However it would have been nice if you came up with constructive post giving real info why I would actually DL other browser if mine IS actually bad - never stated IE is best]
Also, anyone know what browser is most resource efficient - I tend to have 3 to 5 tabs open usually?
And what ads people are actually blocking with their adblocks? Those banners on site or in youtube videos? I can't think anything else.
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New Firefox 4 beta jumps to second-fastest browser on the market, right after Opera 11.
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yea, i just updated my firefox and it feels ridiculously faster. though why is 3.6 WAY faster than everything else? o.O
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Lol in what bar gaphs without numbers and without context.
Opera imo is the sluggish when it comes to displaying the content, which is frankly why i call crap on such single test as JavaScript benches etc, it's like if people chose gpu's based on DP numbers instead of gaming benches. I say that now as i use opera lol, but i like opera for ui customization out of box. i don't really care if the page loads in 100ms or 50 ms.
IE9, Chrome 9 both feel snappy, ff depends if you're a person cursed with bugs with their beta or not.
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On November 12 2010 18:37 semantics wrote:
Lol in what bar gaphs without numbers and without context.
Opera imo is the sluggish when it comes to displaying the content, which is frankly why i call crap on such single test as JavaScript benches etc, it's like if people chose gpu's based on DP numbers instead of gaming benches. I say that now as i use opera lol, but i like opera for ui customization out of box. i don't really care if the page loads in 100ms or 50 ms.
IE9, Chrome 9 both feel snappy, ff depends if you're a person cursed with bugs with their beta or not.
Here's the full article, it's in Swedish though..
Browser test
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Meh.. These days, who actually makes money off browsers anyways? It is a pointless market where the only people that care about the share are hacker/spammers and site developers.
You can hate IE all you want, but when M$ bundled it with Windows it opened the internet to many people. I could still remember the dial-up days when the only net browser available was Netscape installed from floppy disks provided by my ISP. If I lose the installation disk, I had no browser.
Firefox, although slightly more secured and safer than IE, is not without its problem. The Plugin-container for example, is constantly memory leaking resulting is slow down in streams. I had to force kill the plugin-container every time I load more than 5 clips.
I haven't felt the need to use Chrome yet. Is there some features worth switching for? or people are switching because they like to use google's product?
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On November 10 2010 18:00 Ryndika wrote:Show nested quote +On November 09 2010 21:35 Epithet wrote:On November 09 2010 21:19 Ryndika wrote:
For me IE is fastest (for sure), easiest (works and simple layout with options) and it's the default (so I need some kind of reason to DL another browser).
That is what I do and I dont care what others think about it. Ya..it's not the fastest "for sure" http://lifehacker.com/5575407/browser-speed-tests-safari-5-firefox-36-and-opera-106-betaAs for easiest..well that's your opinion. But you can use IE tabs in firefox. It's also not as secure due to activex and other such things. And saying you use it because it's the default browser installed, that's just ignorant. But you don't care about what others think..so I don't know why I bother trying to change your point of view. Anyways, I hope firefox or opera wins the browser war. Is this offensive ? I hope not because I'll have few points. I said IE is faster for me and I've tested. It's different on my setup than on someone random one's. Easiest I mean that I know where are certain buttons and here goes also why I will not DL other browser where I do not know few tricks. And what about security? I've thought that aslong as I'm not doing something stupid or breaking obvious etiquettes about using internet - I wont get any shit on my computer. + Show Spoiler +[I dont want any flamewar here in TL forums and I dont want to be offensive to random people in internet. If you got pissed off how I use IE or about this reply I'm sorry. However it would have been nice if you came up with constructive post giving real info why I would actually DL other browser if mine IS actually bad - never stated IE is best] Also, anyone know what browser is most resource efficient - I tend to have 3 to 5 tabs open usually? And what ads people are actually blocking with their adblocks? Those banners on site or in youtube videos? I can't think anything else.
It's not offensive. I think I might have misinterpreted your statement of, "That is what I do and I dont care what others think about it". It is sometimes hard for me to read into what people actually mean on the Internet sometimes, and for that I apologize.
While you yourself may not do something stupid to try and not get any malware on your computer, the truth is Internet Explorer is easier to exploit for people who wish malcontent on other internet users. Even if you do nothing stupid, it doesn't stop people from trying to infect your computer. An ActiveX code can format your drive, modify files as it pleases, change security settings, modify windows registry - among other things. A maliciously written ActiveX component can do any amount of damage imaginable, including viruses, stealing passwords, & stealing info from your system. The problem is not with you the user, but with Microsoft and this software.
According to the link I provided earlier, Firefox 3.6 uses the least memory tested on nine tabs open, while IE uses the most. There's more detailed stats on that site. It was written 5 months ago, so while it may not be the most up to date, I would still stand by it.
You did not piss me off on how you use IE, and I would have given you more advice on other browsers, but the "I dont care what others think about it" statement kind of threw me off. Again, I apologize if I seemed like a dick earlier.
Adblock blocks many annoying ads. If you ever have viewed a person playing or streaming on livestream, it gets rid of those ads that pop up while you're trying to watch someone play. You can also set it to block images(IE Banners), Flash, Java, scripts, and stylesheets. Here is a short video overview.
Take it easy and if you have any other questions I'll try my best to answer, and if I can't I'm sure someone else can~
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My understanding is that IE has had a long history of having security vulnerabilities where merely visiting a particular web site would be sufficient to get a virus on your computer.
However, I'm stuck with using it here in Korea, because if you want to do anything (social network sites, e-commerce, e-banking, school online course registration, etc) the sites require IE and ActiveX. I'm honest. You can't buy a pair of shoes online without having to allow ActiveX.
Oh, and I used to use Firefox until I saw Chrome. Chrome feels like what Firebird did, until they changed the name and started adding features. 90% of users aren't interested in customizing their browsers and installing plugins, but Firefox is betting its bank on it.
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On November 10 2010 17:32 semantics wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2010 17:24 Neivler wrote:On September 18 2010 16:17 blue_arrow wrote:
What I really see in the next couple months is a battle of browser innovation between IE, FF and chrome that's gonna bring huge benefits to users.
You mean who can steal the innovative tings from Opera first? You mean steal from add-ons that were built into ie from 3rd parties, which only stole from other companies doing other things which they liked. Browser business is a dirty business i find these benchmark of script speeds the dirtiest form of play right now. Speed varies greatly from a fresh install to a used browser, how is it maintained, how are settings changed, what the user adds. I personally choose browser based on ability to change the UI to fit how i like things, i use opera just because it works well out of the box, i can do FF and IE but it requires me getting so many add ons it's not worth my time. I also think opera the way it renders a webpage appears to a person the slowest, i think the quickest is chrome and IE9, IE9 is esp fast if you cache things and are on a broadband connection pages load when you click. BY what i meant above about render is, even if 2 browsers render a page exactly the same time from start to finish the way it does the rendering can make an apparent feel like it is loading faster then another, similar to how pictures online loads, where it does it in steps vs just loading all at once.
I can't speak for fixed benchmarks, but speaking from my (Part-time) web development experience, I've always found Chrome to be an order of magnitude faster than FF or IE.
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Wow OP's recollection of the history is so inaccurate, it makes me wonder if he actually was old enough to remember what happened...
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latest news guys,
1. Firefox is now the most popular browser in EU, and
2. IE has now dropped below the 50% mark.
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i used opera from 2002-08 or so, i remember back when it had ads and you had to pay for it, it had tabs before firefox existed
i switched to firefox when skipscreen and came around, i love those two plugins
tried chrome... didnt like it, too simple looking for me, i saw the quick launch/dialpad in opera in 07, but really didnt care for it
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