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TanGeng
Sanya12364 Posts
I was just hoping that a movement calling for accountability wouldn't get derailed so easily. Now it's basically warped into a Republican machine and looks nothing like what it started out as. My bet is that it was the common dislike for Obama that let the partisan hounds in the door. I guess I can take consolation in that the Teaparty candidates can still wreck the prospects of corrupt Republican candidates and piss off Karl Rove and that the pure evangelical types can't get elected. | ||
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Adila
United States874 Posts
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NadaSound
United States227 Posts
The other thing that stops me from voting republican or tea party is how many of them have no or little regard for the environment and are unwilling to except the idea that our actions have repercussions. I just don't understand how people don't understand that changing the earth's atmosphere is going to change the earth's atmosphere. Also all the nonsensical ramblings on how global warming is a scam devised by Al Gore just makes me scratch my head and say really then why is every other country in the world on board with addressing this issue diplomatically. If it wasn't for these two closed-mined hard headed position I would be on board too. Well i guess all the religious rhetoric concerns me too. I just fell they are just a bunch of haters; not very Christ like if you ask me. | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
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maliceee
United States634 Posts
On October 26 2010 12:31 NadaSound wrote: I like what a lot of republicans and the tea party stand for but I wont vote for any one who endorses discrimination. They need to get over how other people choose to live their lives, it's none of their business. The other thing that stops me from voting republican or tea party is how many of them have no or little regard for the environment and are unwilling to except the idea that our actions have repercussions. I just don't understand how people don't understand that changing the earth's atmosphere is going to change the earth's atmosphere. Also all the nonsensical ramblings on how global warming is a scam devised by Al Gore just makes me scratch my head and say really then why is every other country in the world on board with addressing this issue diplomatically. If it wasn't for these two closed-mined hard headed position I would be on board too. Well i guess all the religious rhetoric concerns me too. I just fell they are just a bunch of haters; not very Christ like if you ask me. yea every other country but china and india, the two who are developing and taking over everything. lol | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On October 26 2010 12:34 Ferrose wrote: I don't know what I'm going to do. I turned eighteen over the summer, so this is my first time voting. ![[image loading]](http://www.gonzotimes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/vote-for-nobody.jpg) | ||
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Sadist
United States7328 Posts
not voting increases the chances the evangelicals win. I have to cancel one of their votes out ;DDDDDD | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
Trust me, if the guy who says he'll put prayer back in schools and ban abortions and deport everyone whose last name includes a Z, you can be pretty damn sure he'll actually keep those campaign promises. These bona fide crazies can be distinguished from the normal political opportunists by the fact that they promise things instead of stating beliefs. Example: Dubya "believed in the sanctity of life". He gets the rabid issue voters to vote for him without committing political suicide by actually trying to overturn Roe v Wade. Same with the marriage amendment crap. He'd support a toothless, for-show issue to pander to the core, without actually having to go down in history as the troglodyte who held back human progress. While you may think not choosing between a Giant Douche and a Turd Sandwich is a legitimate choice, you're actually not gonna end up with either in the long run. You're gonna end up with a charismatic psychopath who convinced the less intellectually endowed to put him in power. I'll keep voting for the political whores whose soul-selling might actually benefit society economically, as long as they stay the hell out of my personal life. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On October 26 2010 18:42 kojinshugi wrote: I'll keep voting for the political whores whose soul-selling might actually benefit society economically, Have they ever? | ||
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kojinshugi
Estonia2559 Posts
Yes. Trickle-down economics may not trickle as much as advocates claim, but on the whole the standard of living rises for everyone. Every time an ideologue promises to spread the wealth and plow through the status quo towards utopia, the standard of living equalizes to an lovely and egalitarian slump of economic malaise. I'd rather be a "slave wage" in 2010 than a collectivized farmhand in a 1950s USSR, even if it results in a super-rich elite taking caviar baths somewhere on their private islands. I have far more leisure time, financial means, better technology, healthier food, and personal safety than any generation before mine did, even though I'm an utter nobody. And my society is far more permissive and laissez-faire about what I do with my personal life. When it's a choice between greedy people running the show and ideologues, I'm going for the greedy people. | ||
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Yurebis
United States1452 Posts
On October 26 2010 21:45 kojinshugi wrote: Yes. Trickle-down economics may not trickle as much as advocates claim, but on the whole the standard of living rises for everyone. Every time an ideologue promises to spread the wealth and plow through the status quo towards utopia, the standard of living equalizes to an lovely and egalitarian slump of economic malaise. I'd rather be a "slave wage" in 2010 than a collectivized farmhand in a 1950s USSR, even if it results in a super-rich elite taking caviar baths somewhere on their private islands. I have far more leisure time, financial means, better technology, healthier food, and personal safety than any generation before mine did, even though I'm an utter nobody. And my society is far more permissive and laissez-faire about what I do with my personal life. When it's a choice between greedy people running the show and ideologues, I'm going for the greedy people. Oh so you mean, politicians make society better off economically by cutting taxes? Okay. But Nobody does that. | ||
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Krikkitone
United States1451 Posts
On October 26 2010 18:42 kojinshugi wrote: Trust me, if the guy who says he'll put prayer back in schools and ban abortions and deport everyone whose last name includes a Z, you can be pretty damn sure he'll actually keep those campaign promises. No he won't. He might introduce bills for that to happen, but there is no position that anyone can hold in the US government that would allow that to happen. Now if there was a party, and that was their platform, and you gave them the majority of the house and senate, and the presidency for about 20 years or so, then they could make it happen. Of course in a party that successful there are going to be a lot of people jumping on the bandwagon for that. Who realy don't care about the spelling of last names. | ||
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dOofuS
United States342 Posts
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On October 26 2010 12:31 NadaSound wrote: The other thing that stops me from voting republican or tea party is how many of them have no or little regard for the environment and are unwilling to except the idea that our actions have repercussions. I just don't understand how people don't understand that changing the earth's atmosphere is going to change the earth's atmosphere. Also all the nonsensical ramblings on how global warming is a scam devised by Al Gore just makes me scratch my head and say really then why is every other country in the world on board with addressing this issue diplomatically. How silly of you to say this. I thought it was common knowledge that everyone outside the United States is engaging in a massive Rube Goldberg-esque conspiracy to profit from green legislation, including 95% of the scientific community, headed by Al Gore of course. On October 26 2010 21:45 kojinshugi wrote: Yes. Trickle-down economics may not trickle as much as advocates claim, but on the whole the standard of living rises for everyone. Every time an ideologue promises to spread the wealth and plow through the status quo towards utopia, the standard of living equalizes to an lovely and egalitarian slump of economic malaise. I'd rather be a "slave wage" in 2010 than a collectivized farmhand in a 1950s USSR, even if it results in a super-rich elite taking caviar baths somewhere on their private islands. I have far more leisure time, financial means, better technology, healthier food, and personal safety than any generation before mine did, even though I'm an utter nobody. And my society is far more permissive and laissez-faire about what I do with my personal life. When it's a choice between greedy people running the show and ideologues, I'm going for the greedy people. Hm. This certainly explains why those European and Asian countries that practice silly ideology like "quality education" and "free healthcare" and "not shitting on the environment" enjoy a higher standard of living than the United States. Here I thought it was precisely because they were progressing towards such standards as equality and fairness, but turns out, that's Stalinism! Thank you for this straw cast-er, enlightening explanation. Also, the United States was founded by a group of ideologues. If you have a problem with a bunch of ideologues running the show, maybe you should move to another country, like friendly and benevolent North Korea or something. | ||
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NadaSound
United States227 Posts
On October 27 2010 00:50 Krigwin wrote: How silly of you to say this. I thought it was common knowledge that everyone outside the United States is engaging in a massive Rube Goldberg-esque conspiracy to profit from green legislation, including 95% of the scientific community, headed by Al Gore of course. Also, the United States was founded by a group of ideologues. If you have a problem with a bunch of ideologues running the show, maybe you should move to another country, like friendly and benevolent North Korea or something. India and China have ratified the Kyoto Protocol while the US is unwilling to even consider it. How does 95% of the scientific community profit from this "conspiracy"? As for the founding fathers, were they not fighting for and aspiring towards tolerance and personal freedoms for everyone. Their main purpose was to take religion out of government to ensure the safety and freedoms of the people. Washington himself declared that the US was not a Christian nation, so it seems you are speaking solely based on your own misconceptions. | ||
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Krigwin
1130 Posts
On October 27 2010 01:15 NadaSound wrote: India and China have ratified the Kyoto Protocol while the US is unwilling to even consider it. How does 95% of the scientific community profit from this "conspiracy"? As for the founding fathers, were they not fighting for and aspiring towards tolerance and personal freedoms for everyone. Their main purpose was to take religion out of government to ensure the safety and freedoms of the people. Washington himself declared that the US was not a Christian nation, so it seems you are speaking solely based on your own imsconceptions. I was being wholly sarcastic. Sorry man for confusing ya. | ||
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NadaSound
United States227 Posts
On October 27 2010 01:32 Krigwin wrote: I was being wholly sarcastic. Sorry man for confusing ya. lol, thank god | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
a woman was tackled and stomped on by rand paul supporters. further reading: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail?entry_id=75494 | ||
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_Darwin_
United States2374 Posts
On October 27 2010 05:38 a176 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txU55iFG9UA a woman was tackled and stomped on by rand paul supporters. further reading: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail?entry_id=75494 this is fucking disgusting but also extremely ironic given that paul is a libertarian-repubber. Supporters don't seem to like free speech as much as they claim  | ||
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Ferrose
United States11378 Posts
On October 27 2010 05:38 a176 wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txU55iFG9UA a woman was tackled and stomped on by rand paul supporters. further reading: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/ybenjamin/detail?entry_id=75494 I saw that...Disgraceful. | ||
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