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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
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Josh-FiveO
Denmark174 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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Deleted User 101379
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I don't have problems with such a technology. Yes, the wording is scary but it's basically beaming which is something i hope we will get soon. | ||
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Maitolasi
Finland441 Posts
On April 14 2012 21:48 Sovern wrote: I dont know why people are getting the idea that your consciousness isnt made up of atoms either. Of course I'd be fine with being transported, and of course I'd still be conscious because the atom make up would be the same. No you wouldn't be conscious because you would be dead. There would just be another guy exactly like you on the other side but you would be gone. | ||
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KookyMonster
United States311 Posts
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Josh-FiveO
Denmark174 Posts
On August 05 2010 23:07 TheAntZ wrote: I dont understand why so many people are against this, if it reconstructs your brain along with your body exactly as it was, its not a clone, it IS you. Just a reconstructed you. you'd essentially just be dead for a small amount of time So if you just cloned without destroying the original, you would suddenly be 2 people`? I don't think so. Think about it dude. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 15 2012 01:59 KookyMonster wrote: As long as my consciousness is retained, I don't see why not if it is 100% fool proof. For people that seem not to get the idea. If the machine works by replicating you, there might be no need for it to kill you. So basically you enter the chamber and at the end one guy(you) leaves the original chamber and the "teleported" guy exactly like the original leaves the destination chamber. Are you the destination guy ? Of course not, you are the guy who never moved one inch and left the original chamber. So if the machine actually kills you during the replication process (or after it) , who is the remaining guy at the destination ? Not you. People saying that the "teleported" guy is you are saying that if someone created a copy of you, both the copy and you would be you. That of course makes no sense. Startrek teleporters, stargate, ring transport, ... all of them kill the person entering the device and create a copy that is not the original. There are even episodes in those shows where accidents happen that showcase this (not the writers intentions really). The only exceptions that comes to mind might be Asgard teleport, but I might be wrong it still might work the same way, I just do not recall there ever being malfunction with someone stored in a "buffer" like with the others. | ||
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Gnosis
Scotland912 Posts
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drbrown
Sweden442 Posts
Even if an exact copy of me is constructed, I still die, i would never get to experience the teleport, only my copy would. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
I think I would be okay with going through a teleporter. Sure I leave my old body behind, but I know my mind will be the same. The problem could come up that the teleporter accidentally recreates your body and mind, but doesn't destroy your old one immediately. At that point, your mind has diverged into two minds. In that case, you can't justify killing either of them, because they are now unique people. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 15 2012 01:57 Morfildur wrote: So everyone here is saying Scotty is a mass murderer? I don't have problems with such a technology. Yes, the wording is scary but it's basically beaming which is something i hope we will get soon. Yes he actually is. Or rather all the people using the teleporters are commiting suicide, because they all know how it works. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:14 KevinIX wrote: It depends on how you look at it. Obviously, if you think you are your body, then going through a teleporter kills you. BUT, if you think of yourself as your conciousness/mind, then going through a teleporter would only destroy your body. Your mind will be intact, just reconstructed in another body. I think I would be okay with going through a teleporter. Sure I leave my old body behind, but I know my mind will be the same. Note that all those teleporters in sci-fi easily allow multiple bodies to be recreated at the end, all exactly the same. Which of those 5 copies is the original person ? | ||
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sunprince
United States2258 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:14 KevinIX wrote: It depends on how you look at it. Obviously, if you think you are your body, then going through a teleporter kills you. BUT, if you think of yourself as your mind, then going through a teleporter would only destroy your body. Your mind will be intact, just reconstructed in another body. I think I would be okay with going through a teleporter. Sure I leave my old body behind, but I know my mind will be the same. What makes you think your consciousness would move to a new body? If you're cloned, will your consciousness be in two bodies at once? Since the answer is obviously no, then what makes you think your consciousness will still be around when you die and a duplicate is made somewhere else? | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:18 mcc wrote: Note that all those teleporters in sci-fi easily allow multiple bodies to be recreated at the end, all exactly the same. Which of those 5 copies is the original person ? I edited in a bit at the end there. I think that if you recreate multiple copies or fail to destroy the old one, they all become unique individuals. You can't destroy any of them. | ||
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KevinIX
United States2472 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:20 sunprince wrote: What makes you think your consciousness would move to a new body? If you're cloned, will your consciousness be in two bodies at once? Since the answer is obviously no, then what makes you think your consciousness will still be around when you die and a duplicate is made somewhere else? There's a difference between cloning and teleporting. I'm assuming that a teleporter would create an identical copy of you with all your experiences and genetics identical to your old body. Cloning doesn't pass on your memories only your genetics. I think that the experience you have in life defines you as an individual. If both your experiences and genetics are identical, you are the same person. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:20 KevinIX wrote: I edited in a bit at the end there. I think that if you recreate multiple copies or fail to destroy the old one, they all become unique individuals. You can't destroy any of them. That makes no sense. There is no magical mind splitting that happens only if we fail to destroy the copies, but not otherwise. Unless you believe in some immaterial soul, but that would have its own set of problems. The physical process is the same. Thus the being at the destination is always unique and not the original. Original dies or not, but never moves a bit. | ||
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Millitron
United States2611 Posts
On April 15 2012 01:56 GreEny K wrote: I wouldn't share the thoughts of the other me, our minds would not be connected. I would have to say no... From my point of view, getting into that machine is the end for me. But the copy is a perfect copy. An instant before you teleport, your memories and thoughts would be copied over. So while it isn't the same consciousness, it IS an exact copy of it, so it may as well be the same one. I would do it for sure. | ||
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phosphorylation
United States2935 Posts
"The question to be asked here is: how is this different from falling into a coma and gaining consciousness? Most people would want (and see no problem) in continuing on their lives after recovering from a coma. In both cases, there is a distinct break in consciousness and you are, more or less, the same person afterwards. (Actually, even more so in the teleportation sitaution). The only distinction is that there's no break in the continuity of the existence of material matter in the coma situation. But is that important at all? Difficult question indeed" | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 15 2012 02:25 KevinIX wrote: There's a difference between cloning and teleporting. I'm assuming that a teleporter would create an identical copy of you with all your experiences and genetics identical to your old body. Cloning doesn't pass on your memories only your genetics. I think that the experience you have in life defines you as an individual. If both your experiences and genetics are identical, you are the same person. By cloning I think he does not mean the biological cloning, just the process of creating exactly the same individual with exactly the same brain and thus memories and experiences. The teleporters in question are actually cloning (in this sense of the word) machines that just clone you in different location. EDIT: Also so if your identical twin and you were placed in identical virtual worlds with exactly the same events happening. You would be both the same person ?  | ||
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