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On November 29 2010 12:19 LSB wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333920/WikiLeaks-Hillary-Clinton-ordered-U-S-diplomats-spy-UN-leaders.htmlShow nested quote +Hillary Clinton ordered American officials to spy on high ranking UN diplomats, including British representatives.
Top secret cables revealed that Mrs Clinton, the Secretary of State, even ordered diplomats to obtain DNA data – including iris scans and fingerprints - as well as credit card and frequent flier numbers.
All permanent members of the security council – including Russia, China, France and the UK – were targeted by the secret spying mission, as well as the Secretary General of the UN, Ban Ki-Moon.
Work schedules, email addresses, fax numbers, website identifiers and mobile numbers were also demanded by Washington.
The U.S. also wanted ‘biographic and biometric information on UN Security Council permanent representatives’.
The secret 'national human intelligence collection directive' was sent to embassies and consulates around the world.
The request could break international law and threatens to derail any trust between the U.S. and other powerful nations.
Requests for IT related information – such as details of passwords, personal encryption keys and network upgrades - could also raise suspicions that the U.S. was preparing to mount a hacking operation.
It is set to lead to international calls for Mrs Clinton to resign. [cont.]
Not likely that Clinton will resign but still...
Well she probably wouldn't resign unless under extreme pressure from the white house... which is possible... or it could be this will blow over in the "everybody does this" attitude.
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On November 29 2010 09:04 Elegy wrote:
Nothing (or very little) in these documents so far runs against what people already knew, by and large, to be true.
The unfortunate thing is that a great deal of anti-American sentiment will be stirred up by individuals reluctant to admit their own country's participation in some of these rather distasteful events/discussions revealed by this leak.
All this shows is that governments do things and hide them from public view to portray themselves in a more positive light, hardly a shocking or groundbreaking revelation by any means.
You don't go around with a sign around your neck saying you masturbate to threesome albino midget dominatrix porn, but we all know that at least some people do.
Did you know this? I for sure did not, and it's only a small part yet of what is to come
Basically the International Red Cross smuggled weapons into Lebanon...
The IRC again facilitated the entry of Qods force officers to Lebanon during the Israel-Hezbollah war in summer 2006. Although [NAME REMOVED] did not travel to Lebanon during the conflict, he reiterated that the only true IRC officers dispatched to Lebanon were [DETAILS REMOVED] all others were IRGC and MOIS officials. [NAME REMOVED] further said that the IRC shipments of medical supplies served also to facilitate weapons shipments. He said that IRC [DETAILS REMOVED] had seen missiles in the planes destined for Lebanon when delivering medical supplies to the plane. The plane was allegedly “half full” prior to the arrival of any medical supplies.
Another interesting document which people find being the most amusing of them all
A CAUCASUS WEDDING
http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2006/08/06MOSCOW9533.html
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Afghan president, Hamid Karzai: ‘driven by paranoia’ and ‘an extremely weak man who did not listen to facts but was instead easily swayed by anyone who came to report even the most bizarre stories or plots against him.
North Korean dictator Kim Jong-il: ‘flabby old chap’ who suffers from ‘physical and psychological trauma’
Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan: governs with ‘a cabal of incompetent advisors’
Russian President Dmitry Medvedev: ‘plays Robin to Putin’s Batman’ and is ‘pale and hesitant’
Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi: ‘feckless, vain and ineffective as a modern European leader’. He is a ‘physically and politically weak’ leader whose ‘frequent late nights and penchant for partying hard mean he does not get sufficient rest’
French President Nicolas Sarkozy: ‘has a thin-skinned and authoritarian personal style’ and is an ‘emperor with no clothes’
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United States22883 Posts
On November 29 2010 13:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:Show nested quote +
Afghan president, Hamid Karzai: ‘driven by paranoia’ and ‘an extremely weak man who did not listen to facts but was instead easily swayed by anyone who came to report even the most bizarre stories or plots against him.
Show nested quote +North Korean dictator Kim Jong-il: ‘flabby old chap’ who suffers from ‘physical and psychological trauma’ Show nested quote +Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan: governs with ‘a cabal of incompetent advisors’ Show nested quote +Russian President Dmitry Medvedev: ‘plays Robin to Putin’s Batman’ and is ‘pale and hesitant’ Show nested quote +
Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi: ‘feckless, vain and ineffective as a modern European leader’. He is a ‘physically and politically weak’ leader whose ‘frequent late nights and penchant for partying hard mean he does not get sufficient rest’
Show nested quote +
French President Nicolas Sarkozy: ‘has a thin-skinned and authoritarian personal style’ and is an ‘emperor with no clothes’
At least the evaluations were accurate.
Maybe this is all in the spirit of a drunk American Thanksgiving. Every family member gets to say what they really think.
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On November 29 2010 12:19 LSB wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333920/WikiLeaks-Hillary-Clinton-ordered-U-S-diplomats-spy-UN-leaders.htmlShow nested quote +Hillary Clinton ordered American officials to spy on high ranking UN diplomats, including British representatives.
Top secret cables revealed that Mrs Clinton, the Secretary of State, even ordered diplomats to obtain DNA data – including iris scans and fingerprints - as well as credit card and frequent flier numbers.
All permanent members of the security council – including Russia, China, France and the UK – were targeted by the secret spying mission, as well as the Secretary General of the UN, Ban Ki-Moon.
Work schedules, email addresses, fax numbers, website identifiers and mobile numbers were also demanded by Washington.
The U.S. also wanted ‘biographic and biometric information on UN Security Council permanent representatives’.
The secret 'national human intelligence collection directive' was sent to embassies and consulates around the world.
The request could break international law and threatens to derail any trust between the U.S. and other powerful nations.
Requests for IT related information – such as details of passwords, personal encryption keys and network upgrades - could also raise suspicions that the U.S. was preparing to mount a hacking operation.
It is set to lead to international calls for Mrs Clinton to resign. [cont.]
Not likely that Clinton will resign but still...
Didn't this happen with MI6 a while back?
I'm guessing it'll result in nothing at all because the UN has no teeth.
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http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2006/08/06MOSCOW9533.html
After Ramzan sped off, the dinner and drinking --
especially the latter -- continued. An Avar FSB colonel
sitting next to us, dead drunk, was highly insulted that we
would not allow him to add “cognac” to our wine. “It’s
practically the same thing,” he insisted, until a Russian FSB
general sitting opposite told him to drop it. We were
inclined to cut the Colonel some slack, though: he is head
of the unit to combat terrorism in Dagestan, and Gadzhi told
us that extremists have sooner or later assassinated everyone
who has joined that unit. We were more worried when an
Afghan war buddy of the Colonel’s, Rector of the Dagestan
University Law School and too drunk to sit, let alone stand,
pulled out his automatic and asked if we needed any
protection. At this point Gadzhi and his people came over,
propped the rector between their shoulders, and let us get
out of range.
I want to get into government work.
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this is ...amazing
there's this article where the president of yemen is basically talking like a mafia boss to general petraeus and his vp jokes about lying to the parliament about usa missions run under yemen colors
link
how can some people think this is not important? proof is absolutely important, and this is proof for so many things speculated by many but denied by the governments...
for example, i cant even consider what kind of arguments hillary clinton could offer so as not to resign, the orders for espionage against the UN members have her name on it
if this happened during the cold war, russia would have a good excuse to ask for the UN to be moved to moscow or something, now that would be fun wouldnt it, no usa espionage there guys!
just too much info to digest
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America doing the bombing in Yemen is not really a secret.
Clinton probably won't have to resign because every other country does it too.
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Lol I can't even get on wikileaks anymore, I don't understand what the deal is here, must be some kind of prevention.
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On November 29 2010 10:18 Krigwin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 09:51 b_unnies wrote:
How about you tell me something that I didn't know before I read this article? You "knew" all of this stuff before the article came out? Like, knew knew? Knew all of the dates, the times, the names of the people involved, the locations? Knew all of the situations, the wider contexts, the plans and operations made beforehand? You knew all of that before you read this article? ...Have you considered a career in counter-espionage? With your amazing prophetic abilities, I think you'd be a great asset to national security.
I have thought about it before, I've always been interested in that line of work
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Germany / USA16648 Posts
this new release should probably be talked about in a different thread
at any rate the evaluation of german politicians is pretty accurate. so I guess you could say the people writing those reports did mostly decent work. much of it is really obvious though
some of the saudi ones etc are more interesting
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On November 29 2010 14:23 Nitan wrote:
America doing the bombing in Yemen is not really a secret.
Clinton probably won't have to resign because every other country does it too.
It might not be a secret, but it might as well be considering the buzz it's making in the news.
Which is to say, none.
The general US population remains blissfully ignorant and apathetic. If I were to IM someone right now and tell them, hey, did you know that the US [insert atrocity here]? I'd get a .___. okay.
The only way Clinton would be forced to resign would be if the Republicans decided to make a big deal out of it, not because it's against their morals or anything like that, but because it's an excuse to discredit the other party.
..Americans. I've been here my whole life and it still saddens me..
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So many people are going to die because of this for years to come.
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On November 29 2010 15:50 ReaverDrop! wrote:
Lol I can't even get on wikileaks anymore, I don't understand what the deal is here, must be some kind of prevention.
DDOS attack.
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On November 29 2010 18:02 Carnac wrote:
this new release should probably be talked about in a different thread
at any rate the evaluation of german politicians is pretty accurate. so I guess you could say the people writing those reports did mostly decent work. much of it is really obvious though
some of the saudi ones etc are more interesting
I was rather disappointed with the sketches reported so far. It's in the Anglo-Saxon tradition to sketch physical traits into the profile of the person they're trying to depict. At it's best, the conclusions about a person can be subtly discerned from those descriptions. These portraits were done by rough and rushed hands.
The allusion to Batman and Robin was funny, but doesn't really match well. Why not Bismarck and Wilhelm I? 
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DDOS attacks just means that it's a threat and if it's a threat, that means it's serious stuff they didn't want getting out, which means this stuff is relevant.
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On November 29 2010 18:02 Carnac wrote:
this new release should probably be talked about in a different thread
at any rate the evaluation of german politicians is pretty accurate. so I guess you could say the people writing those reports did mostly decent work. much of it is really obvious though
some of the saudi ones etc are more interesting
Yeah, I agree, I've never read a better classification of our so called "Foreighn Minister" Westerwelle.
The swap I gave it so far didn't relieve that much of surprises, I think most of the oppinions is common sense that would not be said out loud at a dinner party.
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All in all, this news is not surprising at all... all governments, especially the United States, have corruption and secret agendas one way or another. When it comes down to it, self interest of country and rich/business/political greed overtakes what common sense the normal populace has.
To be frank though, I dislike Wikileaks. It releases information on a whim, and it does censor its material (despite claiming it does not), and all I see is anarchy at its finest. Every country has its pile of poo. I was discussing this with my family over Thanksgiving, if there was a WWIII eventually because of Wikileaks, I would just laugh. But I wouldn't worry about that now, I'd plan later if it came to that. All in all, I try to keep the stupidity of government out of my daily life (even if I constantly monitor world relationships.)
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