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On November 29 2010 09:00 lowercase wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 08:47 Rflcrx wrote:On November 29 2010 08:08 lowercase wrote:
There is just so much stuff to read, it will really require a collective effort to sort through it all. I'm really looking forward to reading Spiegel this week. why would a canadian waste his money on an inferior source, even paying for it, when better content is available for free?! I'm not paying for Spiegel, I can read it online. The Guardian in the UK and some others are also trying to distill the information for us a bit... whether you can trust it, or not, is up to you. I think the best analysis will, as usual, come from the least biased news source I know of: Al Jazeera.
spiegel has lost lots of quality, it doesn't really beat the guardian, it is actually worse.
I am reading nyt. not saying they arent biased, but the beauty of it is: I can check because if have the source as well.
oh and the spiegel releases epapers for money. the for free stuff is just..really small (the paid stuff isn't worth it though).
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On November 29 2010 09:13 Jibba wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 09:10 Somi wrote:On November 29 2010 07:47 Bartuc wrote:On November 29 2010 07:31 Nizaris wrote:On November 29 2010 07:16 Yttrasil wrote:http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/Here you can find many of the documents released and more to come http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10STATE17263.htmlThis document for example really got my interest, about the missile development in North Korea and Iran, a meeting between the US and Russia discussing their capabilities. I will have fun in the next few months, especially reading documents from my own country Sweden =) fairly interesting document especially the part saying the russians believe pakistan is more of a threat then NK or Iran. Since they already have the nukes and the delivery systems and it would be feasible for a terrorist to infiltrate their facilities. + Show Spoiler +¶62. (S) Korolev noted that while the focus of the discussions
had been on the missile threats from North Korea and Iran,
Russia did not think discussion should be limited to only
those threats from Iran and North Korea. In the Russian
view, there is another serious threat that should be
discussed: Pakistan. Pakistan is a nation with nuclear
weapons, various delivery systems, and a domestic situation
that is highly unstable. Russia assesses that Islamists are
not only seeking power in Pakistan but are also trying to get
their hands on nuclear materials. That is actually a scary thought, the Taliban gaining political control in Pakistan and attaining the entire nuclear program of the country. Yea, there's a big RED button on the warheads that says "Enter Target Coordinates and Press me" Don't worry, if the Taliban or other extremists even come close, the Indian army will be inside your borders before you even know it. Cue WW3!
Not really, took them months to assemble on the border last time :/. Better off depending on US/NATO Special forces than Indian Army. Even I'd prefer we hand over the nukes to NATO than Taliban getting hold of them which itself is an extremely-off scenario.
For sake of discussion, even if you get your hands on a Nuclear device or material, you cant just simply explode it to cause nuclear reaction, Taliban or Russian assessment to deflect the fact that all missile tech to Iran or NK chains back to them simply cannot change the basic law of physics. Fact is other than hundreds and thousands protecting the Nuclear infrastructure, dissamballed warheads with parts hundreds of miles away during peace time vis a vis India, secure keys and all key processes to bring several parts together into a warhead stage and its activation requires concurrent authorization by 3 people. (3-men rule, I Beleive US has 2-men rule) Affairs or nukes are not really as simple as they appears on Hollywood or Starcraft  .
The political and military infrastructure are in place, perhaps the democratic structures would have been more stronger if the dictators didn't had an easier ride thanks to support from a specific country 
Anyways, whats the thoughts with those Hot Ukrainian nurses in Libya? ;D
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On November 29 2010 08:39 darmousseh wrote:
I think the countries most hurt by this leak are not the US, but are countries like Saudi Arabia, China, Turkey, France, Italy, and the uk.
Why ?
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I don't really see how much of this is useful. Anyone with half a brain would guess that diplomats are frank when it comes to things like this, it's no surprise to see their terms of reference/attitude; all it does is harm the US because they're the ones exposed when really everyone almost certainly does it and it doesn't matter anyway.
A couple of things are quite interesting (like the biometric UN data stuff) but really, just a waste of time and far too many and important negative effects to outweigh the few benefits.
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On November 29 2010 09:20 Boblion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 08:39 darmousseh wrote:
I think the countries most hurt by this leak are not the US, but are countries like Saudi Arabia, China, Turkey, France, Italy, and the uk.
Why ?
Well, these documents show the games being played behind the scenes. The entire world already thinks that the US is putting pressure on foreign nations for it's own interests, but it seems like the US is simply colluding with other nations to get their interests solved as well.
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On November 29 2010 09:17 Somi wrote:The political and military infrastructure are in place, perhaps the democratic structures would have been more stronger if the dictators didn't had an easier ride thanks to support from a specific country Capitalism, yo. Don't worry, I'm sure the Centaurus will make up for the corruption, violence and instability.
I'd actually be more worried about a mishap during testing than any intentional usage. At least in the US, our operators become paralyzed when they have to activate nuclear weapons.
Anyways, whats the thoughts with those Hot Ukrainian nurses in Libya? ;D It's good to be the king.
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On November 29 2010 09:26 oYsteR wrote:
I don't really see how much of this is useful. Anyone with half a brain would guess that diplomats are frank when it comes to things like this, it's no surprise to see their terms of reference/attitude; all it does is harm the US because they're the ones exposed when really everyone almost certainly does it and it doesn't matter anyway.
A couple of things are quite interesting (like the biometric UN data stuff) but really, just a waste of time and far too many and important negative effects to outweigh the few benefits.
Just because none of the stuff was surprising, in the sense that it was contrary to our intuition, doesn't really mean was useless.
There's a world of difference between speculation and a confirmed fact. For instance, while only a fool might have thought that China wasn't behind the attacks on Google, having that confirmed changes the pretense for discussion entirely.
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On November 29 2010 09:04 wadadde wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 08:48 b_unnies wrote:
to be honest the only thing i didnt know was US bribing other countries to take its prisoners You eye-balled some article, and concluded that that was the only thing you didn't already 'know'? I don't think you're really being honest with yourself. Personally, I'm interested in the analysis of the more relevant aspects of the leak. It's so unfortunate that there don't seem to be any files from the US embassy in my country. Maybe I just missed it. Anyways, fun stuff.
How about you tell me something that I didn't know before I read this article?
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On November 29 2010 09:51 b_unnies wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2010 09:04 wadadde wrote:On November 29 2010 08:48 b_unnies wrote:
to be honest the only thing i didnt know was US bribing other countries to take its prisoners You eye-balled some article, and concluded that that was the only thing you didn't already 'know'? I don't think you're really being honest with yourself. Personally, I'm interested in the analysis of the more relevant aspects of the leak. It's so unfortunate that there don't seem to be any files from the US embassy in my country. Maybe I just missed it. Anyways, fun stuff. How about you tell me something that I didn't know before I read this article?
You couldn't have known a lot of that stuff, assuming you're a civilian. You meant that you "speculated" about them prior to this, but in terms of mass politics, there's a world of difference between "speculation" and "fact".
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how about you proof us something that you did know before you read the article. with a credible source linking to the facts you already knew.
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On November 29 2010 09:51 b_unnies wrote:
How about you tell me something that I didn't know before I read this article?
You "knew" all of this stuff before the article came out? Like, knew knew? Knew all of the dates, the times, the names of the people involved, the locations? Knew all of the situations, the wider contexts, the plans and operations made beforehand? You knew all of that before you read this article?
...Have you considered a career in counter-espionage? With your amazing prophetic abilities, I think you'd be a great asset to national security.
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The Italian Foreign Minister said that this will be "the 9/11 of diplomacy" as those documents will critically undermine trust among countries.
Regardless of whether the leaks actually say something new or not, from a historic perspective this stuff is truly amazing.
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The Guardian, which is one of a number of newspapers to have advance sight of the 250,000 classified documents released by the whistle-blower website, said they included criticisms of David Cameron and of British military operations in Afghanistan.
The document, however, gave no details of the claims concerning the member of the British royal family or of the requests for intelligence about MPs.
The criticisms about British operations in Iraq were however said to be "devastating", while the remarks concerning Mr Cameron were described as "serious political criticisms".
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin is described as "alpha dog" and the cables are said to detail alleged links between the government in Moscow and organised crime.
Afghan President Hamid Karzai was said to be "driven by paranoia" while German Chancellor Angela Merkel "avoids risks and is rarely creative". Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is compared to Hitler.
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Can someone please link me the part that makes them think Turkey "lost prestige" about these leaks, because I read and read can't find anything relates to our goverment and their cables.
Not so much I heard this but time to time I read this in Israeli newspapers and hear it here too, what is the matter exactly?
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Well, the man is certainly odd but he knows his business.
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Wait, this is the guy who has the all-women bodyguard unit right?
That man is a champion amongst dictators, he is living every lonely nerd's dream right there.
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On November 29 2010 12:01 Krigwin wrote:Wait, this is the guy who has the all-women bodyguard unit right? That man is a champion amongst dictators, he is living every lonely nerd's dream right there.
Yes, his apparently all virgin, all female bodyguard unit.
He travels everywhere with a voluptuous blonde Ukranian nurse.
He prefers not to fly over water.
He enjoys horse racing and flamenco.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333920/WikiLeaks-Hillary-Clinton-ordered-U-S-diplomats-spy-UN-leaders.html
Hillary Clinton ordered American officials to spy on high ranking UN diplomats, including British representatives.
Top secret cables revealed that Mrs Clinton, the Secretary of State, even ordered diplomats to obtain DNA data – including iris scans and fingerprints - as well as credit card and frequent flier numbers.
All permanent members of the security council – including Russia, China, France and the UK – were targeted by the secret spying mission, as well as the Secretary General of the UN, Ban Ki-Moon.
Work schedules, email addresses, fax numbers, website identifiers and mobile numbers were also demanded by Washington.
The U.S. also wanted ‘biographic and biometric information on UN Security Council permanent representatives’.
The secret 'national human intelligence collection directive' was sent to embassies and consulates around the world.
The request could break international law and threatens to derail any trust between the U.S. and other powerful nations.
Requests for IT related information – such as details of passwords, personal encryption keys and network upgrades - could also raise suspicions that the U.S. was preparing to mount a hacking operation.
It is set to lead to international calls for Mrs Clinton to resign. [cont.]
Not likely that Clinton will resign but still...
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