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lightrise
Profile Joined March 2008
United States1355 Posts
November 29 2010 13:56 GMT
#561
Yeah i agree there needs to be another thread for this new release. I also have a major paper due Wednesday and i think im going to write about Julian Assange for it. The paper is about how people label individuals as monsters and what that does for the society as a whole. Assange seems like the perfect topic in the last year for this sort of paper. I cant think of anyone else that has been cast in a poor light quite like he has.
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Tergeron
Profile Joined February 2010
United States66 Posts
November 29 2010 14:08 GMT
#562
On November 29 2010 22:56 lightrise wrote:
Yeah i agree there needs to be another thread for this new release. I also have a major paper due Wednesday and i think im going to write about Julian Assange for it. The paper is about how people label individuals as monsters and what that does for the society as a whole. Assange seems like the perfect topic in the last year for this sort of paper. I cant think of anyone else that has been cast in a poor light quite like he has.


Talk about perfect timing, though I don't know if people go so far as to call him a monster.
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REDBLUEGREEN
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Germany1903 Posts
November 29 2010 14:10 GMT
#563
On November 29 2010 22:56 lightrise wrote:
Yeah i agree there needs to be another thread for this new release. I also have a major paper due Wednesday and i think im going to write about Julian Assange for it. The paper is about how people label individuals as monsters and what that does for the society as a whole. Assange seems like the perfect topic in the last year for this sort of paper. I cant think of anyone else that has been cast in a poor light quite like he has.

He is labeled a monster in the US? Over here I only read positive stuff and he is more regarded as a hero of journalism.
Besides the rape stuff, but no one believes that here, everyone suspects the CIA or some other intelligence service behind it.
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
November 29 2010 14:17 GMT
#564
On November 29 2010 23:08 Tergeron wrote:
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On November 29 2010 22:56 lightrise wrote:
Yeah i agree there needs to be another thread for this new release. I also have a major paper due Wednesday and i think im going to write about Julian Assange for it. The paper is about how people label individuals as monsters and what that does for the society as a whole. Assange seems like the perfect topic in the last year for this sort of paper. I cant think of anyone else that has been cast in a poor light quite like he has.


Talk about perfect timing, though I don't know if people go so far as to call him a monster.


They made up fake rape charges to attempt to ruin his name. Arguably worse.
Rflcrx
Profile Joined October 2010
503 Posts
November 29 2010 14:23 GMT
#565
On November 29 2010 17:17 b_unnies wrote:
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On November 29 2010 10:18 Krigwin wrote:
On November 29 2010 09:51 b_unnies wrote:
How about you tell me something that I didn't know before I read this article?

You "knew" all of this stuff before the article came out? Like, knew knew? Knew all of the dates, the times, the names of the people involved, the locations? Knew all of the situations, the wider contexts, the plans and operations made beforehand? You knew all of that before you read this article?


...Have you considered a career in counter-espionage? With your amazing prophetic abilities, I think you'd be a great asset to national security.


I have thought about it before, I've always been interested in that line of work


Classic case of Hindsight bias.
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
November 29 2010 14:57 GMT
#566
so in few hours there will be lot of documents about Korea released, should be interesting
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B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
November 29 2010 15:18 GMT
#567
i dont really understand why ppl feel the burning desire to undermine their own governments..
Railxp
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Hong Kong1313 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 15:25:21
November 29 2010 15:23 GMT
#568
On November 30 2010 00:18 B.I.G. wrote:
i dont really understand why ppl feel the burning desire to undermine their own governments..


for the same reason a farm animal might hate it's farmer.

i suppose you are one of those chickens who doesn't mind loosing her eggs all the time since she gets fed and is protected by a fence.
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DannyJ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States5110 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 15:32:18
November 29 2010 15:27 GMT
#569
On November 29 2010 13:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
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Afghan president, Hamid Karzai: ‘driven by paranoia’ and ‘an extremely weak man who did not listen to facts but was instead easily swayed by anyone who came to report even the most bizarre stories or plots against him.



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North Korean dictator Kim Jong-il: ‘flabby old chap’ who suffers from ‘physical and psychological trauma’


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Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan: governs with ‘a cabal of incompetent advisors’


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Russian President Dmitry Medvedev: ‘plays Robin to Putin’s Batman’ and is ‘pale and hesitant’


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Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi: ‘feckless, vain and ineffective as a modern European leader’. He is a ‘physically and politically weak’ leader whose ‘frequent late nights and penchant for partying hard mean he does not get sufficient rest’


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French President Nicolas Sarkozy: ‘has a thin-skinned and authoritarian personal style’ and is an ‘emperor with no clothes’



Haha i think those descriptions are universally agreed upon.

Anyway, these leaks are basically just embarrassing, not really damaging.
VIB
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Brazil3567 Posts
November 29 2010 16:07 GMT
#570
On November 29 2010 23:57 ondik wrote:
so in few hours there will be lot of documents about Korea released, should be interesting
Where did you get this from?
Great people talk about ideas. Average people talk about things. Small people talk about other people.
yellowmoe
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada59 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 16:25:22
November 29 2010 16:24 GMT
#571
On November 29 2010 23:08 Tergeron wrote:
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On November 29 2010 22:56 lightrise wrote:
Yeah i agree there needs to be another thread for this new release. I also have a major paper due Wednesday and i think im going to write about Julian Assange for it. The paper is about how people label individuals as monsters and what that does for the society as a whole. Assange seems like the perfect topic in the last year for this sort of paper. I cant think of anyone else that has been cast in a poor light quite like he has.


Talk about perfect timing, though I don't know if people go so far as to call him a monster.


You're right, they call him the leader of a terrorist group instead.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1334112/WikiLeaks-chief-face-criminal-charges-U-S-congressman-says-website-classed-terrorist-organisation.html
Gnosis
Profile Joined December 2008
Scotland912 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 16:28:06
November 29 2010 16:26 GMT
#572
On November 30 2010 00:27 DannyJ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 13:14 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:

Afghan president, Hamid Karzai: ‘driven by paranoia’ and ‘an extremely weak man who did not listen to facts but was instead easily swayed by anyone who came to report even the most bizarre stories or plots against him.



North Korean dictator Kim Jong-il: ‘flabby old chap’ who suffers from ‘physical and psychological trauma’


Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan: governs with ‘a cabal of incompetent advisors’


Russian President Dmitry Medvedev: ‘plays Robin to Putin’s Batman’ and is ‘pale and hesitant’



Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi: ‘feckless, vain and ineffective as a modern European leader’. He is a ‘physically and politically weak’ leader whose ‘frequent late nights and penchant for partying hard mean he does not get sufficient rest’



French President Nicolas Sarkozy: ‘has a thin-skinned and authoritarian personal style’ and is an ‘emperor with no clothes’



Haha i think those descriptions are universally agreed upon.

Anyway, these leaks are basically just embarrassing, not really damaging.


Embarrassment is damage. Anyway, reminds me of the dialogue Robert Redford had at the end of 'Three Days of the Condor' (appeasement vs. desperation).
"Reason is flawless, de jure, but reasoners are not, de facto." – Peter Kreeft
Offhand
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1869 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 16:35:21
November 29 2010 16:34 GMT
#573
On November 30 2010 00:18 B.I.G. wrote:
i dont really understand why ppl feel the burning desire to undermine their own governments..


Do you prefer a world where things happen behind a curtain and you can continue living your nice safe, middle class life? You don't want to acknowledge that it comes at the cost of maintaining third world shitholes for oil/resources/slave labor so you can continue buying shit.

Yeah it would be awful if white people made that realization.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-29 16:35:47
November 29 2010 16:35 GMT
#574
On November 29 2010 23:10 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Besides the rape stuff, but no one believes that here, everyone suspects the CIA or some other intelligence service behind it.

I think this is an interesting thing to bring up. Aside from the stuff about his quirky behavior covered in the NYT, my perception of people's opinions in the US is that he's positively viewed and that the rape allegations are false. Is that the same read other people have from their area/region?

Even among older conservative Americans, there's a residual feeling from Daniel Ellsberg/Woodward and the like, so they don't view it as betrayal or treasonous.
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ghen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1356 Posts
November 29 2010 16:36 GMT
#575
I could care less that the leaks seem to be targeted at the US (hint: the US has more to leak). I'd rather have a whistleblower website dedicated to the US anyway as I want my government to stop being so damn secretive! There's a reason why the world hates us.

I love my country, the freedoms citizenry grants and (most of) the regulations created to protect me. But our foreign affairs are abysmal and ruins the chance of a peaceful world right from the start.
Nitan
Profile Joined September 2008
United States3401 Posts
November 29 2010 17:16 GMT
#576
On November 30 2010 01:35 Jibba wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 29 2010 23:10 REDBLUEGREEN wrote:
Besides the rape stuff, but no one believes that here, everyone suspects the CIA or some other intelligence service behind it.

I think this is an interesting thing to bring up. Aside from the stuff about his quirky behavior covered in the NYT, my perception of people's opinions in the US is that he's positively viewed and that the rape allegations are false. Is that the same read other people have from their area/region?

Even among older conservative Americans, there's a residual feeling from Daniel Ellsberg/Woodward and the like, so they don't view it as betrayal or treasonous.


I think he's a douche and innocent before proven guilty.

Most people in the US don't know who he is at all and are probably quite amused that US diplomats don't like Canada either.
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Krigwin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
1130 Posts
November 29 2010 17:18 GMT
#577
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45667.html
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2010/11/29/Lieberman-WikiLeaks-action-despicable/UPI-79631291032512/

WikiLeaks should be declared a "foreign terrorist organization", says incoming House Homeland Security Committee chairman Rep. Peter King, who wants the Obama administration to "aggressively" go after Assange and WikiLeaks. Likewise Senate Homeland Security Committee chairman, Sen. Joe Lieberman, declares the leak "despicable" and calls for the Obama administration, in collaboration with foreign governments, to "use all legal means necessary to shut down WikiLeaks".

Seems like everyone is having their feathers ruffled. Even Palin is getting in on the action.
DisBabylonSystem
Profile Joined October 2010
56 Posts
November 29 2010 17:20 GMT
#578
Us is already trying to cover it up by saving this guy who came out with the Wikileaks is indangering us, when just letting us know what really going on.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
November 29 2010 17:25 GMT
#579
On November 30 2010 00:23 Railxp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 30 2010 00:18 B.I.G. wrote:
i dont really understand why ppl feel the burning desire to undermine their own governments..


for the same reason a farm animal might hate it's farmer.

i suppose you are one of those chickens who doesn't mind loosing her eggs all the time since she gets fed and is protected by a fence.


hahaha lovely analogy
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trulla
Profile Joined February 2010
Chile303 Posts
November 29 2010 17:30 GMT
#580
People in the U.S should really start worrying about what their government is doing outside the country. You just can't be so blind and live your happy life at the cost of millions people in thrid world countries that are actually in an unjustified war, or working as slaves.

Mr Assange is a brave man, a real hero of our time if you ask me.
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