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AgentMulder
United States54 Posts
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Pioneer
994 Posts
Was expecting something more damaging. On November 29 2010 03:46 VIB wrote: If the "Government" was half competent as you imply, we wouldn't have this other topic floating around: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=156459 They're still under attack and are not sure if they'll be able to keep the website up for the upcomming release in the next few days. But they've already said that major newspapers around the globe will receive the reports even if the site is down. *sigh* Yes the most technologically advanced military in the world, with tons of individuals who's sole job is to infiltrate or take down various systems can't launch a DDOS attack. OK | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
Some of the examples would be the rumor of the Libyan leader fucking his nurse, the royal family's problems, and in 250,000 documents I'm sure there are many more less-than-flattering comments. Rather than sift through the documents and release ones that are actually important, they release all of them just to say they aren't holding anything back. Largely though... all stupid. Nothing I've seen so far has been shocking or even overly interest. Not to call it much ado about nothing, but that isn't far off. As other outlets sift though these documents perhaps something interesting or important will come up. | ||
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HansMoleman
United States343 Posts
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McDonalds
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
On November 29 2010 05:54 xBillehx wrote: ^ I agree. I was expecting some true "earth shattering" leaks. Maybe not all of it has been sifted through yet but none of what's currently released really surprises me. Hell, this guy is so anit-American I was expecting some serious shit to be released the first day. Get over yourselves. Really. The purpose of the site is not GOTCHA politics. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On November 29 2010 06:30 McDonalds wrote: Get over yourselves. Really. The purpose of the site is not GOTCHA politics. It might not be the site's mandate, but that is essentially what these documents are. I will reserve final judgment when there has been even more dissemination of the data, but I doubt there will be anything noteworthy in it. | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7031 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + B) Covert Measures: Dagan and the Under Secretary agreed not to discuss this approach in the larger group setting. | ||
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Reggiegigas
234 Posts
It will fuck up relations the US has worked for decades to build up. It will reinforce a lot of anti-US sentiment in the world. A lot of people view the US as being pompous and full of themselves and this certainly gives them fuel to the fire. | ||
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
Here you can find many of the documents released and more to come http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10STATE17263.html This document for example really got my interest, about the missile development in North Korea and Iran, a meeting between the US and Russia discussing their capabilities. I will have fun in the next few months, especially reading documents from my own country Sweden =) | ||
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Too_MuchZerg
Finland2818 Posts
On November 29 2010 07:16 Yttrasil wrote: http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/ Here you can find many of the documents released and more to come http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10STATE17263.html This document for example really got my interest, about the missile development in North Korea and Iran, a meeting between the US and Russia discussing their capabilities. I will have fun in the next few months, especially reading documents from my own country Sweden =) Lol starting to read Finland stuff when those are released. Should be hilarious, I guess nothing conserning though | ||
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On November 29 2010 07:16 Yttrasil wrote: http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/ Here you can find many of the documents released and more to come http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10STATE17263.html This document for example really got my interest, about the missile development in North Korea and Iran, a meeting between the US and Russia discussing their capabilities. I will have fun in the next few months, especially reading documents from my own country Sweden =) fairly interesting document especially the part saying the russians believe pakistan is more of a threat then NK or Iran. Since they already have the nukes and the delivery systems and it would be feasible for a terrorist to infiltrate their facilities. + Show Spoiler + ¶62. (S) Korolev noted that while the focus of the discussions had been on the missile threats from North Korea and Iran, Russia did not think discussion should be limited to only those threats from Iran and North Korea. In the Russian view, there is another serious threat that should be discussed: Pakistan. Pakistan is a nation with nuclear weapons, various delivery systems, and a domestic situation that is highly unstable. Russia assesses that Islamists are not only seeking power in Pakistan but are also trying to get their hands on nuclear materials. | ||
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Bartuc
Netherlands629 Posts
On November 29 2010 07:31 Nizaris wrote: fairly interesting document especially the part saying the russians believe pakistan is more of a threat then NK or Iran. Since they already have the nukes and the delivery systems and it would be feasible for a terrorist to infiltrate their facilities. + Show Spoiler + ¶62. (S) Korolev noted that while the focus of the discussions had been on the missile threats from North Korea and Iran, Russia did not think discussion should be limited to only those threats from Iran and North Korea. In the Russian view, there is another serious threat that should be discussed: Pakistan. Pakistan is a nation with nuclear weapons, various delivery systems, and a domestic situation that is highly unstable. Russia assesses that Islamists are not only seeking power in Pakistan but are also trying to get their hands on nuclear materials. That is actually a scary thought, the Taliban gaining political control in Pakistan and attaining the entire nuclear program of the country. | ||
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Rflcrx
503 Posts
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sylverfyre
United States8298 Posts
That said, its existence is pretty disgusting to me - NO SHIT governments have secrets that they don't want the general public to know, and the content of much of those secrets can be used against them in more ways than one. This opinion coming from someone who has picketed against the war in Afganistan (and still strongly opposes it) As for the DDOS on wikileaks, I'm willing to bet its some random dude on the internet who did it for kicks. | ||
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Rflcrx
503 Posts
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Yttrasil
Sweden651 Posts
Edit: http://twitter.com/#!/th3j35t3r This is seemingly the person doing the DDOS attacks, some soldier in the US or so... Some other highlights from a Swedish forum that might be interesting to some people cable 07TELAVIV2652 "In an August 17 meeting, Israeli Mossad Chief Meir Dagan thanked Under Secretary Burns for America's support of Israel as evidenced by the previous day's signing of an MOU that provides Israel with USD 30 billion in security assistance from 2008-2018." "Dagan said he agreed with this approach, stressing that the threat of radical Islam is real." SUBJECT: QATAR,S PRIME MINISTER ON IRAN: "THEY LIE TO US; WE LIE TO THEM." According to HBJ, the GOQ tells Iran that it should "listen to the West,s proposal or there will be military action. If not by the U.S., then by the Israelis by the middle of next year." https://www.flashback.org/leave.php?u=http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/12/09DOHA728.html Something on germany, don't really understand the extent of it but might be interesting for them cable 08BERLIN122 "COUNTERTERRORISM: Building on Success ¶11. (C) Your visit comes at a time when U.S.-German bilateral cooperation on security issues is as close as it has ever been. The successful cooperation surrounding the September 4 arrests of three individuals planning large-scale attacks and the upcoming conclusion of a new bilateral agreement on fingerprint, DNA and other data sharing are the latest evidence of this trend. Furthermore, no German senior official pushes as hard, or argues so publicly, for closer bilateral cooperation on security issues as Interior Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble. Should the opportunity arise, you should inform German officials that we are eager to build on our successful record of counterterrorism cooperation and explore how we might work together to address threats such as European residents who seek terrorist training at overseas camps and become jihadists in Iraq or Afghanistan. " On Oman Hadas reiterated the point he had made to Feltman regarding Oman, calling the Omanis the "most problematic" of the Gulf states in terms of their view of Iran. With regard to Omani contacts with Israel, Hadas said they were "correct," but the Omanis never fulfilled their commitment to open an Israeli office in Muscat. He said Oman has "its own definition" of what poses a threat to the Gulf, partly due to Oman's geographical location. He did not think Oman would be willing to join the rest of the GCC against Iran. Nato/France and it's future role, was quite interesting http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2010/02/10PARIS170.html "¶20. (S/NF) SecDef replied that U.S. concerns were not about military capacity but about messaging. Some allies, because of their past experiences, are still very concerned with Russia and are not sure how much to trust the West. SecDef observed that Russian democracy has disappeared and the government was an oligarchy run by the security services. President Medvedev has a more pragmatic vision for Russia than PM Putin, but there has been little real change. " If all this is from 220 documents out of 2xxxxx I can't wait for what is to come | ||
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Slow Motion
United States6960 Posts
Although I admit not finding out we've been hiding aliens at Area 51 is a little disappointing. | ||
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lowercase
Canada1047 Posts
On November 29 2010 06:28 I_Love_Bacon wrote: Of the things I've read so far, this just seems like political cheap shots that can lead to volatility. Most of these are candid reports from one agency or person to another. In bringing them to light, all it does is play to insult those who said and those who are spoken about. Transparency is generally good, but that doesn't mean the removal of secrecy all together. Some of the examples would be the rumor of the Libyan leader fucking his nurse, the royal family's problems, and in 250,000 documents I'm sure there are many more less-than-flattering comments. Rather than sift through the documents and release ones that are actually important, they release all of them just to say they aren't holding anything back. Largely though... all stupid. Nothing I've seen so far has been shocking or even overly interest. Not to call it much ado about nothing, but that isn't far off. As other outlets sift though these documents perhaps something interesting or important will come up. I found the use of US embassies across the world as spying operations to be pretty shocking, personally. Collecting DNA, fingerprints, and passwords? Jesus, if you 're not shocked by that, what will shock you? There is just so much stuff to read, it will really require a collective effort to sort through it all. I'm really looking forward to reading Spiegel this week. | ||
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Mohdoo
United States15721 Posts
I just feel silly now for always being so critical of the US/Israel. NK and Iran working together certainly constitutes military strength. The world is obviously a much scarier place than we thought. | ||
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Slaughter
United States20254 Posts
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