EPTThe more you know the more pissed off you become.
Wikileaks - Page 23
| Forum Index > General Forum |
|
Khaymus
United States750 Posts
The more you know the more pissed off you become. | ||
|
ProTech_MediC
United States498 Posts
On November 27 2010 09:28 Khaymus wrote: People truly do not understand that they would be better off not know what goes on in their government/wars. The more you know the more pissed off you become. Spoken like a true Aristocrat. | ||
|
Tuwy
Netherlands113 Posts
On November 27 2010 03:34 Nizaris wrote: Can't wait for this new data release. should be fairly interesting if ppl say countries are gonna be embarrassed. Hopefully now Turkey won't ever be added in the EU for supporting Al Qaeda. Glad this website exists because i doubt the US would have said anything. Assange hwaiting!! Who would want to join the sinking ship called Europe? In fact, Europa desperately wants and needs Turkey to join them. Thank god Turkey is wise enough to make better friends. With countries that are in the rising and whom will be way more beneficial to Turkey than Europe could ever be (China, Russia, Brazil, India etc.). Also it's quite funny how gullible people like you are. A few propaganda websites posts articles with headlines stating that "Turkey aided Al Qaeda" and that's enough for people like you to immediately believe that and start spreading the news. Here let me help you out a bit, let's take this article from The Jerusalem Post shall we (funny that these articles originated from Israel btw, the country that's getting a hard time from Turkey for all the crimes they're committing). A quote from the article, which supposedly is a quote from Al-Hayat, which again is supposedly a quote from Wikileaks (I know a guy who knows a guy who knows this dude who said that..): "One of the documents, a US military report, reportedly charges Turkey with failing to control its borders, because Iraqi citizens residing in Turkey provided al-Qaida with supplies to build bombs, guns and ammunition." What do we read there? Iraqi citizens, not Turkish citizens, not the Turkish government, nothing to do with Turkey at all except the fact that these people were residing in Turkey. Fun fact about that is that almost all the Iraqi citizens residing in and near Turkey are Kurdish. Guess what the rebel organization called PKK is composed off? Let's take a look at the same article again: "The newspaper also reported that the US helped the PKK, a Kurdish rebel organization." Oh so the US actually helps this rebel organization, hmm interesting. So basically if you still want to believe these articles (you obviously would), the US aided the PKK who aided Al Qaeda. All this happened while Turkey has been busy dealing with the PKK for ages. You know what else is funny? This video and many other articles floating around indicates that it's the Mossad (Israel) that's training these rebel fighters. But of course, you don't care. Why would you? Your thought process is like this: "Muslim bad! Bad Muslim! You Muslim, you bad!" | ||
|
mvpAKAenvyME
Canada179 Posts
Go canada. | ||
|
RBF
Zimbabwe3 Posts
On November 26 2010 18:09 Acid~ wrote: When you don't know what you're talking about, maybe you should just say nothing. Why don't you educate yourself on Al-Jazeera before spouting ignorant sarcastic remarks ? Yeah you're right, I apologize..a news agency having a slant, how preposterous that sounds. Your convincing and well presented points have persuaded me to see the light, Al-Jazeera is actually a truth-seeking collective of objective freelance reporters working for free. http://honestreporting.com/articles/critiques/NY_Times_Rebalances_Al_Jazeera.asp Al-Jazeera has cultivated a reputation for being objective. They are more subtle than say, lolfoxnews, but with many major networks like fox news you know what their bias is. Al-Jazeera wants to present itself as a beacon of truth. Their antisemite/anti-US agenda, however, is obvious if you've tuned in for more than a few seconds (either Arabic or English branch). More than that, they just plain spread hate by selectively picking and choosing current events that would draw the ire of muslims. That's not objective broadcasting. You shouldn't jump to conclusions that because I don't mindlessly accept the word of AJ/AJE that I hate Islam. How many children north of Saudi Arabia have you personally given medical aid to? Wait, maybe I shouldn't jump to conclusions either. I'm a tiny bit educated as far as the middle east is concerned, and maybe you are too. If I'm wrong I apologize. Maybe you are pursuing a major in middle eastern studies. Maybe you've spent the majority of the last decade either physically there or training for to go over. You are clearly the next great prophet and I'm just some ignorant schmuck. What do I know? | ||
|
RBF
Zimbabwe3 Posts
http://www.registan.net/index.php/2010/07/30/taliban-use-wikileaks-to-hunt-murder-named-afghans/ "The Times (firewalled again, I’m sorry) asked Wikileaks founder Julian Assange what he thought of it: • He claimed that many informers in Afghanistan were “acting in a criminal way” by sharing false information with Nato authorities." For the people worshipping Assange http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/wikileaks-has-betrayed-bradley-manning-says-the-guy-who-ratted-on-bradley-manning_b15724 The kid who put those documents out was going to be tried in a military court. Assange could have waited to release those files. Instead he kicked PFC Dumbass (who made it all possible for you guys to see these documents in the first place) while he was down, who is atm facing 50+ years Names could have been redacted before the leak. It could have waited until the UCMJ | ||
|
MoonfireSpam
United Kingdom1153 Posts
On November 27 2010 08:02 Slaughter wrote: ? Not even close to being comparable, considering its government documents that were leaked and then published vs China just controlling internet use. They're both censorship and the irony of the US having a go at China for censoring internets when the US keeps a whole bunch of stuff from everyone. Anyways, I'm waiting for a wikileaks regarding the IDF (Israeli Defense Forces), that'd be some really interesting reading given stuff newspapers claim they get up to and might be able to see if it really did happen or not. Al-Qaeda by Jason Burke is a good read for frankly anyone and gives a good insight into radical Islam and basically how might can't beat it. http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=-_FJFFrit8AC&printsec=frontcover&dq=al qaeda jason burke&source=bl&ots=XLB1x0WQKQ&sig=PhK7NvztMIRmgnK1jXEseXlBPGs&hl=en&ei=BObwTJ6ZGMPPhAeSnrC8DA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false | ||
|
VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On November 27 2010 14:46 RBF wrote: Pentagon officials themselves have admitted that wikileaks contacted them before the leak so they could remove any names. Pentagon refused:For the people defending wikileaks.. http://www.registan.net/index.php/2010/07/30/taliban-use-wikileaks-to-hunt-murder-named-afghans/ "The Times (firewalled again, I’m sorry) asked Wikileaks founder Julian Assange what he thought of it: • He claimed that many informers in Afghanistan were “acting in a criminal way” by sharing false information with Nato authorities." For the people worshipping Assange http://www.mediabistro.com/fishbowlny/wikileaks-has-betrayed-bradley-manning-says-the-guy-who-ratted-on-bradley-manning_b15724 The kid who put those documents out was going to be tried in a military court. Assange could have waited to release those files. Instead he kicked PFC Dumbass (who made it all possible for you guys to see these documents in the first place) while he was down, who is atm facing 50+ years Names could have been redacted before the leak. It could have waited until the UCMJ http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/20/wikileaks Bradley himself and family supports wikileaks. And wikileaks has been often contributing directly to the campaign to free him: http://www.freebradley.org/english.html The 'source' you posted is just the guy who betrayed Bradley and turned him in. Not the most reliable and impartial source, one would guess. | ||
|
nalgene
Canada2153 Posts
matkal? they in there too? anything about Israel? any like IDF operations? | ||
Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On November 27 2010 20:11 MoonfireSpam wrote: They're both censorship and the irony of the US having a go at China for censoring internets when the US keeps a whole bunch of stuff from everyone. Obfuscation is not the same as censorship. Not that certain parts of the US government wouldn't be censoring Wikileaks if it had the opportunity, but it doesn't have the opportunity. That doesn't relate at all to the way they keep secret documents secret. Useful post Tuwy, but everyone should probably wait for the actual release before casting judgments, since the weight of the released remarks could be huge. We know Turkey refused to be part of the initial hammer attack in Iraq, but it's difficult to believe Turkey purposefully left the border unsecured (since the border is tightly controlled and they do not want Iraqi Kurds entering Turkey, nor are they particularly humane towards N. Iraq) or that the US aided the PKK (since the US has historically played an important role in PKK stings.) But, this is how IR goes and it being unlikely doesn't prevent one subsection of an agency from doing something like that. Turkey isn't getting in the EU any time soon anyways, regardless of what the report says, so that's a discussion for a different thread. | ||
|
VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
"We are currently under a mass distributed denial of service attack." http://twitter.com/#!/wikileaks Wikileaks.org is currently down for me. | ||
|
plated.rawr
Norway1676 Posts
On November 29 2010 03:25 VIB wrote: Talking about censorship, Wikileaks is just now being victim of DDS attacks: "We are currently under a mass distributed denial of service attack." http://twitter.com/#!/wikileaks Wikileaks.org is currently down for me. Sounds like World War 3 - cyberwar: US Government vs. the World to me. Seriously though, who'd gain anything from DDoSing wikileaks apart from the US government? This feels like a massive overstep of their authority, and a direct attack on any kind of freedom of speech. | ||
|
Deadlyhazard
United States1177 Posts
On November 29 2010 03:28 plated.rawr wrote: Sounds like World War 3 - cyberwar: US Government vs. the World to me. Seriously though, who'd gain anything from DDoSing wikileaks apart from the US government? This feels like a massive overstep of their authority, and a direct attack on any kind of freedom of speech. Maybe some patriotic white-knight hero(or anti-hero) nerd? | ||
|
Pioneer
994 Posts
| ||
|
VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
On November 29 2010 03:34 Pioneer wrote: If the "Government" was half competent as you imply, we wouldn't have this other topic floating around:Wikileaks is back up. I'm pretty sure if the US Government wanted to bring it down it wouldn't pop back up so soon. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=156459 They're still under attack and are not sure if they'll be able to keep the website up for the upcomming release in the next few days. But they've already said that major newspapers around the globe will receive the reports even if the site is down. | ||
|
LOLtex
United States148 Posts
On November 29 2010 03:28 plated.rawr wrote: Sounds like World War 3 - cyberwar: US Government vs. the World to me. Seriously though, who'd gain anything from DDoSing wikileaks apart from the US government? This feels like a massive overstep of their authority, and a direct attack on any kind of freedom of speech. I dunno, anyone that has a slight against Assange? Which could be anyone in the world, just about every country has their own reasons to hate him. | ||
|
VIB
Brazil3567 Posts
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable-leak-diplomacy-crisis | ||
|
KonohaFlash
Canada1590 Posts
On November 29 2010 04:01 VIB wrote: The Guardian already received the latest leaks from Wikileaks (250,000 US embassy secret files). And just released they coverage on the subject: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cable-leak-diplomacy-crisis Some interesting tidbits from the article: Among scores of other disclosures that are likely to cause uproar, the cables detail: • Grave fears in Washington and London over the security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme • Alleged links between the Russian government and organised crime. • Devastating criticism of the UK's military operations in Afghanistan. • Claims of inappropriate behaviour by a member of the British royal family. | ||
|
Armut
Turkey141 Posts
On November 27 2010 10:10 Tuwy wrote: Who would want to join the sinking ship called Europe? In fact, Europa desperately wants and needs Turkey to join them. Thank god Turkey is wise enough to make better friends. With countries that are in the rising and whom will be way more beneficial to Turkey than Europe could ever be (China, Russia, Brazil, India etc.). Also it's quite funny how gullible people like you are. A few propaganda websites posts articles with headlines stating that "Turkey aided Al Qaeda" and that's enough for people like you to immediately believe that and start spreading the news. Here let me help you out a bit, let's take this article from The Jerusalem Post shall we (funny that these articles originated from Israel btw, the country that's getting a hard time from Turkey for all the crimes they're committing). A quote from the article, which supposedly is a quote from Al-Hayat, which again is supposedly a quote from Wikileaks (I know a guy who knows a guy who knows this dude who said that..): "One of the documents, a US military report, reportedly charges Turkey with failing to control its borders, because Iraqi citizens residing in Turkey provided al-Qaida with supplies to build bombs, guns and ammunition." What do we read there? Iraqi citizens, not Turkish citizens, not the Turkish government, nothing to do with Turkey at all except the fact that these people were residing in Turkey. Fun fact about that is that almost all the Iraqi citizens residing in and near Turkey are Kurdish. Guess what the rebel organization called PKK is composed off? Let's take a look at the same article again: "The newspaper also reported that the US helped the PKK, a Kurdish rebel organization." Oh so the US actually helps this rebel organization, hmm interesting. So basically if you still want to believe these articles (you obviously would), the US aided the PKK who aided Al Qaeda. All this happened while Turkey has been busy dealing with the PKK for ages. You know what else is funny? This video and many other articles floating around indicates that it's the Mossad (Israel) that's training these rebel fighters. But of course, you don't care. Why would you? Your thought process is like this: "Muslim bad! Bad Muslim! You Muslim, you bad!" On November 29 2010 00:25 Jibba wrote: Obfuscation is not the same as censorship. Not that certain parts of the US government wouldn't be censoring Wikileaks if it had the opportunity, but it doesn't have the opportunity. That doesn't relate at all to the way they keep secret documents secret. Useful post Tuwy, but everyone should probably wait for the actual release before casting judgments, since the weight of the released remarks could be huge. We know Turkey refused to be part of the initial hammer attack in Iraq, but it's difficult to believe Turkey purposefully left the border unsecured (since the border is tightly controlled and they do not want Iraqi Kurds entering Turkey, nor are they particularly humane towards N. Iraq) or that the US aided the PKK (since the US has historically played an important role in PKK stings.) But, this is how IR goes and it being unlikely doesn't prevent one subsection of an agency from doing something like that. Turkey isn't getting in the EU any time soon anyways, regardless of what the report says, so that's a discussion for a different thread. I would like to add a few things here 1) Al Qaida is formed after Mucahidin (An organisation who defended afghanistan against Soviets, by the IMMENSE support of US, actually Mucahidin directly formed by CIA with the help of Saudi muslims against "godless" Soviets) 2)It is ture Turkey fails to protect borders, havent you heard how many of our soldiers are getting ambushed etc close to borders and watchstations. 3)PKK has been benefiting from this hard-to-secure borderline for years. 4)The alleged border is completaly mountainous terrain. REAL HARD to completaly secure it because we'd have to build up a "Great Wall" with a Great Cost. 5)If the goverment helped Al Qaida I'd like an explanation. 6)Finally, people tend to look only a certain amount of time when its about history. Mucahidin, Taliban, Al Qaida, always had support time to time from US. Bin Laden and Saddam were trained by CIA, one of them against Iran (after revolution) one of them against Soviets. 7)Israeli news papers, and some sources connected to them in US and Europe, on purposely writing that "Turkey helped" while EVEN THE ALLEGED documents show that its a result of security failiure. 8)These are just allegations right now, I just wanted to clear the misuse of even the allegations. 9)And finally if I was an Iraqi, I would support Al Qaide against US it may suprise people below 50 iq but, US is not seen as you dream in this part of the world, and I do not think its for no reason. 10)Some guy wrote EU should not allow Turkey etc, mate what is the problem? We do not care about not being a member, we only demand an aswer to show the world what EU is consisting of truly. After all EU countries did, after all the past you have in Europe with racism and everything possible, you still find a sentence about Turkey, we aren ot claiming to be saints but you do. How scared you guys are ?  11)LET THE TRUTH BE UNFOLD. Thank you Assange, damn my goverment, damn other goverments, PUBLISH THEM ! | ||
|
A3iL3r0n
United States2196 Posts
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/world/29cables.html?hp | ||
| ||
