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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On July 19 2010 07:35 kzn wrote: You pull that lever in 0.1 seconds flat. How is this even a dilemma? well in the Game Theory version, both parties act rationally but doing so they produce an irrational/undesirable result, which might be considered a paradox I guess as for his dilemma, I guess it might be considered an ethical issue to some - personal benefit at the expense of others (although it's debatable) | ||
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RhaegarBeast
Bulgaria113 Posts
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Win.win
United States230 Posts
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On July 19 2010 07:15 RhaegarBeast wrote: This is a riddle that has plagued me for about 10 years and I think I finally found a satisfying solution; I believe I finally understood it. "You are a total prisoner of an unknown mage. You slowly realize that there is absolutely no escape and then the mage gives you a lever and tells you that it is connected to an identical one in an identical prison with an identical prisoner. He says that as long as the lever remains unpressed you both remain in the prison. But when someone actually decides to press it then the other prisoner dies and the remaining one goes free. The prison is rather tormenting and both prisoners really want to get out. What will eventually happen? It actually depends on the person that you ask. What is your solution to the problem? What would you do? What would the average person do? What happens? Does the end justify the means? THINK ABOUT IT!" The solution gets more awesome the more I think about it. Btw, I first saw a version of this riddle in Baldur's Gate II. Edit: The other prisoner learns this at the same time as you do. The mage can make you really "know" that everything that is written is true. Is this a trick? Because there's absolutely no reason not to pull the lever as soon as possible in your version. Usually there's some sort of "if both players don't pull it they can both _______" clause. | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On July 19 2010 07:45 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Is this a trick? Because there's absolutely no reason not to pull the lever as soon as possible in your version. Usually there's some sort of "if both players don't pull it they can both _______" clause. yea, like if one pulls it and the other doesn't, they get the greatest benefit, if both pull it they get benefit but less than if neither pull it. however if you don't pull it and the other person does, you lose it all. | ||
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RhaegarBeast
Bulgaria113 Posts
Version 1.0 - The more you stand in the prison the more you suffer. If you press the lever you die and the other one goes free. Version 2.0 will be the one I posted, but keep in mind it's also meaningful. | ||
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danl9rm
United States3111 Posts
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NonY
8751 Posts
On July 19 2010 07:42 Win.win wrote: what do you mean by identical prisoner? he's a clone of you with the same life experiences? 'Prisoner' is a role. It's not a proper noun... | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1739 Posts
If you decide to just endure the torture assuming that the other prisoner will eventually cave in, you both might end up being tortured indefinitely (probably till both die). So the question is, do you act to save the other person? You might as well, since if both of you keep enduring, you'll both die. But there's a chance that the other will cave in first, so maybe not? I'd probably try to endure it as much as possible. | ||
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RhaegarBeast
Bulgaria113 Posts
On July 19 2010 07:42 Win.win wrote: what do you mean by identical prisoner? he's a clone of you with the same life experiences? Basically, yes. Smart guy.  | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
So TL;DR: pull leverz n die for both parties | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
it would probably come down to whoever has more to live for and can sustain more suffering | ||
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NonY
8751 Posts
Freedom is good. Death is neutral. Prison is bad. Going from prison to death is a good change. Going from prison to freedom is a good change. Pull the lever. Or if I think the other guy might value a life in prison more than death, and I have a whim of altruism, I'll wait an hour to give him a chance to pull the lever. During that time, I expect him to decide if a guilty conscience is going to prevent him from getting the proper benefit out of his pulling the lever. If he doesn't pull it after an hour, I'll pull it, because I believe he'd be better off that way, and I know I'd be better off that way, and I'd be sure to not let a guilty conscience affect my happiness while free. | ||
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RhaegarBeast
Bulgaria113 Posts
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RhaegarBeast
Bulgaria113 Posts
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nath
United States1788 Posts
On July 19 2010 07:51 StRyKeR wrote: Hmm, interesting. The new Version 1.0 is interesting... If you decide to just endure the torture assuming that the other prisoner will eventually cave in, you both might end up being tortured indefinitely (probably till both die). So the question is, do you act to save the other person? You might as well, since if both of you keep enduring, you'll both die. But there's a chance that the other will cave in first, so maybe not? I'd probably try to endure it as much as possible. i'd just wait. he may cave! i might cave too lol, although we all like to think we're strong enough to handle torture. | ||
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RhaegarBeast
Bulgaria113 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15723 Posts
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KwarK
United States43203 Posts
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Win.win
United States230 Posts
On July 19 2010 07:49 Liquid`Tyler wrote: 'Prisoner' is a role. It's not a proper noun... and if a 'prisoner' is a person confined in prison, then 'identical prisoner' would be an identical person confined in prison... | ||
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