EPT예 = yes
Is the ㅇsymbol as it should be?
I tried to copy a korean dictionary and it has a small vertical line above the ㅇ.
Just want to make sure I'm not learning incorrect korean
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
예 = yes Is the ㅇsymbol as it should be? I tried to copy a korean dictionary and it has a small vertical line above the ㅇ. Just want to make sure I'm not learning incorrect korean | ||
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HeIios
Sweden2523 Posts
On June 30 2010 21:28 VorcePA wrote: I don't understand this. I still will openly ask what a word in English means, even in a large group setting, and it's my native language. One can never truly perfect their first language, but I will give it my best effort. Ponder my boldness, I love you as much as I love anyone else on the internet so don't worry, I'm not trying to attack you or anything. | ||
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VorcePA
United States1102 Posts
On June 30 2010 23:01 HeIios wrote: Ponder my boldness, I love you as much as I love anyone else on the internet so don't worry, I'm not trying to attack you or anything. Again, I don't understand. I'm also very, very tired, and am not always trying to be perfect, anyway. I simply saw an easily correctable error earlier, and thought I could help. + Show Spoiler + Also, we're getting way off topic | ||
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Peekay.switch
Canada285 Posts
What does a Korean keyboard looks like? How does it work sort of? I'm just kind of curious in general how they manage to deal with this problem =o | ||
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Tufas
Austria2259 Posts
By the way, I love the good the bad and the ugly. The costumes make laugh every time ! | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
That theory is propagated by Western linguists, which imo are not very credible when it comes to E. Asian languages. There's still a lot of research that needs to be done comparing Korean/Japanese to other Altaic language branches, AKA Tungusic/Mongolian etc. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
I lived in Japan when I was younger, and the language is pretty similar, they both use postpositions (as opposed to prepositions) and some of the words are even the same. They're both derived from Chinese, though, as Hanja and Kanji are exactly the same. The big difference is that nobody really uses Hanja in Korea, and lots of people use Kanji in Japan. I'm not saying that it's particularly easy to pick up, as a ton of the vowels are fucking hard to distinguish and pronounce correctly, but I'm not having a super hard time learning it. I'm like 1/8 korean and 1/2 japanese/okinawan (the rest is dutch irish welsch native american and chinese) from Hawaii so I have been around a lot of Korean people all my life. Most of my gfs in high school spoke korean, but I never learned anything from them. I do remember them saying "araso" a lot which roughly translates to "i see", something which I've learned very recently. It's a lot easier for me because I look full korean and everyone speaks to me in korean off the bat but honestly, from my experience, korean isn't any harder to learn than any other language if you take the time to learn the basic syntax and grammar and have a good deal of immersion. I realize that's not feasible for many of you, but if you want to learn Korean just move to Korea and teach english. There are plenty of opportunities and nearly everyone I know is having a great time up here, douchebag or otherwise. | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5449 Posts
On June 30 2010 22:51 Fantistic wrote: Need to clarify another word: 예 = yes Is the ㅇsymbol as it should be? I tried to copy a korean dictionary and it has a small vertical line above the ㅇ. Just want to make sure I'm not learning incorrect korean Are you confusing ㅎ with ㅇ? ㅎ looks like ㅇ but with two vertical lines above it. I have only lived in Korea for 6 months, but "yes" is usually written as 네. Pronounced like "neh". And to the person who asked about Korean keyboards... they look the same as any keyboard. Korean "words" are compounded from multiple letters, just like in English, but they look much more complicated sometimes... Like... ㅅ + ㅓ + ㅇ + ㅗ + ㄹ = 서울 Which is "Seoul". So that thing that might look like two "letters" is actually 5 characters. To type that I type "tjdhf". Another easy to type and understand word would be "Gangnam" (an area of Seoul) spelled 강님. ㄱ = "g/k" sound. ㅏ = "ah" sound. ㅇ = "ng" sound (or it's a silent vowel if at the start of a word... like if you want to right just "ah" you write 아) ㄴ = "n" sound. ㅏ = as above, "ah" sound. ㅁ = "m" sound. (To type that you hit rkdska) Once you have a general idea of what each letter should sound like, reading becomes pretty easy (after practicing, of course... it took me a couple weeks before I felt comfortable. Still not fully comfortable!) Learning Korean can be pretty hard, but it's fun. If I put too much effort into it, I'd probably get pretty frustrated. But I have a lot of Korean friends that teach me, and I do study on my own when I feel like it. I am pleased that I can spell most words the first time I hear them nowadays in Hangeul. I still (stupidly) get confused with the sound differences for letters like ㅐ ㅑ ㅕ ㅔ ㅜ ㅗ but mostly I'm pretty good.  I also understand the sentiment behind disliking so many of the other English teachers here who aren't doing much for themselves here, but I don't really agree with it! I work at a big hagwon with over 20 foreigners, and many of them don't know much Korean besides the basics, some can speak a lot, but I'd say they're all good people. In Hongdae though... certainly a lot of douchebags who look like they're just begging to be punched. But what I'm saying is, a lot of them aren't so bad. Even the ones who don't really embrace the culture as much as someone else. Some people experience different cultures in different ways. Anyway, I'm not sure how people like Rek really picked up Korean so fast! I guess being continuously immersed in it kind of forces you to do that, though. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On July 01 2010 01:10 SoleSteeler wrote: Are you confusing ㅎ with ㅇ? ㅎ looks like ㅇ but with two vertical lines above it. I have only lived in Korea for 6 months, but "yes" is usually written as 네. Pronounced like "neh". You've been in Korea 6 months and you've never heard someone say "yae"? [edit2] might be romanized "yeh" [/edit2] [edit] It might be a dialect thing, Gyeongnam has a super thick dialect that most Seoul people don't understand well, but we say it all the time here. [/edit] | ||
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SoleSteeler
Canada5449 Posts
On July 01 2010 01:13 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: You've been in Korea 6 months and you've never heard someone say "yae"? Of course I have, but I'd say 90% of the time or more it's 네, heh. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
It's a lot easier for me because I look full korean and everyone speaks to me in korean off the bat but honestly, from my experience, korean isn't any harder to learn than any other language if you take the time to learn the basic syntax and grammar and have a good deal of immersion. | ||
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ZERG_RUSSIAN
10417 Posts
On July 01 2010 01:16 Hynda wrote: I would think that one reason why people perceive it to be harder is simply because they pick it up when they are older than they did with the other languages they learnt, at least that's how it was with me, I learnt Japanese when I was around 6-7 and had no issues at all picking it up, while trying to learn French at the age of 20 was horrible. Languages is just one of those things that gets harder to learn the older you get. Of course, my native language is English and I learned Japanese at 10 and now I'm in my twenties in Korea learning Korean--it's harder, but not significantly, I remember being just as confused when I was 10. | ||
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Hynda
Sweden2226 Posts
On July 01 2010 01:18 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Some people have easier to learn languages than others, I was mearly pointing out that the languages that usually gets pointed out as "Really hard to learn" rarely are the ones people tend to be exposed to in their early years.Of course, my native language is English and I learned Japanese at 10 and now I'm in my twenties in Korea learning Korean--it's harder, but not significantly, I remember being just as confused when I was 10. | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
 . only enough to find a phone and make a collect call to someone who knows english.dont forget the one aspect that makes it harder then english is your ability to know when to use proper replies to a person with a higher status (almost always use it to an old person, else you are going to get the broomstick in your face) then you. learning the alphabet or pronouncing is not the hard part. korean is one of the few languages that is easy to do. unlike english where you pronounce know as in "no" (the "k" is silent), in korean what you see is what you say. i would type some korean letters to give an example though i do not have the program at the time. | ||
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Tal
United Kingdom1017 Posts
On the other hand, one of the smartest people I know have tried to learn the Chinese characters, at a time when they weren't working (just studying Chinese), and they said it was very difficult, which has made me focus on conversation. How does the Korean written language compare to the Chinese? I guess it's somewhat easier, but is it still a hard slog? | ||
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heroyi
United States1064 Posts
korean lot easier lol. you will find korean much easier then chinese | ||
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Shadowfury333
Canada314 Posts
One small thing that makes it hard for english speakers is that Korean script does not assume vowels where they aren't written. This means that ending a word in ㅅ will sound like a 't' even though it is listed as 's', because you are making the shape of the sound without pushing any air through. This is also the reason why characters seem to change value depending on whether they are in front of a vowel or a consonant. | ||
MightyAtom
Korea (South)1897 Posts
On July 01 2010 02:36 Tal wrote: Interesting thread - I'm learning Chinese (while living in China), which is going ok. My main problem is that while I can read pinyin, I can't read Chinese characters, which cuts out a lot of potential learning. On the other hand, one of the smartest people I know have tried to learn the Chinese characters, at a time when they weren't working (just studying Chinese), and they said it was very difficult, which has made me focus on conversation. How does the Korean written language compare to the Chinese? I guess it's somewhat easier, but is it still a hard slog? Korean script 'hangul' will take you about 2 hours to learn the basics to read and write, not that you will suddenly know the grammar, meanings and have perfect pronounciation etc, but it is that straightforward. Its been said in this thread already, but Korean can't be understood by any other language, but we have virtually identical grammar to the Japanese. So if a Korean learns Japanese or vice-versa, its pretty straightforward, but if we meet for the first time, we won't know what the fuck the other person is saying. While Korea is grouped with the Ural-Altaic group: Mongols, Turks, Hungary, Fins and Japanese, I've met Mongolians as well and I have no fucking idea what they were saying as well. But, I can see that we are all from central Asia and were all at one point savage barbarians born with green bums. Many modern western words are the same or similar to the Japanese as they were introduced to Korea during Japan's occupation to Korea (battery,newspaper), whereas many very old words (king, princess) are the same as mandarin. Korea didn't have it's own script until after King Sejong the Great commissioned it back in the 14th century, so it was only Chinese. Korean's are very proud of this heritage from the Chinese and all classical texts are in Chinese and as mentioned in the previous posts, many Korean words have their root meaning in Chinese, such as English does in Latin, but the pronounciation from these root Chinese words are completely Korean. The use of these Chinese characters in Korean is called hanja and every Korean person's name has a corresponding hanja meaning behind it. Nowadays hanja as a Chinese script is not used frequently but in newspaper headlines and sprinkled in text, but anyone who graduated from highschool will have a knowledge of hanja as it gets taught from elementary school and is a sign of very high education; for some Korean Chairmen have their Korean name cards not in Hangul, but completely in Hanja. But my wife who graduated from law, without knowing hanja, you couldn't get through your Korean law texts as the hanja is not sprinkled, but very much a part of the text for understanding. Hangul is a very easy to learn (the Korean script) but Korean is not an easy language to just pick up, but I'm sure you'll find it a very surprising language that has a lot of words that identify so many types of emotional states. Plus, Korean girls love foreign guys who speak Korean keke. As stated by Rek, who is both an Angel and Devil to the local Seoul girl population. | ||
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ironchef
Canada1350 Posts
On July 01 2010 03:27 Shadowfury333 wrote: Hangul is quite easy to learn, especially if you know the basis of it. There is a quick summary over at wikipedia. Essentially, the script is designed to match the area of the mouth the sound is produced in. For example, ㄱ represents the tongue at the back of the throat, whee you would say a g/k sound. One small thing that makes it hard for english speakers is that Korean script does not assume vowels where they aren't written. This means that ending a word in ㅅ will sound like a 't' even though it is listed as 's', because you are making the shape of the sound without pushing any air through. This is also the reason why characters seem to change value depending on whether they are in front of a vowel or a consonant. interesting to know. I was always just impressed with the system of stacking syllables hehe. Didnt know it had sound systems too. Something semi-related. For native speakers/in native country, how accurate do you feel tv shows/dramas etc reflect your language? I use to think that watching tv could help a lot, but then i thought, cartoons/shows here talk retardedly. You'd sound really weird if you talked like a northamerica cartoon/sitcom lol | ||
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OpticalShot
Canada6330 Posts
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