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we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
April 23 2004 13:41 GMT
#321
And you are against to the willing of most CHinese that we need a united country!
On April 23 2004 22:33 choboPEon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2004 22:17 we want peace wrote:
Anything wrong with Tibet?
Tibet is a province part of China,this is a common sense guy!


Against the will of everyone in Tibet.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
April 23 2004 13:45 GMT
#322
On April 23 2004 22:41 we want peace wrote:
And you are against to the willing of most CHinese that we need a united country!
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2004 22:33 choboPEon wrote:
On April 23 2004 22:17 we want peace wrote:
Anything wrong with Tibet?
Tibet is a province part of China,this is a common sense guy!


Against the will of everyone in Tibet.


someone translate. i'm too tired and honestly don't understand what he's trying to say.
:O
we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
April 23 2004 13:47 GMT
#323
It's just your worthless conclusions!
You are really excellent in twisting people's idea!
On April 23 2004 22:34 choboPEon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2004 22:30 we want peace wrote:
What i want to add is that the european immigrant to America slaughtered the local Indians, and you should also say sorry to them cuz of that


rofl.

Okay, so let's think about this.

You want Japan to apologize.

So we ask why they should apologize when your country is doing terrible things too.

So you say you won't aplogize because we won't apologize.

Good work, excellent argument.
we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
April 23 2004 13:49 GMT
#324
And I don't need you to understand my words at all!

I'm sure even linguist can't make you understand the feelings of the Asians!

On April 23 2004 22:45 choboPEon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2004 22:41 we want peace wrote:
And you are against to the willing of most CHinese that we need a united country!
On April 23 2004 22:33 choboPEon wrote:
On April 23 2004 22:17 we want peace wrote:
Anything wrong with Tibet?
Tibet is a province part of China,this is a common sense guy!


Against the will of everyone in Tibet.


someone translate. i'm too tired and honestly don't understand what he's trying to say.
VdP]TwistedEcho
Profile Joined February 2004
United Kingdom847 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-23 13:59:09
April 23 2004 13:54 GMT
#325
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we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-23 14:14:22
April 23 2004 14:13 GMT
#326
I have big problem with appology?
Tian An Men Square is not caused by me, why should I say sorry to that?Will you be a little logic when sending your post?
Why do you twist my idea by saying I hate Japan today?What I hate is the gov of Japan, who denied the existence and slaughter their older generation have done, not alone the apology from them.But getting sorrow expression from them is our right, for we have not got a correct explaination of why they did that till now!
You are not Chinese, and of course you will not have the same idea as we do!
So it's no strange why you set up the unreasonable and biased words.
On April 23 2004 22:54 VdP]TwistedEcho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2004 22:30 we want peace wrote:
What i want to add is that the european immigrant to America slaughtered the local Indians, and you should also say sorry to them cuz of that


wtf..

You claim mentioning tianamen square is off topic, and come out with this? Its you that has the big problem with apologies, not me. If an indian wishes to hate me because of something that happened that long ago, id think as much of him as i think of you. I really don't see why you have to express all this anger at current day japan. Why not forgive? If everyone displays hostility as you do, this world would be a seriously fucked up place. I think pretty much every country has done something in the past that could be held against them, luckily the majority of people aren't as small minded as you.
we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
April 23 2004 14:16 GMT
#327
I have already suggested that you can set up another post condemning tian An Men Incident!

Any discussion about that under this topic I set is of course off the topic!

On April 23 2004 22:54 VdP]TwistedEcho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2004 22:30 we want peace wrote:
What i want to add is that the european immigrant to America slaughtered the local Indians, and you should also say sorry to them cuz of that


wtf..

You claim mentioning tianamen square is off topic, and come out with this? Its you that has the big problem with apologies, not me. If an indian wishes to hate me because of something that happened that long ago, id think as much of him as i think of you. I really don't see why you have to express all this anger at current day japan. Why not forgive? If everyone displays hostility as you do, this world would be a seriously fucked up place. I think pretty much every country has done something in the past that could be held against them, luckily the majority of people aren't as small minded as you.
we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
April 23 2004 14:19 GMT
#328
I'm not small minded.

I love the world, I love nearly all the countries around the world except Japan!
You can call that biases, but don't you have any biases on other countries?
Here I am very disappointed to see so many biases on China.


On April 23 2004 22:54 VdP]TwistedEcho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2004 22:30 we want peace wrote:
What i want to add is that the european immigrant to America slaughtered the local Indians, and you should also say sorry to them cuz of that


wtf..

You claim mentioning tianamen square is off topic, and come out with this? Its you that has the big problem with apologies, not me. If an indian wishes to hate me because of something that happened that long ago, id think as much of him as i think of you. I really don't see why you have to express all this anger at current day japan. Why not forgive? If everyone displays hostility as you do, this world would be a seriously fucked up place. I think pretty much every country has done something in the past that could be held against them, luckily the majority of people aren't as small minded as you.
VdP]TwistedEcho
Profile Joined February 2004
United Kingdom847 Posts
April 23 2004 14:30 GMT
#329
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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
April 23 2004 14:44 GMT
#330
Stop comparing massacres of hundreds of thousands of people with a put down of a protest in a square. yes the Chinese government is socialist, yes it put down a democractic protest, but seriously, it is a disgrace to dead of world war 2 to compare the two events, since they are not nearly on the same scale.

As for demanding apologies since "all countries have committed wrongs and/or altered textbooks" again, it's not the same--most people don't comprehend the extent to which the Japanese wrecked havoc not only in China, but in Korea and the rest of Asia.

To the people that keep saying "it's in the past!!" please look at events in historical context. You're saying atrocities committed fifty years ago should simply be forgotten? That's barely one generation. It's very easy to say when you're family isn't the one affected by this. There are very strong feelings on the side of the Chinese, try to be a little understanding before going off on the patented American rants.

Let's say 9/11 was on the scale of hundreds of thousands of people. Enemy soldiers came in and raped and killed and tortured American citizens. And let's say it was committed by a formal government, and that that government became a leading economic power and denied that 9/11 ever occurred. Fifty years from now, it's okay for them to deny it and have shrines to the rapists and murderers simply because "it was in the past" and "you were not directly affected" and "the people in power now weren't responsible"???

To the korean who kept talking about N and S Korea... you really believe US military presence is good for South Korea? Take a look at your own country man, the US occupation has very problematic consequences for SKorea that will be felt for a long time.

That said, this is going nowhere as nobody can really relate to WeWantPeace, who understandably speaks from a very emotional point of view. (Hence the very.. err.. strong posts)

Also, all the people crying tolerance and forgiveness don't truly grasp how important this issue is to the Chinese people as a whole. Yes, we all know tolerance and forgiveness are big happy concepts that should be pursued, but try to open your mind a little ok?
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
April 23 2004 14:46 GMT
#331
It's common for me to be indignated by the news.
I think you will also be angry when coming across the news that the Iraqis killed your soldiers in Iraq, though what they are doing is to defence their own country!

On April 23 2004 23:30 VdP]TwistedEcho wrote:
do you have to quote me three separate times? I don't have a bias on china, nor do i on any other country (i hope). Its the whole point of this thread i fail to understand. If your reporting news of some terrorist attack, then fine, but you really didn't need to bring all your hatred of japan/japan's government/whatever it is you hate into it.
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
April 23 2004 14:48 GMT
#332
In time this Iraq war will be seen in the same light as Vietnam, and Bush will be criticized severely (even more than he is now). Unfortunately by then he will have done quite a bit of damage.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
April 23 2004 14:48 GMT
#333
What you have said is impartial and quite acceptable!

Thanks very much!Hot_bird!

On April 23 2004 23:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
Stop comparing massacres of hundreds of thousands of people with a put down of a protest in a square. yes the Chinese government is socialist, yes it put down a democractic protest, but seriously, it is a disgrace to dead of world war 2 to compare the two events, since they are not nearly on the same scale.

As for demanding apologies since "all countries have committed wrongs and/or altered textbooks" again, it's not the same--most people don't comprehend the extent to which the Japanese wrecked havoc not only in China, but in Korea and the rest of Asia.

To the people that keep saying "it's in the past!!" please look at events in historical context. You're saying atrocities committed fifty years ago should simply be forgotten? That's barely one generation. It's very easy to say when you're family isn't the one affected by this. There are very strong feelings on the side of the Chinese, try to be a little understanding before going off on the patented American rants.

Let's say 9/11 was on the scale of hundreds of thousands of people. Enemy soldiers came in and raped and killed and tortured American citizens. And let's say it was committed by a formal government, and that that government became a leading economic power and denied that 9/11 ever occurred. Fifty years from now, it's okay for them to deny it and have shrines to the rapists and murderers simply because "it was in the past" and "you were not directly affected" and "the people in power now weren't responsible"???

To the korean who kept talking about N and S Korea... you really believe US military presence is good for South Korea? Take a look at your own country man, the US occupation has very problematic consequences for SKorea that will be felt for a long time.

That said, this is going nowhere as nobody can really relate to WeWantPeace, who understandably speaks from a very emotional point of view. (Hence the very.. err.. strong posts)

Also, all the people crying tolerance and forgiveness don't truly grasp how important this issue is to the Chinese people as a whole. Yes, we all know tolerance and forgiveness are big happy concepts that should be pursued, but try to open your mind a little ok?
we want peace
Profile Joined April 2004
China202 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-23 14:53:47
April 23 2004 14:51 GMT
#334
Yeah, I still remember the large scale demonstration against war last year!And I was in the rally composing of thousands of people in Melbourne against Bush when he paid a visit to Australia last Oct!
PS, this is the first demonstration I took part in in my life!



On April 23 2004 23:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
In time this Iraq war will be seen in the same light as Vietnam, and Bush will be criticized severely (even more than he is now). Unfortunately by then he will have done quite a bit of damage.
Servolisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
United States5241 Posts
April 23 2004 15:13 GMT
#335
On April 23 2004 23:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
Stop comparing massacres of hundreds of thousands of people with a put down of a protest in a square. yes the Chinese government is socialist, yes it put down a democractic protest, but seriously, it is a disgrace to dead of world war 2 to compare the two events, since they are not nearly on the same scale.

As for demanding apologies since "all countries have committed wrongs and/or altered textbooks" again, it's not the same--most people don't comprehend the extent to which the Japanese wrecked havoc not only in China, but in Korea and the rest of Asia.

To the people that keep saying "it's in the past!!" please look at events in historical context. You're saying atrocities committed fifty years ago should simply be forgotten? That's barely one generation. It's very easy to say when you're family isn't the one affected by this. There are very strong feelings on the side of the Chinese, try to be a little understanding before going off on the patented American rants.

Let's say 9/11 was on the scale of hundreds of thousands of people. Enemy soldiers came in and raped and killed and tortured American citizens. And let's say it was committed by a formal government, and that that government became a leading economic power and denied that 9/11 ever occurred. Fifty years from now, it's okay for them to deny it and have shrines to the rapists and murderers simply because "it was in the past" and "you were not directly affected" and "the people in power now weren't responsible"???

To the korean who kept talking about N and S Korea... you really believe US military presence is good for South Korea? Take a look at your own country man, the US occupation has very problematic consequences for SKorea that will be felt for a long time.

That said, this is going nowhere as nobody can really relate to WeWantPeace, who understandably speaks from a very emotional point of view. (Hence the very.. err.. strong posts)

Also, all the people crying tolerance and forgiveness don't truly grasp how important this issue is to the Chinese people as a whole. Yes, we all know tolerance and forgiveness are big happy concepts that should be pursued, but try to open your mind a little ok?


Its a matter of scale? It can't be a very big atrocity, it has to be a huge one to count?

And why can't anyone else grasp this? The US suffered plenty from Japan too, and from Germany. If Europeans, especially Jews, 'forgive' Germany, than I think it settles the issue.

The concept is pretty ridiculous anyway, I wouldn't apologize for my grandfathers actions if he were a mass murderer. I wouldn't expect someone to apologize for their grandfather either.
wtf was that signature
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
April 23 2004 15:24 GMT
#336
Country Men in war Battle deaths Wounded
China 17,250,521 1,324,516 1,762,006
Japan 9,700,000 1,270,000 140,000
U.S.S.R. — 6,115,0004 14,012,000
USA 16,112,566 291,557 670,846

With all due respect to US WW2 veterans, scale matters.

This does not even take into account civilian casualties. Millions of Chinese, Europeans, etc. How many US civilians? A couple hundred at Pearl Harbor?

It's nice to stubbornly hold onto ideals like "an atrocity is an atrocity" but please, let's not get ridiculous.

Nobody is asking you to apologize for your grandfather, just recognize that his actions, not deny he ever did them, and not to honor his murders. (What the Japanese gov is doing).

PS. The US barely suffered in WW2 compared to the other countries involved in it.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
SuperJongMan
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Jamaica11586 Posts
April 23 2004 15:45 GMT
#337
Hot Bid, Yeah good points so far, but about South Korea and US Military, everyone esp, the youth hate it. However, it did have some useful points, such as Korea cutting back on a military budget during the eco crash in mid-late 90's. But since econ is stable now, although not at its peak, I guess they could afford nto to have them. It is detrimental but it does have its benefits economically.
POWER OVERWHELMING ! ! ! KRUU~ KRUU~
Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
April 23 2004 15:50 GMT
#338
i was refering more towards the thousands of korean women that are forced into debt and serve as prostitutes for the american military bases. it creates disjointed families, not to mention abused wives and children.
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
April 23 2004 15:56 GMT
#339
servolisk... chinese are not asking the japanese to apologise, they only ask that the japanese government to stop lying and aknowledge the past. U'd be surprised the percentage of japanese that are totally unware of their nation's past.
The japanese right wing groups actually have a huge influence in their government which is why it is tolerated and even to an extend encouraged...
Rillanon.au
fender-pro
Profile Joined December 2002
Estonia208 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-04-23 15:58:55
April 23 2004 15:58 GMT
#340
Hey, we want peace, smoke smth relaxing... try to be up to ur nick..
U want peace? By hating someone or somewhat u will not ever reach it. Hm, i, actually, think u will hold yours own anyway, so gl to u with ur childish understanding of the peace.
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