Japanese rightist attacked China's embassy - Page 17

On April 23 2004 22:33 choboPEon wrote:


Against the will of everyone in Tibet.

On April 23 2004 22:41 we want peace wrote:
And you are against to the willing of most CHinese that we need a united country!

On April 23 2004 22:34 choboPEon wrote:


rofl.

Okay, so let's think about this.

You want Japan to apologize.

So we ask why they should apologize when your country is doing terrible things too.

So you say you won't aplogize because we won't apologize.

Good work, excellent argument.

On April 23 2004 22:45 choboPEon wrote:


someone translate. i'm too tired and honestly don't understand what he's trying to say.

On April 23 2004 22:54 VdP]TwistedEcho wrote:


wtf..

You claim mentioning tianamen square is off topic, and come out with this? Its you that has the big problem with apologies, not me. If an indian wishes to hate me because of something that happened that long ago, id think as much of him as i think of you. I really don't see why you have to express all this anger at current day japan. Why not forgive? If everyone displays hostility as you do, this world would be a seriously fucked up place. I think pretty much every country has done something in the past that could be held against them, luckily the majority of people aren't as small minded as you.

On April 23 2004 22:54 VdP]TwistedEcho wrote:


wtf..

You claim mentioning tianamen square is off topic, and come out with this? Its you that has the big problem with apologies, not me. If an indian wishes to hate me because of something that happened that long ago, id think as much of him as i think of you. I really don't see why you have to express all this anger at current day japan. Why not forgive? If everyone displays hostility as you do, this world would be a seriously fucked up place. I think pretty much every country has done something in the past that could be held against them, luckily the majority of people aren't as small minded as you.

On April 23 2004 22:54 VdP]TwistedEcho wrote:


wtf..

You claim mentioning tianamen square is off topic, and come out with this? Its you that has the big problem with apologies, not me. If an indian wishes to hate me because of something that happened that long ago, id think as much of him as i think of you. I really don't see why you have to express all this anger at current day japan. Why not forgive? If everyone displays hostility as you do, this world would be a seriously fucked up place. I think pretty much every country has done something in the past that could be held against them, luckily the majority of people aren't as small minded as you.

On April 23 2004 23:30 VdP]TwistedEcho wrote:
do you have to quote me three separate times? I don't have a bias on china, nor do i on any other country (i hope). Its the whole point of this thread i fail to understand. If your reporting news of some terrorist attack, then fine, but you really didn't need to bring all your hatred of japan/japan's government/whatever it is you hate into it.

On April 23 2004 23:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
Stop comparing massacres of hundreds of thousands of people with a put down of a protest in a square. yes the Chinese government is socialist, yes it put down a democractic protest, but seriously, it is a disgrace to dead of world war 2 to compare the two events, since they are not nearly on the same scale.

As for demanding apologies since "all countries have committed wrongs and/or altered textbooks" again, it's not the same--most people don't comprehend the extent to which the Japanese wrecked havoc not only in China, but in Korea and the rest of Asia.

To the people that keep saying "it's in the past!!" please look at events in historical context. You're saying atrocities committed fifty years ago should simply be forgotten? That's barely one generation. It's very easy to say when you're family isn't the one affected by this. There are very strong feelings on the side of the Chinese, try to be a little understanding before going off on the patented American rants.

Let's say 9/11 was on the scale of hundreds of thousands of people. Enemy soldiers came in and raped and killed and tortured American citizens. And let's say it was committed by a formal government, and that that government became a leading economic power and denied that 9/11 ever occurred. Fifty years from now, it's okay for them to deny it and have shrines to the rapists and murderers simply because "it was in the past" and "you were not directly affected" and "the people in power now weren't responsible"???

To the korean who kept talking about N and S Korea... you really believe US military presence is good for South Korea? Take a look at your own country man, the US occupation has very problematic consequences for SKorea that will be felt for a long time.

That said, this is going nowhere as nobody can really relate to WeWantPeace, who understandably speaks from a very emotional point of view. (Hence the very.. err.. strong posts)

Also, all the people crying tolerance and forgiveness don't truly grasp how important this issue is to the Chinese people as a whole. Yes, we all know tolerance and forgiveness are big happy concepts that should be pursued, but try to open your mind a little ok?

On April 23 2004 23:48 Hot_Bid wrote:
In time this Iraq war will be seen in the same light as Vietnam, and Bush will be criticized severely (even more than he is now). Unfortunately by then he will have done quite a bit of damage.

On April 23 2004 23:44 Hot_Bid wrote:
Stop comparing massacres of hundreds of thousands of people with a put down of a protest in a square. yes the Chinese government is socialist, yes it put down a democractic protest, but seriously, it is a disgrace to dead of world war 2 to compare the two events, since they are not nearly on the same scale.

As for demanding apologies since "all countries have committed wrongs and/or altered textbooks" again, it's not the same--most people don't comprehend the extent to which the Japanese wrecked havoc not only in China, but in Korea and the rest of Asia.

To the people that keep saying "it's in the past!!" please look at events in historical context. You're saying atrocities committed fifty years ago should simply be forgotten? That's barely one generation. It's very easy to say when you're family isn't the one affected by this. There are very strong feelings on the side of the Chinese, try to be a little understanding before going off on the patented American rants.

Let's say 9/11 was on the scale of hundreds of thousands of people. Enemy soldiers came in and raped and killed and tortured American citizens. And let's say it was committed by a formal government, and that that government became a leading economic power and denied that 9/11 ever occurred. Fifty years from now, it's okay for them to deny it and have shrines to the rapists and murderers simply because "it was in the past" and "you were not directly affected" and "the people in power now weren't responsible"???

To the korean who kept talking about N and S Korea... you really believe US military presence is good for South Korea? Take a look at your own country man, the US occupation has very problematic consequences for SKorea that will be felt for a long time.

That said, this is going nowhere as nobody can really relate to WeWantPeace, who understandably speaks from a very emotional point of view. (Hence the very.. err.. strong posts)

Also, all the people crying tolerance and forgiveness don't truly grasp how important this issue is to the Chinese people as a whole. Yes, we all know tolerance and forgiveness are big happy concepts that should be pursued, but try to open your mind a little ok?