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On April 24 2004 00:50 Hot_Bid wrote:
i was refering more towards the thousands of korean women that are forced into debt and serve as prostitutes for the american military bases. it creates disjointed families, not to mention abused wives and children.
Then the same applies for SE asia and Japan too. It's not just a Korean thing. But yeah... sex whores suck too
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I think it better for you to shut up!
For you know nothing about what happened between China and Japan!
SO it will be very lash and ludicrous of you to say anything before knowing its background!
On April 24 2004 00:58 fender-pro wrote:
Hey, we want peace, smoke smth relaxing... try to be up to ur nick..
U want peace? By hating someone or somewhat u will not ever reach it. Hm, i, actually, think u will hold yours own anyway, so gl to u with ur childish understanding of the peace.
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Yeah, exactly!
Anyway, I think apology is also a very important issue!
We have already exempted war compensation from Japan. But we can't lose the appology from them, you know ,dignity is very crucial !
On April 24 2004 00:56 haduken wrote:
servolisk... chinese are not asking the japanese to apologise, they only ask that the japanese government to stop lying and aknowledge the past. U'd be surprised the percentage of japanese that are totally unware of their nation's past.
The japanese right wing groups actually have a huge influence in their government which is why it is tolerated and even to an extend encouraged...
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On April 24 2004 01:21 we want peace wrote: I think it better for you to shut up! For you know nothing about what happened between China and Japan! SO it will be very lash and ludicrous of you to say anything before knowing its background! Show nested quote +On April 24 2004 00:58 fender-pro wrote:
Hey, we want peace, smoke smth relaxing... try to be up to ur nick..
U want peace? By hating someone or somewhat u will not ever reach it. Hm, i, actually, think u will hold yours own anyway, so gl to u with ur childish understanding of the peace. Wait doesn't he have the right to say whatever!!! Or does your lack of education interfere with your mind thus saying the comment you did!
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I'm not forcing him to shut up, I said"you'd better' which is a signal of suggestion!
Of course, anyone can express here, no matter how ignorant he is of the issue that is being discussed, or how blind he is to the fact!
But I aim to reflect what is true! That's it!
On April 24 2004 01:25 DV8 wrote: Show nested quote +On April 24 2004 01:21 we want peace wrote: I think it better for you to shut up! For you know nothing about what happened between China and Japan! SO it will be very lash and ludicrous of you to say anything before knowing its background! On April 24 2004 00:58 fender-pro wrote:
Hey, we want peace, smoke smth relaxing... try to be up to ur nick..
U want peace? By hating someone or somewhat u will not ever reach it. Hm, i, actually, think u will hold yours own anyway, so gl to u with ur childish understanding of the peace. Wait doesn't he have the right to say whatever!!! Or does your lack of education interfere with your mind thus saying the comment you did!
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On April 24 2004 01:36 we want peace wrote: I'm not forcing him to shut up, I said"you'd better' which is a signal of suggestion! Of course, anyone can express here, no matter how ignorant he is of the issue that is being discussed, or how blind he is to the fact! But I aim to reflect what is true! That's it! Show nested quote +On April 24 2004 01:25 DV8 wrote: On April 24 2004 01:21 we want peace wrote: I think it better for you to shut up! For you know nothing about what happened between China and Japan! SO it will be very lash and ludicrous of you to say anything before knowing its background! On April 24 2004 00:58 fender-pro wrote:
Hey, we want peace, smoke smth relaxing... try to be up to ur nick..
U want peace? By hating someone or somewhat u will not ever reach it. Hm, i, actually, think u will hold yours own anyway, so gl to u with ur childish understanding of the peace. Wait doesn't he have the right to say whatever!!! Or does your lack of education interfere with your mind thus saying the comment you did!
So when you directly tell people to shut up its you making a suggestion and when someone disagrees with you its them trying to shut you up? Oh thats right your a completely unfair individual who only thinks a post is correct and impartial when it coincides with what you are thinking. Hypocrisy is a bitch ain't it.
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two very important factors
End of Cold War
Traditional ethnic animosity between Japan and China
End of Cold meant that nations are not identified and determined by the bi-polar idealogy struggle between the Communist bloc and the Western bloc. Nations are now 'free' to decide how they will form themselves in this new world.
This leads onto my next point, there is no more restrictions over traditional ethnic tension and animosity. Natural tension between China and Japan is unaviodable.
Now let us not dwell on the past, and pointing blames at each other, we must view everything in new context rather than usin history as the measurement. What is the new direction Asia is going, this is the crucial issue
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we want peace... honestly i fink u better look at the world in new context. Being patriotic is good, but it wont solve anything. i fink u really need to get a new understanding of the present situation.
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Yeah, the current situatuation is that the jap gov refuse to say sorry. that's it!
On April 24 2004 02:41 LastRomance wrote:
we want peace... honestly i fink u better look at the world in new context. Being patriotic is good, but it wont solve anything. i fink u really need to get a new understanding of the present situation.
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On April 23 2004 04:44 we want peace wrote: Show nested quote +On April 23 2004 04:10 FrozenArbiter wrote:
You said yourself that these were rightist, and by that I take it you mean extremists.. You can't judge a country just from that. However, I'm not extremely fond of Japan, a lot of it probably stems from having spent too much time with koreans but also from reading about just what they did during WWII :/
However, that was a different generation almost entirely,
I think the way you are talking now is very much uncalled for. Is there any INDEPENDENT news article about this, in english preferably since I do not speak mandarine/cantonese etc. I'm a new generation born in 1983, but that doesn't mean that I should forget what Japan has done to us in the past. You know, the country doesn't feel guilty of its criminal action in WORLD WAR 2. Every year, the priminister of the country memories the war criminals whose hands were stuffed with blood of the Chinese, Koreans and many other Asian countries. I don't need hatred, but what Japan is doing corners me to hate it! You said you want to read the independent article. But I'm sorry, the world seldom reflects fairly about the crazy action of Japan both in the past and now. So I can not find any English news about the incident till now. In Chinese, it is enough, I can read enough information about the terrorist attack on China's embassy. I think I can translate them into English.
I'm aware of that, and I think what they have done is truly horrid - obviously I won't feel as strongly about this as someone who's had first hand experience.
I'm also aware of the fact that they refuse to acknowledge what happened - which gives a good basis for disliking or even hating the GOVERMENT.. I'm sure there are a lot of educated japanese people who do not agree with the way their goverment is handling this, at all.
And I don't trust Chinese sources to give a 100% fair view of things, just as I don't trust Swedish sources 100% in matters related to us (well like anything ever happens here..), or US sources when it's related to the US.
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On April 23 2004 06:15 Probe (H) wrote:
Its stupid to have hatred because your granddads had a fight with each other. This way of thinking you will get another war (economic). However in Europe we now have the E.U. which is a very close band between country's who were at war in the earlier century's.
And which is also about to turn europe into a 'big brother' state...
It sure is comforting to hear about plans to save every phone call of every single citizen for 5 years..
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On April 23 2004 06:22 we want peace wrote: Show nested quote +On April 23 2004 06:13 FreeZEternal wrote: On April 23 2004 06:09 we want peace wrote: On April 23 2004 05:57 FreeZEternal wrote:
I have some chinese friends and taiwanese friends and from hong kong. Kinda weird...either i'm with my chinese friends or taiwanese friends...i can't be with both -_-;;;; I should say that Taiwan is a part of China, and Taiwanese is also Chinese. I don't want to say North or South Korea. cause I'd rather regard you as one nation on the peninsula The first time I met them i was like...are you chinese? They responded: "No", I'm taiwanese -_-;. I know the problem you have described, but if you do a poll in any city in China, I'm sure, most of the people will tell you that Taiwan is a province of China. The public opinion is very important
*Mainland Chinese towns, yes.. Do that same poll in Taiwan and I'm pretty sure you'll get a different answer. China has expanded a lot during these last 100 years I believe.. You guys are not free of guilt either. Tibet anyone?
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On April 23 2004 07:18 AgonyRush wrote:
Ok. read the whole thread and seriously, its dumb as hell. You say japanese dont say sorry to you. You are few generations away from the war why the fuck should they ask for your forgivness? You didnt fucking fought in it, even your parents didnt. So what is exactly your problem? Apart from that i think it is allowed for them to hate the rest of the world- two nukes thrown on them give them that right. And its we, who should say sorry for what happened to them.
Everything isn't black and white.. The Japanese were horribly cruel, one wrong doesn't make a right you know--
These guys threw philipean babies up in the air, to let them land on the tips of their bajonets..
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind!
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On April 23 2004 08:09 we want peace wrote: Yeah,listen! They initiated ww2. They killed and raped inncocent people, the number of which was over 300,000 in a single place in Nanjing on the day of Dec 9 1937. AT that time, they held the match in killing Chinese people. After the war, the Chinese government exempted the war compensations from Japan. And many famlies raised and brought up the Japanese orphans in China. But today, they denied the existence of ww2, their priminister momerizes the war criminals in a certain temple every year, and some rightist shouts that they will kill back to Asia once again. Is it enough? Show nested quote +On April 23 2004 08:03 AgonyRush wrote: On April 23 2004 08:00 we want peace wrote: On April 23 2004 07:54 AgonyRush wrote: On April 23 2004 07:53 we want peace wrote:
It is mad for me to love some one that once hurt me and deny saying sorry to me.
And it's an ilogical action too! When the fuck did they hurt you? Can you understand English? I have made it quite clear in the past posts what the Japanese soldiers did in the past! Why are you blind to that? I'm wondering whether you have any ability to read! you still didnt tell me how the fuck did they hurt YOU! YOU!
-_- Chinese soldiers competed with eachother to see who could destroy the most temples - during the cultural revolution. This caused the destruction of a significant part of chinese history, has your goverment apoligized for this, and the countless other crimes/war crimes they have commited? And yes, Japan did do all the things you have said - but your goverment is doing very similiar things.. And at least the Japanese are no longer doing it..unlike certain others.
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Yeah, maybe you are right in terms of the poll in Taiwan. But any use of that?
Only the opinions of most people can count!
The president of Sweden should be selected by most Swedish people, but not 0.001% of your population, isn'it?
On April 24 2004 04:28 FrozenArbiter wrote: Show nested quote +On April 23 2004 06:22 we want peace wrote: On April 23 2004 06:13 FreeZEternal wrote: On April 23 2004 06:09 we want peace wrote: On April 23 2004 05:57 FreeZEternal wrote:
I have some chinese friends and taiwanese friends and from hong kong. Kinda weird...either i'm with my chinese friends or taiwanese friends...i can't be with both -_-;;;; I should say that Taiwan is a part of China, and Taiwanese is also Chinese. I don't want to say North or South Korea. cause I'd rather regard you as one nation on the peninsula The first time I met them i was like...are you chinese? They responded: "No", I'm taiwanese -_-;. I know the problem you have described, but if you do a poll in any city in China, I'm sure, most of the people will tell you that Taiwan is a province of China. The public opinion is very important *Mainland Chinese towns, yes.. Do that same poll in Taiwan and I'm pretty sure you'll get a different answer. China has expanded a lot during these last 100 years I believe.. You guys are not free of guilt either. Tibet anyone?
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On April 23 2004 08:14 Wildchild wrote: Show nested quote +On April 23 2004 06:58 we want peace wrote: On April 23 2004 06:54 FreeZEternal wrote:
Anywayz, I hope some day South and Noth come together as one country+_+
Resources in the NOrth + Technology in South and industries = Strong Korean peninsula;; Yeah,strong peninsula benefits China as well. And that time ,my wish that we want peace can come true completely. I hope a united Korea comes soon or at least North Korea gives up its Nuclear Weapons. If both of these don't occur, everyone in the region will also pursue them. That includes Japan.
Hm.. realistically it cannot be all that soon due to the economic situation.. Should they merge, the country will be plunged into a humongous national debt..
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Maybe, unification will not happen right now. But I'm sure, it is going to be in the future!
You know, it is strong willing and desire to unite the whole country in China! Many people are eager about that.
The Chinese will never invade other countries, but want to keep our own land.
On April 24 2004 04:45 FrozenArbiter wrote: Show nested quote +On April 23 2004 08:14 Wildchild wrote: On April 23 2004 06:58 we want peace wrote: On April 23 2004 06:54 FreeZEternal wrote:
Anywayz, I hope some day South and Noth come together as one country+_+
Resources in the NOrth + Technology in South and industries = Strong Korean peninsula;; Yeah,strong peninsula benefits China as well. And that time ,my wish that we want peace can come true completely. I hope a united Korea comes soon or at least North Korea gives up its Nuclear Weapons. If both of these don't occur, everyone in the region will also pursue them. That includes Japan. Hm.. realistically it cannot be all that soon due to the economic situation.. Should they merge, the country will be plunged into a humongous national debt..
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On April 23 2004 08:26 we want peace wrote: You will never understand the feeling of Asians to Japan. And I don't need you to. Beacause you are not Asians, and you have a different way of thinking. But remember, you canot prevent us from asking for apology from Japan for what they have done. It's our right to do so. And we will never give up that easily because of you r objection! Show nested quote +On April 23 2004 08:22 AgonyRush wrote: On April 23 2004 08:19 we want peace wrote:
They deny the exsitence of ww2 by failing to say sorry to Asia. they dont have to. they didnt do it.
They didn't jump me, but they jumped and killed my countrymen. So, that's the very reason that I hate Japan!
50 YEARS AGO!!!!
It's not the fact that you are asking for an apology - I think everyone can understand why you want that and why you should really truly get that.. It's rather the fact that you guys jump japanese people, you say you hate japan.. Japan is a country with 127,214,499 inhabitants.. How many of those would you say bear any responsibility for what happened? Not a whole lot, now - how many of those do you think bear any responsibility for the japanese goverment not apoligizing? Yet again, not a whole lot though most likely more than those actually responsible for those actions..
What we are saying, or at least what I am saying, is that hating every single Japanese is not going to make things better, indeed - it may make it worse.
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On April 23 2004 08:29 longer_23 wrote:
Hey, i hardly notice any japanese id at TL.net, or any other starcraft community. OMG, japanese don't play sc! hideous crime! Patch 1.11 should remove those badass Yamoto bc from Terran arsenal.
Actually do they play any made-out-of-japan games these days?
I've played a couple (maybe just one, can't remember) japanese people in War 3, and I know there is a japanese version of starcraft (language, not a unique game).
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I do hate Japan, but have I said that I hate all the people there?
I have said it heaps of times that I hate Jap gov. And I have also said that I want make friends with those japanese who are honest in front of history
On April 24 2004 04:53 FrozenArbiter wrote: Show nested quote +On April 23 2004 08:26 we want peace wrote: You will never understand the feeling of Asians to Japan. And I don't need you to. Beacause you are not Asians, and you have a different way of thinking. But remember, you canot prevent us from asking for apology from Japan for what they have done. It's our right to do so. And we will never give up that easily because of you r objection! On April 23 2004 08:22 AgonyRush wrote: On April 23 2004 08:19 we want peace wrote:
They deny the exsitence of ww2 by failing to say sorry to Asia. they dont have to. they didnt do it.
They didn't jump me, but they jumped and killed my countrymen. So, that's the very reason that I hate Japan!
50 YEARS AGO!!!! It's not the fact that you are asking for an apology - I think everyone can understand why you want that and why you should really truly get that.. It's rather the fact that you guys jump japanese people, you say you hate japan.. Japan is a country with 127,214,499 inhabitants.. How many of those would you say bear any responsibility for what happened? Not a whole lot, now - how many of those do you think bear any responsibility for the japanese goverment not apoligizing? Yet again, not a whole lot though most likely more than those actually responsible for those actions.. What we are saying, or at least what I am saying, is that hating every single Japanese is not going to make things better, indeed - it may make it worse.
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