On May 14 2010 05:55 RoosterSamurai wrote: I wonder how much they pay him a week? I would totally hire a shaolin monk, if nothing else, for the fun of it.
if you read the news article u woulda know.
to all of you who doubt the autheticity of real kung fu, the human body is much more powerful than u think, remember the jump the scene where morpheus shows neo how to do the jump in the matrix?
anyhow i've been looking around for videos on these shaolin monks, and i have to say its quite an eye opener of what these monks are capable or, actually i'm just surprised at what the human body is capable of...
still though, all is for naught unless they can do crazier shit like stopping bullets, they make a great body guard in a country where guns aren't available widely i guess.
This video actually makes me kinda sad about the state of national geographic. I understand it's a documentary, but at least they could not talk about chi under the assumption that it's real. Is there any scientific evidence for the existence of chi? Why not just say the monks believe that chi is the thing that can do this. I thought the footage was cool, but the tone of the narrator was weird to me.
On May 14 2010 07:50 aseq wrote: I think you're pretty gullible if you believe all that Shaolin stuff is true. Pika Chu, i'd really like to see that example, I don't believe it for a second.
Sure, they train lots and are strong. But making skin inpenetratable? Making any part of the body as hard as steel? Just tell me how this works biologically. If it were true, some unbiased scientific setup would have checked this...yup it's a coincidence this has never happened. You can't break sticks that have a diameter of 1 inch against a wall...but you can against a shaolin mork? Don't be ridiculous, attack power is equal!
I do believe they can resist pain very well. But there's this video of a western guy taking a kick to the balls, so it's surely not limited to shaolin style. But all the other stuff, breaking things and resisting cuts is just magic tricks or something. Heh, drunk post btw, hope i didnt offend anyone.
i've seen man pierce their skins with hundreds of needle through all parts of their body, including their face, and when they pull out the needles the wounds wouldn't bleed and the wounds/hole heals within days... check out this indian celebrations called thaipusam in the south-east asia. there are loads of stuff in this world that science couldn't explain, just because it cannot be explained by science then it must not be real?
i do agree though it is kinda strange the military/scientist did not look into these phenomenon and study their potential applications.
wait a minute.... this thread ain't about kung fu discussion -.-
On May 14 2010 05:55 RoosterSamurai wrote: I wonder how much they pay him a week? I would totally hire a shaolin monk, if nothing else, for the fun of it.
to all of you who doubt the autheticity of real kung fu, the human body is much more powerful than u think, remember the jump the scene where morpheus shows neo how to do the jump in the matrix?
anyhow i've been looking around for videos on these shaolin monks, and i have to say its quite an eye opener of what these monks are capable or, actually i'm just surprised at what the human body is capable of...
still though, all is for naught unless they can do crazier shit like stopping bullets, they make a great body guard in a country where guns aren't available widely i guess.
This video actually makes me kinda sad about the state of national geographic. I understand it's a documentary, but at least they could not talk about chi under the assumption that it's real. Is there any scientific evidence for the existence of chi? Why not just say the monks believe that chi is the thing that can do this. I thought the footage was cool, but the tone of the narrator was weird to me.
The narrator actually says it can be tracked as heat in that exact video around the 2:30 mark. It of course also says that the degree to which it can be used comes from physical training.
On May 14 2010 06:22 JiYan wrote: lol you actually are thinking it might be fake? shaolin monks have been doing this for over a thousand years mang
if jackie chan, a man who is willing to freefall off of a 3 story building for his art, uses rigged pieces of wood for his scenes, then i simply dont buy it.
That's hardly the same thing. These people train this art since childhood.
And I'm pretty sure, but correct me if I'm wrong, Jackie Chan did NOT go through the type of training these monks do. Actually Jackie Chan has broken his bones dozens of times.
Jackie Chan was a stuntman before becoming a major actor. So of course he uses rigged pieces when filming movies, lol.
actually jackie chan has been training in a chinese opera school where they were training stunts on a wooden floor since he was 6. Yea i've read his autobiography. So yes he did go through that kind of training.
No, it's not the same as these monks go through. You can't compare Jackie Chan to Shaolin monks. He's a stuntman, and these guys dedicate their lives to hardcore training.
And also, my cousin's boyfriend has been exercising Tai Qi for many many years (10-15+) and he can do some really impressive stuff, so I have more than enough reason to believe that this stuff is 100% real.
you just dont know much about jackie chan what did u think he dedicated his life to? Sitting around eating donuts? Why do you think we dont see unchokable/unKo-able people in MMA? Did they not dedicate their lives to training? And also how is it relevant that you know someone who does impressive stuff? Fighters' skulls can withstand far greater impact then that of normal people but in a car press, everybody head squish the same.
On May 14 2010 07:50 aseq wrote: I think you're pretty gullible if you believe all that Shaolin stuff is true. Pika Chu, i'd really like to see that example, I don't believe it for a second.
Sure, they train lots and are strong. But making skin inpenetratable? Making any part of the body as hard as steel? Just tell me how this works biologically. If it were true, some unbiased scientific setup would have checked this...yup it's a coincidence this has never happened. You can't break sticks that have a diameter of 1 inch against a wall...but you can against a shaolin mork? Don't be ridiculous, attack power is equal!
I do believe they can resist pain very well. But there's this video of a western guy taking a kick to the balls, so it's surely not limited to shaolin style. But all the other stuff, breaking things and resisting cuts is just magic tricks or something. Heh, drunk post btw, hope i didnt offend anyone.
i've seen man pierce their skins with hundreds of needle through all parts of their body, including their face, and when they pull out the needles the wounds wouldn't bleed and the wounds/hole heals within days... check out this indian celebrations called thaipusam in the south-east asia. there are loads of stuff in this world that science couldn't explain, just because it cannot be explained by science then it must not be real?
i do agree though it is kinda strange the military/scientist did not look into these phenomenon and study their potential applications.
wait a minute.... this thread ain't about kung fu discussion -.-
The fact that you can't explain why they don't bleed when punctured doesn't imply that "science couldn't explain" it. Please don't draw conclusions like that.
On May 14 2010 07:50 aseq wrote: I think you're pretty gullible if you believe all that Shaolin stuff is true. Pika Chu, i'd really like to see that example, I don't believe it for a second.
Sure, they train lots and are strong. But making skin inpenetratable? Making any part of the body as hard as steel? Just tell me how this works biologically. If it were true, some unbiased scientific setup would have checked this...yup it's a coincidence this has never happened. You can't break sticks that have a diameter of 1 inch against a wall...but you can against a shaolin mork? Don't be ridiculous, attack power is equal!
I do believe they can resist pain very well. But there's this video of a western guy taking a kick to the balls, so it's surely not limited to shaolin style. But all the other stuff, breaking things and resisting cuts is just magic tricks or something. Heh, drunk post btw, hope i didnt offend anyone.
i've seen man pierce their skins with hundreds of needle through all parts of their body, including their face, and when they pull out the needles the wounds wouldn't bleed and the wounds/hole heals within days... check out this indian celebrations called thaipusam in the south-east asia. there are loads of stuff in this world that science couldn't explain, just because it cannot be explained by science then it must not be real?
i do agree though it is kinda strange the military/scientist did not look into these phenomenon and study their potential applications.
wait a minute.... this thread ain't about kung fu discussion -.-
The fact that you can't explain why they don't bleed when punctured doesn't imply that "science couldn't explain" it. Please don't draw conclusions like that.
it was an example to present my point, which is do not dismiss a fact as a "false/magic tricks" only because it is unexplainable by science or been investigated by scientific methods. i did not imply that the fact the guy doesn't bleed from a puncture wounds as something that could not be explained by science, hence my next paragraph of i wonder why these rather peculiar phenomenon isn't being investigate...
read what people write and don't simply put words into my mouth...
Chi is somewhat real. I've personally seen a Tai Chi master light a lightbulb with his bare hands. Too bad he is/was arrogant. Also I practice a bit, the "gentle" application of certain points on my head by my teacher (another Tai Chi user) was more then enough to make me keel over in pain. He was more into the healing type though. (He pressure pointed me as a tiny joke when I was being a tad cocky lol.) All humans emit electricity, therefore there is a way to "harness" and even the flow of the energy. I guess you can call it the "inner wind." Look at other martial arts around the world, and just military training in general. There are many amazing feats humans can do.
On May 14 2010 09:48 Reaper9 wrote: Chi is somewhat real. I've personally seen a Tai Chi master light a lightbulb with his bare hands. Too bad he is/was arrogant. Also I practice a bit, the "gentle" application of certain points on my head by my teacher (another Tai Chi user) was more then enough to make me keel over in pain. He was more into the healing type though. All humans emit electricity, therefore there is a way to "harness" and even the flow of the energy. I guess you can call it the "inner wind" Look at other martial arts around the world, and just military training in general. There are many amazing feats humans can do.
lol I've seen a man throw a deck of cards at a pane of glass and have my card stick to the other side of the glass. It doesn't make it any less a trick.
It's up to people to personally witness these things in order to confirm it's plausibility. I really can't convince anyone otherwise. But yes, in extreme conditions and training, humans can do amazing things. There's a time when you know it's a party trick, and there's a time where you can actually feel and do it.
Chi isn't real, why do you guys believe in ancient fantasy crap when the human bodies potential is far more beautiful then blaming it on some bullshit "energy" that no one possesses.
On May 14 2010 09:53 Reaper9 wrote: It's up to people to personally witness these things in order to confirm it's plausibility. I really can't convince anyone otherwise. But yes, in extreme conditions and training, humans can do amazing things. There's a time when you know it's a party trick, and there's a time where you can actually feel and do it.
And then there's a time when some guy makes the Statue of Liberty disappear and you feel like you just got trolled. I think we need to keep things in perspective. It's very possible that the Shaolin monks can do things with their body that we consider superhuman. It's not possible that skin withstands an electric drill. It's possible that monks hang themselves for a minute. It's not possible that they do it for a month. See where I'm going here? If it's physically impossible, it didn't happen, no exceptions.
On May 14 2010 07:50 aseq wrote: I think you're pretty gullible if you believe all that Shaolin stuff is true. Pika Chu, i'd really like to see that example, I don't believe it for a second.
Sure, they train lots and are strong. But making skin inpenetratable? Making any part of the body as hard as steel? Just tell me how this works biologically. If it were true, some unbiased scientific setup would have checked this...yup it's a coincidence this has never happened. You can't break sticks that have a diameter of 1 inch against a wall...but you can against a shaolin mork? Don't be ridiculous, attack power is equal!
I do believe they can resist pain very well. But there's this video of a western guy taking a kick to the balls, so it's surely not limited to shaolin style. But all the other stuff, breaking things and resisting cuts is just magic tricks or something. Heh, drunk post btw, hope i didnt offend anyone.
i've seen man pierce their skins with hundreds of needle through all parts of their body, including their face, and when they pull out the needles the wounds wouldn't bleed and the wounds/hole heals within days... check out this indian celebrations called thaipusam in the south-east asia. there are loads of stuff in this world that science couldn't explain, just because it cannot be explained by science then it must not be real?
i do agree though it is kinda strange the military/scientist did not look into these phenomenon and study their potential applications.
wait a minute.... this thread ain't about kung fu discussion -.-
The fact that you can't explain why they don't bleed when punctured doesn't imply that "science couldn't explain" it. Please don't draw conclusions like that.
it was an example to present my point, which is do not dismiss a fact as a "false/magic tricks" only because it is unexplainable by science or been investigated by scientific methods. i did not imply that the fact the guy doesn't bleed from a puncture wounds as something that could not be explained by science, hence my next paragraph of i wonder why these rather peculiar phenomenon isn't being investigate...
read what people write and don't simply put words into my mouth...
You said:
i've seen man pierce their skins with hundreds of needle through all parts of their body, including their face, and when they pull out the needles the wounds wouldn't bleed and the wounds/hole heals within days...
followed it with:
check out this indian celebrations called thaipusam in the south-east asia.
then stated:
there are loads of stuff in this world that science couldn't explain, just because it cannot be explained by science then it must not be real?
Did you actually read what you said before you told me not to put words in your mouth? I ask because it's pretty obvious that you meant for those three statements to be tied together, don't get mad at me and start backpedaling, just think before you say things like that.
On May 14 2010 06:22 JiYan wrote: lol you actually are thinking it might be fake? shaolin monks have been doing this for over a thousand years mang
if jackie chan, a man who is willing to freefall off of a 3 story building for his art, uses rigged pieces of wood for his scenes, then i simply dont buy it.
That's hardly the same thing. These people train this art since childhood.
And I'm pretty sure, but correct me if I'm wrong, Jackie Chan did NOT go through the type of training these monks do. Actually Jackie Chan has broken his bones dozens of times.
Jackie Chan was a stuntman before becoming a major actor. So of course he uses rigged pieces when filming movies, lol.
actually jackie chan has been training in a chinese opera school where they were training stunts on a wooden floor since he was 6. Yea i've read his autobiography. So yes he did go through that kind of training.
No, it's not the same as these monks go through. You can't compare Jackie Chan to Shaolin monks. He's a stuntman, and these guys dedicate their lives to hardcore training.
And also, my cousin's boyfriend has been exercising Tai Qi for many many years (10-15+) and he can do some really impressive stuff, so I have more than enough reason to believe that this stuff is 100% real.
you just dont know much about jackie chan what did u think he dedicated his life to? Sitting around eating donuts? Why do you think we dont see unchokable/unKo-able people in MMA? Did they not dedicate their lives to training? And also how is it relevant that you know someone who does impressive stuff? Fighters' skulls can withstand far greater impact then that of normal people but in a car press, everybody head squish the same.
And who do you think you are, himself in person? I'm simply saying that Jackie Chan didn't go through the exact same things as Shaolin monks.
On May 14 2010 09:53 Reaper9 wrote: It's up to people to personally witness these things in order to confirm it's plausibility. I really can't convince anyone otherwise. But yes, in extreme conditions and training, humans can do amazing things. There's a time when you know it's a party trick, and there's a time where you can actually feel and do it.
No, actually its up to scientist doing a series of controlled experiments to decide a claim's viability.
History is full of people who knew it wasn't a party trick, and it was.
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