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On May 19 2010 09:46 Fontong wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2010 08:42 Disastorm wrote:On May 19 2010 06:31 Fontong wrote:
I would compare it to western magic shows. They do a lot of 'impossible' stuff in them too, but once it is explained to you they are usually really simple. I wouldn't compare it to magic shows at all. Magic shows have alot of actual fake things in them. Like you mentioned, monk abilities are all real, its just easier to do it then you expect. I don't believe monks try to deceive anyone either, if you were to ask them how its done they would probably tell you straight out. They don't really use any illusions either. For example, it appears that their head is breaking something. What actually happened is that their head broke something. Sure it may only be a certain part of the head, but what happens is real. All of martial arts is based on these principles. All joint locks and arm bars are all based on exploting weak or strong points of the human body. the same applies for striking, that is why there are techniques to punching, and likewise there are techniques to getting attacked. If you were to try to punch someone in the head and they moved their head in such a way that you hit the "hard" part of their head, they would basically receive little to no damage and your hand would instead be extremely damaged. I just said to compare it. Of course western magic has a lot of things that are just completely illusions. What I meant was that everything you are seeing might not be exactly how it first looks. I also meant that each performance is well rehearsed and each demonstration has methods that make it possible. In contrast, it's not that same thing as a athletic competition, such as a track meet. It's definitely a performance.
So what if those performance is rehearsed and they uses certain method? That doesn't mean they can't use those skills in real life. That's the point about martial art, you train for different encounter, and you will eventually deal with all of them. Same goes with military drills, if rehearsal is just for show, why bother right? 
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the guy at 1:45 would have a good golf swing
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On May 19 2010 09:57 furymonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2010 09:46 Fontong wrote:On May 19 2010 08:42 Disastorm wrote:On May 19 2010 06:31 Fontong wrote:
I would compare it to western magic shows. They do a lot of 'impossible' stuff in them too, but once it is explained to you they are usually really simple. I wouldn't compare it to magic shows at all. Magic shows have alot of actual fake things in them. Like you mentioned, monk abilities are all real, its just easier to do it then you expect. I don't believe monks try to deceive anyone either, if you were to ask them how its done they would probably tell you straight out. They don't really use any illusions either. For example, it appears that their head is breaking something. What actually happened is that their head broke something. Sure it may only be a certain part of the head, but what happens is real. All of martial arts is based on these principles. All joint locks and arm bars are all based on exploting weak or strong points of the human body. the same applies for striking, that is why there are techniques to punching, and likewise there are techniques to getting attacked. If you were to try to punch someone in the head and they moved their head in such a way that you hit the "hard" part of their head, they would basically receive little to no damage and your hand would instead be extremely damaged. I just said to compare it. Of course western magic has a lot of things that are just completely illusions. What I meant was that everything you are seeing might not be exactly how it first looks. I also meant that each performance is well rehearsed and each demonstration has methods that make it possible. In contrast, it's not that same thing as a athletic competition, such as a track meet. It's definitely a performance.
So what if those performance is rehearsed and they uses certain method? That doesn't mean they can't use those skills in real life. That's the point about martial art, you train for different encounter, and you will eventually deal with all of them. Same goes with military drills, if rehearsal is just for show, why bother right?
Yes it does. The guy isn't going to hit them 1/3 down the stick on the special part of his head or whatever, he's going to hit him in the cheekbone with a baseball bat and shatter his face.
They aren't going to get bendy spears and prop them up in a particular manner, they are going to shank him in the jugular and he is going to bleed out in 30 seconds.
The difference with military drills is that they are training you to deal with real life situations, or at least giving you some of the best possible training to deal with any scenario that you may come up against, whereas these monks are performing feats that can only be done under certain conditions.
I am however uncertain on this whole chi thing.
It just sounds like complete horseshit, but I've seen and heard things that make me question this. Specifically peoples ability to control their bodily functions, people who go without food and water etc for seemingly impossible amounts of time, people who can steam sheets dry within a few hours whereas you or I would be found a shivering wreck a day later.. and that video with that guy using chi where he seemed to zap people and it appeared (although sure it's possibly all faked) that impartial people were totally getting zapped.. this kinda stuff shows we don't know everything and certain abilities/skills that would normally be deemed impossible or supernatural are in fact quite clearly possible...
Pretty much every sensible poster has made this point, but I feel the need to reiterate it:
No one is saying these guys are pussies.. they train themselves to stand on their heads (hell even one finger) hang by their necks for extended periods of time, withstand extreme amounts of pain and deal blows that could break bones, however they are not fucking invincible.
Anything demonstrating the ability to withstand a metal point is a parlour trick 100%.
Whatever the true extent of their abilities though, they are quite clearly badass motherfuckers.
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On May 19 2010 10:34 Reason wrote:
Yes it does. The guy isn't going to hit them 1/3 down the stick on the special part of his head or whatever, he's going to hit him in the cheekbone with a baseball bat and shatter his face.
They aren't going to get bendy spears and prop them up in a particular manner, they are going to shank him in the jugular and he is going to bleed out in 30 seconds.
The difference with military drills is that they are training you to deal with real life situations, or at least giving you some of the best possible training to deal with any scenario that you may come up against, whereas these monks are performing feats that can only be done under certain conditions.
The techniques they display are simply illustrations of their overall ability. Its probably likely that they can withstand a baseball bat (to the chest) alot better than a regular person. These abilities they illustrate will definitely help them in a real fight. How do you know that they can't actively defend against a real attacker with a knife? Their ability to ignore pain by hanging themselves or by kicking balls is no gimmick, if someone in real life were to choke them or hit them in the balls, they would still have full concentration in the fight, which would be a huge advantage over a non-trained person.
As I said earlier, if it wasn't for techniques like these, grappling and arm bars would have never been invented. Would you ever consider an arm bar unrealistic simply because it can only be done under certain conditions?
Anyway, I just wanted to point this stuff out, but I know you mentioned that you know they have alot of skill and are still bad ass.
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Im gonna be honest. The monk would probably just defend itself by being iron. Not sure the ironess carries over to the child. It's not like its an aura or iron field or something.
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Of course monks abilities are real. Their superhuman feats include Turtle Striking Wave (Kamehameha) , Spread Bullet (Kakusandan) , Double Air Gun (Double Kihō) and Destructo Disc (Kienzan).
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@ drill and saw if its not strengthening bone through duress alone then its qi control too
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Lol it's real. . . and all. And no not all monks are so peaceful. In fact if i'm not mistaken the shaolin used to assassinate people.
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