Chinese parents hire 'Iron Man' kung fu monk to guard child
A family in the south of China has hired a Shaolin monk to protect their six-year-old daughter on the way to school in the wake of a series of attacks on Chinese kindergartens.
Hu Qiong, a 38-year-old monk who began studying kung fu at the Shaolin temple aged eight, was hired by the Liu family to accompany their daughter to and from school each day, according to the Shanghai Daily newspaper.
The monk won notoriety two years ago at the China Martial Arts Stunts competition by holding a fast spinning electric drill to his head and stomach without sustaining any injuries. He also caught a running electric saw with his bare hands, winning him the nickname "Iron Man".
Child attackers BEWARE!
i thought it was funny at first, then again i guess it makes sense, better to have a kick-ass shaolin monk in ur school to protect u rather than a black suit body guards to freak out everyone...
i can't the the video where he did the stunt where he drilled his own head though, any1 can find it?
The monk won notoriety two years ago at the China Martial Arts Stunts competition by holding a fast spinning electric drill to his head
His years of kung fu training obviously thickened his skull to allow him to perform such a feat. Hopefully he never needs brain surgery, the doctors would have no way of getting to the brain.
Wtf catching running electric saw what is this. This is kind of madness, but I guess so are the acts that this is supposed to defend against. I really want to see video of that monk in action though. There's no way.... drill + saw = ???
On May 14 2010 00:39 AyJay wrote: I'm kinda new to this forum, but is this serious? Or just a good troll?
Well, i wouldn't be surprised if someone would hire a 'bodyguard' for their kids. It has been 5th or even 6th attack to Chinese kindergartens/small schools this year.
Hopely this is true, and it'll save some lives if some crazy will decide to do such thing.
It's possible to reinforce bone like that. It's like the tiger claw technique. They jab their fingers into hard surfaces causing mini breaks in bone. Eventually the finger tips get so reinforced from the healing process that they can tear into flesh like claws.
On May 14 2010 00:39 AyJay wrote: I'm kinda new to this forum, but is this serious? Or just a good troll?
Well, i wouldn't be surprised if someone would hire a 'bodyguard' for their kids. It has been 5th or even 6th attack to Chinese kindergartens/small schools this year.
Hopely this is true, and it'll save some lives if some crazy will decide to do such thing.
But come on... Monk as bodyguard? Sounds ridiculous
Full Metal Panic was the first thing that came to my mind for some odd reason. Having a kung fu master go to school with you is pretty bad ass. Her show and tell presentation will be the envy of the entire school.
And anyway, I believe they normally use diamond-tipped drill bits when going through the skull because of how goddamn hard it is. I guess it didn't break the skin either, but who knows; there's probably an explanation beyond secret ninja powers.
All people who think this is fake need to learn more about their neurons and their body
On May 14 2010 00:46 Attica wrote: It's possible to reinforce bone like that. It's like the tiger claw technique. They jab their fingers into hard surfaces causing mini breaks in bone. Eventually the finger tips get so reinforced from the healing process that they can tear into flesh like claws.
The guy from Africa knows what hes talking about :D
On May 14 2010 02:09 numbingeuphoria wrote: This sounds like a Disney family film about to go horribly wrong, only Jackie Chan should be playing the part of the monk.
or a remake of the denzel washington flick. Man on fire was it?
I've studied chinese martial arts for a while and I don't feel that these performances the monks do are anything more than stage tricks for show, to promote the organization and name of Shaolin. They can train themselves to be quite tough, but they bleed as well as any other.
On May 14 2010 02:22 Warrior Madness wrote: This is ridiculous but people react to shock in funny ways. IMHO they should just train the kid on firearms and arm him at school.
This is just viral marketing for some new film where Jackie Chan is an old monk coming out of retirement to protect a child and find redemption for old sins through the love and friendship of a child.
On May 14 2010 04:25 KwarK wrote: This is just viral marketing for some new film where Jackie Chan is an old monk coming out of retirement to protect a child and find redemption for old sins through the love and friendship of a child.
Haha wow... Good job for the parents I guess. That little girl must be feeling very protected... and that video is insane. Taking hits like that made me cringe. Whether it is fake or not.. damn.
On May 14 2010 05:55 RoosterSamurai wrote: I wonder how much they pay him a week? I would totally hire a shaolin monk, if nothing else, for the fun of it.
if you read the news article u woulda know.
to all of you who doubt the autheticity of real kung fu, the human body is much more powerful than u think, remember the jump the scene where morpheus shows neo how to do the jump in the matrix?
anyhow i've been looking around for videos on these shaolin monks, and i have to say its quite an eye opener of what these monks are capable or, actually i'm just surprised at what the human body is capable of...
still though, all is for naught unless they can do crazier shit like stopping bullets, they make a great body guard in a country where guns aren't available widely i guess.
On May 14 2010 06:22 JiYan wrote: lol you actually are thinking it might be fake? shaolin monks have been doing this for over a thousand years mang
if jackie chan, a man who is willing to freefall off of a 3 story building for his art, uses rigged pieces of wood for his scenes, then i simply dont buy it.
This is real, i've seen it and know people who teaches it, regarding Jet li he didn't train at the Shaolin Temple, however he did his first film there..Jet li was part of the Beijing wushu team
On May 14 2010 06:42 DoubleAce wrote: This is real, i've seen it and know people who teaches it, regarding Jet li he didn't train at the Shaolin Temple, however he did his first film there..Jet li was part of the Beijing wushu team
Whoops I meant sort of Buddhist school, not the Shaolin temples. D: edit:Wushu is a form of material arts related to Kung Fu.
On May 14 2010 06:22 JiYan wrote: lol you actually are thinking it might be fake? shaolin monks have been doing this for over a thousand years mang
if jackie chan, a man who is willing to freefall off of a 3 story building for his art, uses rigged pieces of wood for his scenes, then i simply dont buy it.
That's hardly the same thing. These people train this art since childhood.
And I'm pretty sure, but correct me if I'm wrong, Jackie Chan did NOT go through the type of training these monks do. Actually Jackie Chan has broken his bones dozens of times.
Jackie Chan was a stuntman before becoming a major actor. So of course he uses rigged pieces when filming movies, lol.
On May 14 2010 06:22 JiYan wrote: lol you actually are thinking it might be fake? shaolin monks have been doing this for over a thousand years mang
if jackie chan, a man who is willing to freefall off of a 3 story building for his art, uses rigged pieces of wood for his scenes, then i simply dont buy it.
That's hardly the same thing. These people train this art since childhood.
And I'm pretty sure, but correct me if I'm wrong, Jackie Chan did NOT go through the type of training these monks do. Actually Jackie Chan has broken his bones dozens of times.
Jackie Chan was a stuntman before becoming a major actor. So of course he uses rigged pieces when filming movies, lol.
actually jackie chan has been training in a chinese opera school where they were training stunts on a wooden floor since he was 6. Yea i've read his autobiography. So yes he did go through that kind of training.
Yes it is possible. I remember seeing a live demonstration of a 68 year old aikido master. After concentrating for 5-10minutes the knife (sharp, he tested it on different things) would simply not pierce his skin. He had the knife on a support with the blade up and he kept on hitting it with his palm until the knife would get a little bit bent. No blood no cut on his hand.
And he wasn't a shaolin master (which are known to do "impossible" stuff like these).
On May 14 2010 06:22 JiYan wrote: lol you actually are thinking it might be fake? shaolin monks have been doing this for over a thousand years mang
if jackie chan, a man who is willing to freefall off of a 3 story building for his art, uses rigged pieces of wood for his scenes, then i simply dont buy it.
That's hardly the same thing. These people train this art since childhood.
And I'm pretty sure, but correct me if I'm wrong, Jackie Chan did NOT go through the type of training these monks do. Actually Jackie Chan has broken his bones dozens of times.
Jackie Chan was a stuntman before becoming a major actor. So of course he uses rigged pieces when filming movies, lol.
actually jackie chan has been training in a chinese opera school where they were training stunts on a wooden floor since he was 6. Yea i've read his autobiography. So yes he did go through that kind of training.
No, it's not the same as these monks go through. You can't compare Jackie Chan to Shaolin monks. He's a stuntman, and these guys dedicate their lives to hardcore training.
And also, my cousin's boyfriend has been exercising Tai Qi for many many years (10-15+) and he can do some really impressive stuff, so I have more than enough reason to believe that this stuff is 100% real.
I think you're pretty gullible if you believe all that Shaolin stuff is true. Pika Chu, i'd really like to see that example, I don't believe it for a second.
Sure, they train lots and are strong. But making skin inpenetratable? Making any part of the body as hard as steel? Just tell me how this works biologically. If it were true, some unbiased scientific setup would have checked this...yup it's a coincidence this has never happened. You can't break sticks that have a diameter of 1 inch against a wall...but you can against a shaolin mork? Don't be ridiculous, attack power is equal!
I do believe they can resist pain very well. But there's this video of a western guy taking a kick to the balls, so it's surely not limited to shaolin style. But all the other stuff, breaking things and resisting cuts is just magic tricks or something. Heh, drunk post btw, hope i didnt offend anyone.
On May 14 2010 00:39 AyJay wrote: I'm kinda new to this forum, but is this serious? Or just a good troll?
Well, i wouldn't be surprised if someone would hire a 'bodyguard' for their kids. It has been 5th or even 6th attack to Chinese kindergartens/small schools this year.
Hopely this is true, and it'll save some lives if some crazy will decide to do such thing.
But come on... Monk as bodyguard? Sounds ridiculous
How so? Remember his is a Martial Arts monk, not just the meditating type. I'd rather have one of those than some burly guy with a beer belly or giant muscle head tbh.
edit: watching the video, the sticks break wayy too cleanly...as do the bricks or w.e, they wouldn't all have the same perfect cut right down the middle
On May 14 2010 05:55 RoosterSamurai wrote: I wonder how much they pay him a week? I would totally hire a shaolin monk, if nothing else, for the fun of it.
to all of you who doubt the autheticity of real kung fu, the human body is much more powerful than u think, remember the jump the scene where morpheus shows neo how to do the jump in the matrix?
anyhow i've been looking around for videos on these shaolin monks, and i have to say its quite an eye opener of what these monks are capable or, actually i'm just surprised at what the human body is capable of...
still though, all is for naught unless they can do crazier shit like stopping bullets, they make a great body guard in a country where guns aren't available widely i guess.
This video actually makes me kinda sad about the state of national geographic. I understand it's a documentary, but at least they could not talk about chi under the assumption that it's real. Is there any scientific evidence for the existence of chi? Why not just say the monks believe that chi is the thing that can do this. I thought the footage was cool, but the tone of the narrator was weird to me.
On May 14 2010 07:50 aseq wrote: I think you're pretty gullible if you believe all that Shaolin stuff is true. Pika Chu, i'd really like to see that example, I don't believe it for a second.
Sure, they train lots and are strong. But making skin inpenetratable? Making any part of the body as hard as steel? Just tell me how this works biologically. If it were true, some unbiased scientific setup would have checked this...yup it's a coincidence this has never happened. You can't break sticks that have a diameter of 1 inch against a wall...but you can against a shaolin mork? Don't be ridiculous, attack power is equal!
I do believe they can resist pain very well. But there's this video of a western guy taking a kick to the balls, so it's surely not limited to shaolin style. But all the other stuff, breaking things and resisting cuts is just magic tricks or something. Heh, drunk post btw, hope i didnt offend anyone.
i've seen man pierce their skins with hundreds of needle through all parts of their body, including their face, and when they pull out the needles the wounds wouldn't bleed and the wounds/hole heals within days... check out this indian celebrations called thaipusam in the south-east asia. there are loads of stuff in this world that science couldn't explain, just because it cannot be explained by science then it must not be real?
i do agree though it is kinda strange the military/scientist did not look into these phenomenon and study their potential applications.
wait a minute.... this thread ain't about kung fu discussion -.-
On May 14 2010 05:55 RoosterSamurai wrote: I wonder how much they pay him a week? I would totally hire a shaolin monk, if nothing else, for the fun of it.
to all of you who doubt the autheticity of real kung fu, the human body is much more powerful than u think, remember the jump the scene where morpheus shows neo how to do the jump in the matrix?
anyhow i've been looking around for videos on these shaolin monks, and i have to say its quite an eye opener of what these monks are capable or, actually i'm just surprised at what the human body is capable of...
still though, all is for naught unless they can do crazier shit like stopping bullets, they make a great body guard in a country where guns aren't available widely i guess.
This video actually makes me kinda sad about the state of national geographic. I understand it's a documentary, but at least they could not talk about chi under the assumption that it's real. Is there any scientific evidence for the existence of chi? Why not just say the monks believe that chi is the thing that can do this. I thought the footage was cool, but the tone of the narrator was weird to me.
The narrator actually says it can be tracked as heat in that exact video around the 2:30 mark. It of course also says that the degree to which it can be used comes from physical training.
On May 14 2010 06:22 JiYan wrote: lol you actually are thinking it might be fake? shaolin monks have been doing this for over a thousand years mang
if jackie chan, a man who is willing to freefall off of a 3 story building for his art, uses rigged pieces of wood for his scenes, then i simply dont buy it.
That's hardly the same thing. These people train this art since childhood.
And I'm pretty sure, but correct me if I'm wrong, Jackie Chan did NOT go through the type of training these monks do. Actually Jackie Chan has broken his bones dozens of times.
Jackie Chan was a stuntman before becoming a major actor. So of course he uses rigged pieces when filming movies, lol.
actually jackie chan has been training in a chinese opera school where they were training stunts on a wooden floor since he was 6. Yea i've read his autobiography. So yes he did go through that kind of training.
No, it's not the same as these monks go through. You can't compare Jackie Chan to Shaolin monks. He's a stuntman, and these guys dedicate their lives to hardcore training.
And also, my cousin's boyfriend has been exercising Tai Qi for many many years (10-15+) and he can do some really impressive stuff, so I have more than enough reason to believe that this stuff is 100% real.
you just dont know much about jackie chan what did u think he dedicated his life to? Sitting around eating donuts? Why do you think we dont see unchokable/unKo-able people in MMA? Did they not dedicate their lives to training? And also how is it relevant that you know someone who does impressive stuff? Fighters' skulls can withstand far greater impact then that of normal people but in a car press, everybody head squish the same.
On May 14 2010 07:50 aseq wrote: I think you're pretty gullible if you believe all that Shaolin stuff is true. Pika Chu, i'd really like to see that example, I don't believe it for a second.
Sure, they train lots and are strong. But making skin inpenetratable? Making any part of the body as hard as steel? Just tell me how this works biologically. If it were true, some unbiased scientific setup would have checked this...yup it's a coincidence this has never happened. You can't break sticks that have a diameter of 1 inch against a wall...but you can against a shaolin mork? Don't be ridiculous, attack power is equal!
I do believe they can resist pain very well. But there's this video of a western guy taking a kick to the balls, so it's surely not limited to shaolin style. But all the other stuff, breaking things and resisting cuts is just magic tricks or something. Heh, drunk post btw, hope i didnt offend anyone.
i've seen man pierce their skins with hundreds of needle through all parts of their body, including their face, and when they pull out the needles the wounds wouldn't bleed and the wounds/hole heals within days... check out this indian celebrations called thaipusam in the south-east asia. there are loads of stuff in this world that science couldn't explain, just because it cannot be explained by science then it must not be real?
i do agree though it is kinda strange the military/scientist did not look into these phenomenon and study their potential applications.
wait a minute.... this thread ain't about kung fu discussion -.-
The fact that you can't explain why they don't bleed when punctured doesn't imply that "science couldn't explain" it. Please don't draw conclusions like that.
On May 14 2010 07:50 aseq wrote: I think you're pretty gullible if you believe all that Shaolin stuff is true. Pika Chu, i'd really like to see that example, I don't believe it for a second.
Sure, they train lots and are strong. But making skin inpenetratable? Making any part of the body as hard as steel? Just tell me how this works biologically. If it were true, some unbiased scientific setup would have checked this...yup it's a coincidence this has never happened. You can't break sticks that have a diameter of 1 inch against a wall...but you can against a shaolin mork? Don't be ridiculous, attack power is equal!
I do believe they can resist pain very well. But there's this video of a western guy taking a kick to the balls, so it's surely not limited to shaolin style. But all the other stuff, breaking things and resisting cuts is just magic tricks or something. Heh, drunk post btw, hope i didnt offend anyone.
i've seen man pierce their skins with hundreds of needle through all parts of their body, including their face, and when they pull out the needles the wounds wouldn't bleed and the wounds/hole heals within days... check out this indian celebrations called thaipusam in the south-east asia. there are loads of stuff in this world that science couldn't explain, just because it cannot be explained by science then it must not be real?
i do agree though it is kinda strange the military/scientist did not look into these phenomenon and study their potential applications.
wait a minute.... this thread ain't about kung fu discussion -.-
The fact that you can't explain why they don't bleed when punctured doesn't imply that "science couldn't explain" it. Please don't draw conclusions like that.
it was an example to present my point, which is do not dismiss a fact as a "false/magic tricks" only because it is unexplainable by science or been investigated by scientific methods. i did not imply that the fact the guy doesn't bleed from a puncture wounds as something that could not be explained by science, hence my next paragraph of i wonder why these rather peculiar phenomenon isn't being investigate...
read what people write and don't simply put words into my mouth...
Chi is somewhat real. I've personally seen a Tai Chi master light a lightbulb with his bare hands. Too bad he is/was arrogant. Also I practice a bit, the "gentle" application of certain points on my head by my teacher (another Tai Chi user) was more then enough to make me keel over in pain. He was more into the healing type though. (He pressure pointed me as a tiny joke when I was being a tad cocky lol.) All humans emit electricity, therefore there is a way to "harness" and even the flow of the energy. I guess you can call it the "inner wind." Look at other martial arts around the world, and just military training in general. There are many amazing feats humans can do.
On May 14 2010 09:48 Reaper9 wrote: Chi is somewhat real. I've personally seen a Tai Chi master light a lightbulb with his bare hands. Too bad he is/was arrogant. Also I practice a bit, the "gentle" application of certain points on my head by my teacher (another Tai Chi user) was more then enough to make me keel over in pain. He was more into the healing type though. All humans emit electricity, therefore there is a way to "harness" and even the flow of the energy. I guess you can call it the "inner wind" Look at other martial arts around the world, and just military training in general. There are many amazing feats humans can do.
lol I've seen a man throw a deck of cards at a pane of glass and have my card stick to the other side of the glass. It doesn't make it any less a trick.
It's up to people to personally witness these things in order to confirm it's plausibility. I really can't convince anyone otherwise. But yes, in extreme conditions and training, humans can do amazing things. There's a time when you know it's a party trick, and there's a time where you can actually feel and do it.
Chi isn't real, why do you guys believe in ancient fantasy crap when the human bodies potential is far more beautiful then blaming it on some bullshit "energy" that no one possesses.
On May 14 2010 09:53 Reaper9 wrote: It's up to people to personally witness these things in order to confirm it's plausibility. I really can't convince anyone otherwise. But yes, in extreme conditions and training, humans can do amazing things. There's a time when you know it's a party trick, and there's a time where you can actually feel and do it.
And then there's a time when some guy makes the Statue of Liberty disappear and you feel like you just got trolled. I think we need to keep things in perspective. It's very possible that the Shaolin monks can do things with their body that we consider superhuman. It's not possible that skin withstands an electric drill. It's possible that monks hang themselves for a minute. It's not possible that they do it for a month. See where I'm going here? If it's physically impossible, it didn't happen, no exceptions.
On May 14 2010 07:50 aseq wrote: I think you're pretty gullible if you believe all that Shaolin stuff is true. Pika Chu, i'd really like to see that example, I don't believe it for a second.
Sure, they train lots and are strong. But making skin inpenetratable? Making any part of the body as hard as steel? Just tell me how this works biologically. If it were true, some unbiased scientific setup would have checked this...yup it's a coincidence this has never happened. You can't break sticks that have a diameter of 1 inch against a wall...but you can against a shaolin mork? Don't be ridiculous, attack power is equal!
I do believe they can resist pain very well. But there's this video of a western guy taking a kick to the balls, so it's surely not limited to shaolin style. But all the other stuff, breaking things and resisting cuts is just magic tricks or something. Heh, drunk post btw, hope i didnt offend anyone.
i've seen man pierce their skins with hundreds of needle through all parts of their body, including their face, and when they pull out the needles the wounds wouldn't bleed and the wounds/hole heals within days... check out this indian celebrations called thaipusam in the south-east asia. there are loads of stuff in this world that science couldn't explain, just because it cannot be explained by science then it must not be real?
i do agree though it is kinda strange the military/scientist did not look into these phenomenon and study their potential applications.
wait a minute.... this thread ain't about kung fu discussion -.-
The fact that you can't explain why they don't bleed when punctured doesn't imply that "science couldn't explain" it. Please don't draw conclusions like that.
it was an example to present my point, which is do not dismiss a fact as a "false/magic tricks" only because it is unexplainable by science or been investigated by scientific methods. i did not imply that the fact the guy doesn't bleed from a puncture wounds as something that could not be explained by science, hence my next paragraph of i wonder why these rather peculiar phenomenon isn't being investigate...
read what people write and don't simply put words into my mouth...
You said:
i've seen man pierce their skins with hundreds of needle through all parts of their body, including their face, and when they pull out the needles the wounds wouldn't bleed and the wounds/hole heals within days...
followed it with:
check out this indian celebrations called thaipusam in the south-east asia.
then stated:
there are loads of stuff in this world that science couldn't explain, just because it cannot be explained by science then it must not be real?
Did you actually read what you said before you told me not to put words in your mouth? I ask because it's pretty obvious that you meant for those three statements to be tied together, don't get mad at me and start backpedaling, just think before you say things like that.
On May 14 2010 06:22 JiYan wrote: lol you actually are thinking it might be fake? shaolin monks have been doing this for over a thousand years mang
if jackie chan, a man who is willing to freefall off of a 3 story building for his art, uses rigged pieces of wood for his scenes, then i simply dont buy it.
That's hardly the same thing. These people train this art since childhood.
And I'm pretty sure, but correct me if I'm wrong, Jackie Chan did NOT go through the type of training these monks do. Actually Jackie Chan has broken his bones dozens of times.
Jackie Chan was a stuntman before becoming a major actor. So of course he uses rigged pieces when filming movies, lol.
actually jackie chan has been training in a chinese opera school where they were training stunts on a wooden floor since he was 6. Yea i've read his autobiography. So yes he did go through that kind of training.
No, it's not the same as these monks go through. You can't compare Jackie Chan to Shaolin monks. He's a stuntman, and these guys dedicate their lives to hardcore training.
And also, my cousin's boyfriend has been exercising Tai Qi for many many years (10-15+) and he can do some really impressive stuff, so I have more than enough reason to believe that this stuff is 100% real.
you just dont know much about jackie chan what did u think he dedicated his life to? Sitting around eating donuts? Why do you think we dont see unchokable/unKo-able people in MMA? Did they not dedicate their lives to training? And also how is it relevant that you know someone who does impressive stuff? Fighters' skulls can withstand far greater impact then that of normal people but in a car press, everybody head squish the same.
And who do you think you are, himself in person? I'm simply saying that Jackie Chan didn't go through the exact same things as Shaolin monks.
On May 14 2010 09:53 Reaper9 wrote: It's up to people to personally witness these things in order to confirm it's plausibility. I really can't convince anyone otherwise. But yes, in extreme conditions and training, humans can do amazing things. There's a time when you know it's a party trick, and there's a time where you can actually feel and do it.
No, actually its up to scientist doing a series of controlled experiments to decide a claim's viability.
History is full of people who knew it wasn't a party trick, and it was.
Just contributing my experience here since I've actually seen a shaolin monks show at the temple. Everything they do looks very real and amazing but questionable. One of the main ones is the iron neck thing with spears. I get the feeling it has to do with how the spears are positioned because when I saw it, it was also with two spears at a angle (like the video). Breaking the wood sticks on random body parts could very well be real. They do a lot of show with them before they hit someone by smashing them on the ground and bending them slightly to prove authenticity. They also do some things with needles and other weapons but don't seem physically possible and probably involves some trick.
I would have to assume most physical skills are real as the audience is allowed pretty damn close to the circle, I would assume wires might be noticeable. They are also half naked so other forms of trickery would be difficult as well.
Also, for those who care, they have large amounts of children training from a young age and live there. You can also pay to 'train' there for a month or two if you wanted :D
And on topic, I'm pretty sure a shaolin monk would be going a little overboard, anyone with limited martial arts training would probably be enough. I agree with those who said it was for some fame.
On May 15 2010 05:21 Pika Chu wrote: Biology as any science, isn't mature it is evolving. It does not know everything about the human body so don't take it as a bible.
When you take current science as a dogma without any critic perception of it you become no better than religious fanatics.
the fact that not everything is known does not make improbable phenomena any more probable. and there's a difference between believing in religion and understanding science
On May 14 2010 05:55 RoosterSamurai wrote: I wonder how much they pay him a week? I would totally hire a shaolin monk, if nothing else, for the fun of it.
to all of you who doubt the autheticity of real kung fu, the human body is much more powerful than u think, remember the jump the scene where morpheus shows neo how to do the jump in the matrix?
anyhow i've been looking around for videos on these shaolin monks, and i have to say its quite an eye opener of what these monks are capable or, actually i'm just surprised at what the human body is capable of...
still though, all is for naught unless they can do crazier shit like stopping bullets, they make a great body guard in a country where guns aren't available widely i guess.
i don't think that bringing up a scene from a movie that uses a lot of special effects helps you prove your point.
On May 15 2010 06:31 Jonoman92 wrote: Kinda stupid. They hit him with skinny wooden poles that break on impact? Hit him with a real baseball bat to the body and see how he takes it.
Wouldn't call those skinny wooden poles. Would you like to be hit with one of those? But yeah, would be interesting to see the results after a hit with a baseball bat.
On May 15 2010 06:31 Jonoman92 wrote: Kinda stupid. They hit him with skinny wooden poles that break on impact? Hit him with a real baseball bat to the body and see how he takes it.
I guess you missed the part where a guy gets kicked in the balls 10 consecutive times
The human body is capable of a lot more than most people would suspect even without some sort of mystical training. I wouldn't be at all surprised if a person was able to withstand having 2X4's broken over their arms, legs, or head... particularly if they underwent this kind of training for all their lives since a young age. A lot of the pain is no longer an issue once you've been hit enough to completely desensitize the nerves in the area. They still do this for many other martial arts as well as various types of military training. There are also techniques one could employ to absorb the impact as well. Broken bones also heal stronger than they were before they were broken.
I've not seen the bit about the drill or electric saw, but I probably wouldn't go so far as to believe any such claims off the bat. The human body, despite its resiliance, certainly has its limits. Most of the performances involving sharp objects have scientific explanations behind them that can be explained. One of the most common examples is people who will lie on a bed of nails. The number of nails makes it seem all the more amazing, but that's actually the factor that allows for someone to do this because it causes the weight to be distributed over the many nails as opposed to a single one. If it was a single nail or spike, they would probably be impaled immediately.
How is this thread STILL GOING ON? Let me be clear: there is NO discussion to be had.
You CANNOT make your skin inpenetrable by training martial arts.
You CANNOT voluntarily cause your testes to retract. The body pulls the testes into the interior of the body to protect sperm from extreme cold.
I'm one degree removed from an honest-to-god Chinese "Master" in kung-fu, incorporating ba gua zhang, chi gong, xingyi, tai ji, shaolin, white crane, li tsi ming, and whatever else they could get their hands on. I've studied under my teacher, and my teacher's teacher, who learned directly from this master, as well as another assistant teacher both before and after he changed schools, and still a fourth teacher from a third school. This master I'm most familiar with preferred to teach xingyi by hiding it in baqua and teaching principles with shaolin. I've also punched my second teacher's master at a demonstration (yes, he was quite tough: a short, round, muscular Chinese man - but a haymaker from a huge black college student caused him to stagger backward).
Here's the thing: Nothing I encountered in all of the time I spent in Chinese martial arts even so much as hinted at a way to become extraordinarily resilient. Yes, you can become much tougher and more powerful than a stereotypical "fat american slob" through intense training. You can become a great athlete.
You CANNOT become a superman. You can't prevent yourself from being cut by a bladed weapon, or heaven forbid a motorized edge.
Many stage tricks are employed in these traveling shaolin shows. They are just shows. They are entertainment (and propaganda). They do NOT hint at greater powers to be had.
This includes getting hit in the testicles. This is an easy and well known trick, you set up the demonstration so that the person kicking you cannot really make a good impact. Yeah, it hurts, but your gonads are safe. I actually saw documentary footage about this trick last year, but I haven't been able to find it again. It was at one of those "chi" schools.
What infuriates me about threads like these is that people will argue in defense of superstitious, unscientific things and come away thinking that the possibility still exists. Get it out of your head. Grow up, enter the adult world. It does not exist in the realm of possibility. You will never repel the impact of real sharpened sword or a spear or a chainsaw. Never.
Well obviously if Shaolin Monks were invincible, they wouldn't have gotten killed all the time by barbarians, thiefs, and raiders throughout the course of history. The only reason these monks developed these martial arts in the first place was to stand a fighting chance and protect themselves from being slaughtered and robbed...
On May 19 2010 03:52 Delerium wrote: How is this thread STILL GOING ON? Let me be clear: there is NO discussion to be had.
You CANNOT make your skin inpenetrable by training martial arts.
You CANNOT voluntarily cause your testes to retract. The body pulls the testes into the interior of the body to protect sperm from extreme cold.
I'm one degree removed from an honest-to-god Chinese "Master" in kung-fu, incorporating ba gua zhang, chi gong, xingyi, tai ji, shaolin, white crane, li tsi ming, and whatever else they could get their hands on. I've studied under my teacher, and my teacher's teacher, who learned directly from this master, as well as another assistant teacher both before and after he changed schools, and still a fourth teacher from a third school. This master I'm most familiar with preferred to teach xingyi by hiding it in baqua and teaching principles with shaolin. I've also punched my second teacher's master at a demonstration (yes, he was quite tough: a short, round, muscular Chinese man - but a haymaker from a huge black college student caused him to stagger backward).
Here's the thing: Nothing I encountered in all of the time I spent in Chinese martial arts even so much as hinted at a way to become extraordinarily resilient. Yes, you can become much tougher and more powerful than a stereotypical "fat american slob" through intense training. You can become a great athlete.
You CANNOT become a superman. You can't prevent yourself from being cut by a bladed weapon, or heaven forbid a motorized edge.
Many stage tricks are employed in these traveling shaolin shows. They are just shows. They are entertainment (and propaganda). They do NOT hint at greater powers to be had.
This includes getting hit in the testicles. This is an easy and well known trick, you set up the demonstration so that the person kicking you cannot really make a good impact. Yeah, it hurts, but your gonads are safe. I actually saw documentary footage about this trick last year, but I haven't been able to find it again. It was at one of those "chi" schools.
What infuriates me about threads like these is that people will argue in defense of superstitious, unscientific things and come away thinking that the possibility still exists. Get it out of your head. Grow up, enter the adult world. It does not exist in the realm of possibility. You will never repel the impact of real sharpened sword or a spear or a chainsaw. Never.
So, what you're saying is that everything they do in those videos linked here are completely fake? I've always been sceptical about stuff like this, and I have to see it with my own eyes before deciding to believe it or not. But I'm just curious about how they possibly can fake all this stuff.
On May 19 2010 03:52 Delerium wrote: How is this thread STILL GOING ON? Let me be clear: there is NO discussion to be had.
You CANNOT make your skin inpenetrable by training martial arts.
You CANNOT voluntarily cause your testes to retract. The body pulls the testes into the interior of the body to protect sperm from extreme cold.
I'm one degree removed from an honest-to-god Chinese "Master" in kung-fu, incorporating ba gua zhang, chi gong, xingyi, tai ji, shaolin, white crane, li tsi ming, and whatever else they could get their hands on. I've studied under my teacher, and my teacher's teacher, who learned directly from this master, as well as another assistant teacher both before and after he changed schools, and still a fourth teacher from a third school. This master I'm most familiar with preferred to teach xingyi by hiding it in baqua and teaching principles with shaolin. I've also punched my second teacher's master at a demonstration (yes, he was quite tough: a short, round, muscular Chinese man - but a haymaker from a huge black college student caused him to stagger backward).
Here's the thing: Nothing I encountered in all of the time I spent in Chinese martial arts even so much as hinted at a way to become extraordinarily resilient. Yes, you can become much tougher and more powerful than a stereotypical "fat american slob" through intense training. You can become a great athlete.
You CANNOT become a superman. You can't prevent yourself from being cut by a bladed weapon, or heaven forbid a motorized edge.
Many stage tricks are employed in these traveling shaolin shows. They are just shows. They are entertainment (and propaganda). They do NOT hint at greater powers to be had.
This includes getting hit in the testicles. This is an easy and well known trick, you set up the demonstration so that the person kicking you cannot really make a good impact. Yeah, it hurts, but your gonads are safe. I actually saw documentary footage about this trick last year, but I haven't been able to find it again. It was at one of those "chi" schools.
What infuriates me about threads like these is that people will argue in defense of superstitious, unscientific things and come away thinking that the possibility still exists. Get it out of your head. Grow up, enter the adult world. It does not exist in the realm of possibility. You will never repel the impact of real sharpened sword or a spear or a chainsaw. Never.
So, what you're saying is that everything they do in those videos linked here are completely fake? I've always been sceptical about stuff like this, and I have to see it with my own eyes before deciding to believe it or not. But I'm just curious about how they possibly can fake all this stuff.
It's not 'completely fake' as you might put it. A lot of their feats still take a lot of strength and training to pull off. They just combine their training with illusions to make 'impossible' things happen.
I watched a documentary (discovery channel I believe?) where they demonstrated the methods behind some of their shows. For example, breaking the pig iron and thick sticks on their heads involved striking it at a certain place, I believe 1/3 down the shaft, which is a point where the stick is easiest to break just due to the way force is applied to it. So yeah, to break the stick still requires you to have a hard head, but it's made easier by the methods by which they do it.
I would compare it to western magic shows. They do a lot of 'impossible' stuff in them too, but once it is explained to you they are usually really simple.
On May 19 2010 06:31 Pika Chu wrote: Delerium is god! He knows everything! He is always right!
And his nickname sealed the deal.
His first hand experience with actual masters is a lot better than your anecdotes.
On May 15 2010 06:31 Jonoman92 wrote: Kinda stupid. They hit him with skinny wooden poles that break on impact? Hit him with a real baseball bat to the body and see how he takes it.
I guess you missed the part where a guy gets kicked in the balls 10 consecutive times
Get a cup?
Alot of what is done are canry tricks like the spears is a carny trick anyone can do that you just have to keep moving in 1 direction and place it correctly. The carny version is bending rebar or breaking spears etc.
Drilling his own head :D It's of course impossible, that poor girl is now attracting the serial killer group's attention with newspaper articles and has a false shaolin monk to protect her, gg
On May 14 2010 01:43 viletomato wrote: The attackers will just have to bring a gun next time.... I doubt those iron shaolin monks can take bullets.
if he can take kicks and sticks to his "balls" I believe he can take a bullet or 2
I definitely believe monks can take bullets without feeling the pain, but they will unfortunately still take the damage of the bullet and can still die.
Also for people talking about being able to take hits to the balls, there are some supposed shaolin training methods you can read about and one of them is basically they constantly punch their balls until they don't feel it anymore to train them.
On May 19 2010 06:31 Fontong wrote: I would compare it to western magic shows. They do a lot of 'impossible' stuff in them too, but once it is explained to you they are usually really simple.
I wouldn't compare it to magic shows at all. Magic shows have alot of actual fake things in them. Like you mentioned, monk abilities are all real, its just easier to do it then you expect. I don't believe monks try to deceive anyone either, if you were to ask them how its done they would probably tell you straight out.
They don't really use any illusions either. For example, it appears that their head is breaking something. What actually happened is that their head broke something. Sure it may only be a certain part of the head, but what happens is real. All of martial arts is based on these principles.
All joint locks and arm bars are all based on exploting weak or strong points of the human body. the same applies for striking, that is why there are techniques to punching, and likewise there are techniques to getting attacked. If you were to try to punch someone in the head and they moved their head in such a way that you hit the "hard" part of their head, they would basically receive little to no damage and your hand would instead be extremely damaged.
On May 14 2010 08:02 Shizuru~ wrote: i do agree though it is kinda strange the military/scientist did not look into these phenomenon and study their potential applications. wait a minute.... this thread ain't about kung fu discussion -.-
There actually have been some studies by one of those famous universities, forget which one, on monks abilities to generate heat. They were found to be able to be able to sleep in freezing cold weather with only their robes and without shivering at all, and upon placing wet towels on their back steam would rise and it would dry off much quicker than normal.
On May 19 2010 06:31 Fontong wrote: I would compare it to western magic shows. They do a lot of 'impossible' stuff in them too, but once it is explained to you they are usually really simple.
I wouldn't compare it to magic shows at all. Magic shows have alot of actual fake things in them. Like you mentioned, monk abilities are all real, its just easier to do it then you expect. I don't believe monks try to deceive anyone either, if you were to ask them how its done they would probably tell you straight out.
They don't really use any illusions either. For example, it appears that their head is breaking something. What actually happened is that their head broke something. Sure it may only be a certain part of the head, but what happens is real. All of martial arts is based on these principles.
All joint locks and arm bars are all based on exploting weak or strong points of the human body. the same applies for striking, that is why there are techniques to punching, and likewise there are techniques to getting attacked. If you were to try to punch someone in the head and they moved their head in such a way that you hit the "hard" part of their head, they would basically receive little to no damage and your hand would instead be extremely damaged.
I just said to compare it. Of course western magic has a lot of things that are just completely illusions.
What I meant was that everything you are seeing might not be exactly how it first looks. I also meant that each performance is well rehearsed and each demonstration has methods that make it possible.
In contrast, it's not that same thing as a athletic competition, such as a track meet. It's definitely a performance.
On May 19 2010 06:31 Fontong wrote: I would compare it to western magic shows. They do a lot of 'impossible' stuff in them too, but once it is explained to you they are usually really simple.
I wouldn't compare it to magic shows at all. Magic shows have alot of actual fake things in them. Like you mentioned, monk abilities are all real, its just easier to do it then you expect. I don't believe monks try to deceive anyone either, if you were to ask them how its done they would probably tell you straight out.
They don't really use any illusions either. For example, it appears that their head is breaking something. What actually happened is that their head broke something. Sure it may only be a certain part of the head, but what happens is real. All of martial arts is based on these principles.
All joint locks and arm bars are all based on exploting weak or strong points of the human body. the same applies for striking, that is why there are techniques to punching, and likewise there are techniques to getting attacked. If you were to try to punch someone in the head and they moved their head in such a way that you hit the "hard" part of their head, they would basically receive little to no damage and your hand would instead be extremely damaged.
I just said to compare it. Of course western magic has a lot of things that are just completely illusions.
What I meant was that everything you are seeing might not be exactly how it first looks. I also meant that each performance is well rehearsed and each demonstration has methods that make it possible.
In contrast, it's not that same thing as a athletic competition, such as a track meet. It's definitely a performance.
So what if those performance is rehearsed and they uses certain method? That doesn't mean they can't use those skills in real life. That's the point about martial art, you train for different encounter, and you will eventually deal with all of them. Same goes with military drills, if rehearsal is just for show, why bother right?
On May 19 2010 06:31 Fontong wrote: I would compare it to western magic shows. They do a lot of 'impossible' stuff in them too, but once it is explained to you they are usually really simple.
I wouldn't compare it to magic shows at all. Magic shows have alot of actual fake things in them. Like you mentioned, monk abilities are all real, its just easier to do it then you expect. I don't believe monks try to deceive anyone either, if you were to ask them how its done they would probably tell you straight out.
They don't really use any illusions either. For example, it appears that their head is breaking something. What actually happened is that their head broke something. Sure it may only be a certain part of the head, but what happens is real. All of martial arts is based on these principles.
All joint locks and arm bars are all based on exploting weak or strong points of the human body. the same applies for striking, that is why there are techniques to punching, and likewise there are techniques to getting attacked. If you were to try to punch someone in the head and they moved their head in such a way that you hit the "hard" part of their head, they would basically receive little to no damage and your hand would instead be extremely damaged.
I just said to compare it. Of course western magic has a lot of things that are just completely illusions.
What I meant was that everything you are seeing might not be exactly how it first looks. I also meant that each performance is well rehearsed and each demonstration has methods that make it possible.
In contrast, it's not that same thing as a athletic competition, such as a track meet. It's definitely a performance.
So what if those performance is rehearsed and they uses certain method? That doesn't mean they can't use those skills in real life. That's the point about martial art, you train for different encounter, and you will eventually deal with all of them. Same goes with military drills, if rehearsal is just for show, why bother right?
Yes it does. The guy isn't going to hit them 1/3 down the stick on the special part of his head or whatever, he's going to hit him in the cheekbone with a baseball bat and shatter his face. They aren't going to get bendy spears and prop them up in a particular manner, they are going to shank him in the jugular and he is going to bleed out in 30 seconds. The difference with military drills is that they are training you to deal with real life situations, or at least giving you some of the best possible training to deal with any scenario that you may come up against, whereas these monks are performing feats that can only be done under certain conditions.
I am however uncertain on this whole chi thing. It just sounds like complete horseshit, but I've seen and heard things that make me question this. Specifically peoples ability to control their bodily functions, people who go without food and water etc for seemingly impossible amounts of time, people who can steam sheets dry within a few hours whereas you or I would be found a shivering wreck a day later.. and that video with that guy using chi where he seemed to zap people and it appeared (although sure it's possibly all faked) that impartial people were totally getting zapped.. this kinda stuff shows we don't know everything and certain abilities/skills that would normally be deemed impossible or supernatural are in fact quite clearly possible...
Pretty much every sensible poster has made this point, but I feel the need to reiterate it: No one is saying these guys are pussies.. they train themselves to stand on their heads (hell even one finger) hang by their necks for extended periods of time, withstand extreme amounts of pain and deal blows that could break bones, however they are not fucking invincible. Anything demonstrating the ability to withstand a metal point is a parlour trick 100%.
Whatever the true extent of their abilities though, they are quite clearly badass motherfuckers.
On May 19 2010 10:34 Reason wrote: Yes it does. The guy isn't going to hit them 1/3 down the stick on the special part of his head or whatever, he's going to hit him in the cheekbone with a baseball bat and shatter his face. They aren't going to get bendy spears and prop them up in a particular manner, they are going to shank him in the jugular and he is going to bleed out in 30 seconds. The difference with military drills is that they are training you to deal with real life situations, or at least giving you some of the best possible training to deal with any scenario that you may come up against, whereas these monks are performing feats that can only be done under certain conditions.
The techniques they display are simply illustrations of their overall ability. Its probably likely that they can withstand a baseball bat (to the chest) alot better than a regular person. These abilities they illustrate will definitely help them in a real fight. How do you know that they can't actively defend against a real attacker with a knife? Their ability to ignore pain by hanging themselves or by kicking balls is no gimmick, if someone in real life were to choke them or hit them in the balls, they would still have full concentration in the fight, which would be a huge advantage over a non-trained person.
As I said earlier, if it wasn't for techniques like these, grappling and arm bars would have never been invented. Would you ever consider an arm bar unrealistic simply because it can only be done under certain conditions?
Anyway, I just wanted to point this stuff out, but I know you mentioned that you know they have alot of skill and are still bad ass.
Im gonna be honest. The monk would probably just defend itself by being iron. Not sure the ironess carries over to the child. It's not like its an aura or iron field or something.
Of course monks abilities are real. Their superhuman feats include Turtle Striking Wave (Kamehameha) , Spread Bullet (Kakusandan) , Double Air Gun (Double Kihō) and Destructo Disc (Kienzan).
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