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On February 19 2010 20:01 Gnosis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 19:24 KurtistheTurtle wrote:
lol could somebody from the school give us a better view of the situation? what did the kid do/what caused them to monitor the footage? there is so much hate for the school when really it was probably 1 or 2 people who fucked it up for everybody or just an unfortunate situation. I mean, the principal going to jail? seriously? Did you get paid to post this? The school entered into the home of its students uninvited then proceeded to record their lives in certain circumstances (doesn't matter if it's a still photograph or not). The school has already shot itself in the foot by punishing this kid for something that happened inside his home.
No one knows exactly what the kid did in front of the camera, but the general consensus seems to be that the kid was blazing up or something like that, but who knows. Also, the school wasn't constantly monitoring him, it was just one or two pictures.
Also, for all of you saying that we should just uninstall the webcam drivers, the computers are MacBooks first of all and secondly, we are not allowed to install anything on these computers. They have disabled the disk mounter and you cannot copy any form of program onto the computer.
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I wonder who signed this off as a good idea.
Also, for all of you saying that we should just uninstall the webcam drivers, the computers are MacBooks first of all and secondly, we are not allowed to install anything on these computers. They have disabled the disk mounter and you cannot copy any form of program onto the computer.
Always ways to get around security limitations, especially when you have complete access to the hardware.
technically the school has the right to anything that is on the computer and has the right to confiscate or use the computer because of these forms we signed in the beginning of the year. and since the cameras are built in, some people are claiming they have a right to use the cameras remotely
No they don't -- not even in the slightest. They would [probably] have the right to search the contents of the laptop, but never to right to use it as an intermediary for peeping. Do you think a school would ever be allowed to install a security camera in a student's house? Just because the methodology is different doesn't change the result.
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lol that school is going to jail :d
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The world is getting more and more fucked up.
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On February 19 2010 12:51 Chen wrote:
invasion of privacy and first amendment rights. get together with everyone else that got a computer and sue their ass to hell.
99.99% sure this is blatantly illegal, esp if they didn't tell you that they were there, probably still illegal if they did tell you
QFT
I hope the people responsible from the schools get a hardcore banhammer coming down on them!
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So incredibly retarded. The best part is that the current SCOTUS is somewhat likely to say the school's within their rights under the Constitution.
Also, now that you all know about this, you've put pieces of tape over the webcams or something, right?
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How freaking dumb are they? Seriously who thought this would be a good idea, and then thought of the even better idea of telling the public by getting evidence against a student. The school has 0 authority when the student is home and the spy thing is just.....
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I dunno. If I'd get a laptop from a school, the first thing I'd do is format their shit and install a clean copy of windows on it 
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Can you imagine how much video they have of kids whacking off?
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Reformat all the laptops :0
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Obvious solution: tape a black piece of paper over the camera. Then sue the school for taking pictures of you involuntarily and without a warrant.
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On February 19 2010 12:47 Crazazyasian1337 wrote:So my school has recently been discovered to have been spying on its students through the built in webcams in school issued computers. These computers were given out to each and every student to take home and use for the entirety of the school year for both school work and personal use. Now a little earlier this year, a student was prosecuted for something he did at home with footage taken from his school computer used as evidence against him. Do you guys think the school should be allowed to do this? Here's a link to an article with some extra information: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed: boingboing/iBag (Boing Boing)
Alex jones was crazy. Alex jones is an extremist. Alex jones is a conspiracy nut.
Alex jones is simply looking at tucked away info, using is head and putting 2 and 2 together folks.
Alex jones is not even a prophet.
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On February 19 2010 22:37 Crazazyasian1337 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 20:01 Gnosis wrote:On February 19 2010 19:24 KurtistheTurtle wrote:
lol could somebody from the school give us a better view of the situation? what did the kid do/what caused them to monitor the footage? there is so much hate for the school when really it was probably 1 or 2 people who fucked it up for everybody or just an unfortunate situation. I mean, the principal going to jail? seriously? Did you get paid to post this? The school entered into the home of its students uninvited then proceeded to record their lives in certain circumstances (doesn't matter if it's a still photograph or not). The school has already shot itself in the foot by punishing this kid for something that happened inside his home. No one knows exactly what the kid did in front of the camera, but the general consensus seems to be that the kid was blazing up or something like that, but who knows. Also, the school wasn't constantly monitoring him, it was just one or two pictures. Also, for all of you saying that we should just uninstall the webcam drivers, the computers are MacBooks first of all and secondly, we are not allowed to install anything on these computers. They have disabled the disk mounter and you cannot copy any form of program onto the computer.
It's irrelevant what the kid was doing. Here are three problems: 1) the school was monitoring him long enough to take "one or two pictures," (which is one or two pictures too many, by the way) allowing any lawyer with half a brain to ask "how many times did they watch, how long, and who?" and 2) the school took pictures without informing anyone that these web cams can be remotely activated at any time (you know, "consent forms"), allowing the school to monitor anyone in the vicinity of the computer (not just the student) and 3) anyone with the proper know how can have access to these web cams, potentially compromising the safety of a student and his family. Just Imagine every home came installed with its very own camera and microphone and that these can be activated at any time by government, your employee or any hacker who wants a laugh. You won't consent to it unless you're living in Oceania and have no choice, or stupid.
The school's "right" to protect its property does not supersede the privacy rights of its students and their families, especially in their homes off of school property. I have to wonder about anyone who feels the school is in any way justified, even if the student was engaging in some sort of illegal activity. I also have to wonder why the school turned on his web cam while he was at home in the first place. They're going to lose any lawsuit thrown at them as they've already admitted what they've done, it's just a question of how much.
If I had been given a laptop in high school (too old for that) the first thing I would have done is format it, I don't care how many "do not's" they would have listed. I'm not one to trust school boards.
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When all is said and done, I hope the high school students get a good legal lesson out of this. Know your rights and know when you have to speak up for your rights.
The fact that the school only took photos doesn't make them any less incriminating. Since the laptop hadn't been stolen, their actions are only explained by random surveillance. It is possible that they either take random snapshots, or they could potentially take snapshots from all the laptops at set times. Out of the hundreds of staff members, someone out there is spying into your privacy. Who knows what they do with all the unreported data they collect? That is just plain creepy and fucked up.
And please don't suggest formatting the computers. Even though the schools are in blame for this case, if you decide to wipe out the computer software, you're destroying school property and you're 100% at fault. You might as well just toss the laptop into a box and close it with a lid.
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This is so sickening. seriously, spying on children in their homes? That is so fucked up, the people involved should not given any kind of leniency because they're educators, imo the penalties should be even harsher then if a private citizen was spying on kids, because educators have power over children and are supposed to be trustworthy. I sincerely hope that a lot of jailtime is served as a result.
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I think they did sign consent forms. It's just that there is no consent form in the world that would make child pornography legal. Not to mention that if the kid shares his bedroom with somebody else or puts the laptop in his parents' bedroom or anywhere else in the house, the school can spy on people who did not sign the consent forms.
Not to mention that infants (what the law calls minors) can get out of any contracts they sign, unless the court determines that they are abusing the hell out of that privilege.
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On February 19 2010 22:37 Crazazyasian1337 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 20:01 Gnosis wrote:On February 19 2010 19:24 KurtistheTurtle wrote:
lol could somebody from the school give us a better view of the situation? what did the kid do/what caused them to monitor the footage? there is so much hate for the school when really it was probably 1 or 2 people who fucked it up for everybody or just an unfortunate situation. I mean, the principal going to jail? seriously? Did you get paid to post this? The school entered into the home of its students uninvited then proceeded to record their lives in certain circumstances (doesn't matter if it's a still photograph or not). The school has already shot itself in the foot by punishing this kid for something that happened inside his home. No one knows exactly what the kid did in front of the camera, but the general consensus seems to be that the kid was blazing up or something like that, but who knows. Also, the school wasn't constantly monitoring him, it was just one or two pictures. Also, for all of you saying that we should just uninstall the webcam drivers, the computers are MacBooks first of all and secondly, we are not allowed to install anything on these computers. They have disabled the disk mounter and you cannot copy any form of program onto the computer.
Have you heard of a thing called tape?
Alex jones was crazy. Alex jones is an extremist. Alex jones is a conspiracy nut.
Alex jones is simply looking at tucked away info, using is head and putting 2 and 2 together folks.
Alex jones is not even a prophet.
Ok crabapple, you're way too much of a conspiracy nut. And I lol'd so hard at "alex jones is not even a prophet" lollolol
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Honestly, since when did High School have any right on students out of the school boundary?
I remember seeing kids smoke right on the skirt of the school boundary but
custodians unable to do anything about it b/c they were not on the school ground.
On February 19 2010 13:47 Crazazyasian1337 wrote:
technically the school has the right to anything that is on the computer and has the right to confiscate or use the computer because of these forms we signed in the beginning of the year. and since the cameras are built in, some people are claiming they have a right to use the cameras remotely.
The school may have the right to confiscate since the laptops are bought under the school's name.
BUT they do not have the right to invade people's privacy.
Just imagine what would happen if Steve Jobs spied on people with webcams through macbooks.
EDIT: stupid spacing.
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On February 20 2010 03:04 SARS wrote:Honestly, since when did High School have any right on students out of the school boundary? I remember seeing kids smoke right on the skirt of the school boundary but custodians unable to do anything about it b/c they were not on the school ground. Show nested quote +On February 19 2010 13:47 Crazazyasian1337 wrote:
technically the school has the right to anything that is on the computer and has the right to confiscate or use the computer because of these forms we signed in the beginning of the year. and since the cameras are built in, some people are claiming they have a right to use the cameras remotely. The school may have the right to confiscate since the laptops are bought under the school's name. BUT they do not have the right to invade people's privacy. Just imagine what would happen if Steve Jobs spied on people with webcams through macbooks.
He'd panic and then create a webcam 5x bigger, call it the iBig, and SNL would actually have material for about a week.
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He should also create an iPod Touch 5x bigger, and call it iTod..
wait, that's iPad..
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