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thompzn
Profile Joined October 2008
Sweden42 Posts
February 19 2010 19:11 GMT
#101
What exactly does "improper behaviour in his home" even mean, if it isn't illegal then why should anyone care?

If it were illegal then what does the school have to do with it shouldn't the police handle it? How the hell can a school discipline someone for something done at home?
Cloud
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sexico5880 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-19 19:13:41
February 19 2010 19:11 GMT
#102
Haha, I was always paranoid in highschool about jacking off in front of a comp with a webcam.

On February 20 2010 03:19 SARS wrote:
He should also create an iPod Touch 5x bigger, and call it iTod..

wait, that's iPad..


Yeah, because why the heck would you buy a 50" tv when you can paste 4 25" tvs together? You can even watch 4 different channels with that setup!
BlueLaguna on West, msg for game.
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
February 19 2010 19:27 GMT
#103
What the hell? Back to 1984?
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
De4ngus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States6533 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-19 20:06:02
February 19 2010 20:05 GMT
#104
On February 19 2010 22:17 KwarK wrote:
I can't imagine how someone didn't stop and point out how retarded this idea is. It's possible for one guy to get so caught up in his own enthusiasm he just doesn't notice he's forgotten something really important but the first time he told anyone else his plan to spy on children they should have pointed out to him the flaw.

Maybe they are all pedos.
GANDHISAUCE
3FFA
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States3931 Posts
February 19 2010 20:27 GMT
#105
On February 19 2010 19:06 Jayve wrote:
There's a simpler way to deal with it than uninstalling drivers.

Solution: Sticker --> Ontop of webcam

Caveman approach works everytime.


lol I do this every time I get a new cpu/laptop no matter what. I never use it anyways.
"As long as it comes from a pure place and from a honest place, you know, you can write whatever you want."
Danzepol
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States211 Posts
February 19 2010 21:27 GMT
#106
of course they should get sued, its child pornography first off, and second its an invasion of privacy.
in a fox with a box
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
February 19 2010 21:45 GMT
#107
Whoa dudes pretty creepy.
Gedrah
Profile Joined February 2010
465 Posts
February 19 2010 22:12 GMT
#108
On February 19 2010 13:53 sRapers_ValkS wrote:
just to clear it up; the school did not buy the laptops for us, they got a grant from apple.

and regardless of what they have the "right" to do, it still makes my skin crawl that every time i open up that computer there could be someone watching me.


Make a statement, smash it on the pavement in front of the school with a sledge hammer like the guy did when he bought O.J. Simpson's Heisman Trophy.
What is a dickfour?
Gedrah
Profile Joined February 2010
465 Posts
February 19 2010 22:15 GMT
#109
On February 19 2010 22:37 Crazazyasian1337 wrote:
Also, the school wasn't constantly monitoring him, it was just one or two pictures.


Okay, Crazazyasian1337, let me ask you a question. If I snuck a camera into your home and remotely took a few photos of your child without permission, if it was only a few, well then that'd be okay, right? As long as it was just to keep the laptop safe? Oh by the way, I see that box of Havanas on the living room table. Say hello to the feds for me.

...
What is a dickfour?
Achromic
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
773 Posts
February 19 2010 22:20 GMT
#110
My teacher talked about this in class.
Blah
Gedrah
Profile Joined February 2010
465 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-19 22:23:25
February 19 2010 22:21 GMT
#111
technically the school has the right to anything that is on the computer and has the right to confiscate or use the computer because of these forms we signed in the beginning of the year. and since the cameras are built in, some people are claiming they have a right to use the cameras remotely


You should go to wikipedia and read about Yellow Dog Contracts. Their modern equivalent is using some form of duress to get people to sign something they would never sign, to give up rights no sane person would give up. This is commonly done via end-user license agreements which developers like to pretend function as signatures. But in this case, your entire school gets a laptop. The curriculum depends on this laptop. Presumably this is a public school, so you have to go here. Furthermore, the simple social consequences of refusing to sign the document are HUGE. Within a school district, all the parents that are on the dick of the district--the PTA parents who holler "THINK OF THE CHILDREN" and haven't done much with the constitution except wipe their asses--do their best to make themselves a loud and obnoxious presence in every way possible. Like most people who think they're right about something, these people have no qualms about denying the will of a large number of other people. After all, they're right!

My point is, just because they coerce you into signing something doesn't mean they can do whatever the fuck they want. Even if you signed a paper saying they could. Duress is at play if your failure to sign the document would negatively impact the quality of your education or your chances at social ingratiation.
What is a dickfour?
Gnosis
Profile Joined December 2008
Scotland912 Posts
February 19 2010 22:29 GMT
#112
On February 20 2010 02:47 andrewlt wrote:
I think they did sign consent forms. It's just that there is no consent form in the world that would make child pornography legal. Not to mention that if the kid shares his bedroom with somebody else or puts the laptop in his parents' bedroom or anywhere else in the house, the school can spy on people who did not sign the consent forms.

Not to mention that infants (what the law calls minors) can get out of any contracts they sign, unless the court determines that they are abusing the hell out of that privilege.


Right, and as the other poster(s?) have pointed out, certain rights can't be waived, no matter what's signed.
"Reason is flawless, de jure, but reasoners are not, de facto." – Peter Kreeft
Gedrah
Profile Joined February 2010
465 Posts
February 19 2010 22:37 GMT
#113
To give a decent example, employees of many software developers must sign a non-compete clause in their employment contract. Herein the employee promises not to compete with the employer in any business that it dips. However, this type of clause is not entirely legal in some states, notably California where I live. In order for this clause to take effect in California, the employee must be an equity shareholder of the corporation. However, despite this technicality or any other in any situation (such as at the school in question) de facto practices allow people to circumvent the law and do things pretty much however they wanted to in the first place, so long as they provide a facade which establishes that the law is being obeyed and their actions are motivated by legally-acceptable reasons. In this case, if an employee competed with its employer in some negative and meaningful way, the employer's managerial staff would still likely do whatever was necessary to fire the employee or otherwise punish him for defying the employer's will.

The school wants to have a particular power over you that the law does not provide them. They offer you a contract under duress, and you sign it. Regardless if this is legal or not, if you should take the laptop home they could still then take your picture with it because the hardware provides them that capability. They should not legally possess that capability, but through duress and de facto practices they give themselves illegal power to take your photo and used that power to gain knowledge of the student's actions illegally. The waiver you signed does not change this! Someone's going to fucking captial-p Prison!
What is a dickfour?
wishbones
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada2600 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-19 22:48:16
February 19 2010 22:47 GMT
#114
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thats just dumb.. i wud seriously jerk off right in front of my laptop asap. jizz on their comp, say heres ur piece of shit comp back, now fuck urself!

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i want to smash a few laptops plz. let me break the fucking thing ill fucking kill the cocksucker who did this.
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Crazazyasian1337
Profile Joined October 2009
United States362 Posts
February 19 2010 22:59 GMT
#115
the software on the computer is designed so that if a computer is reported as stolen, it takes 2 pictures and sends it to the school when the computer is turned on. One picture of what is on the screen at the time and one from the webcam to see who is using the computer and again, this is only done when a computer is lost or stolen. the kid who got the picture taken of him hadn't paid for the insurance on the laptop, and therefore wasn't allowed to leave school with it, which he did anyway. Thus, the school thought that it was stolen and activated the camera, and the kid just happened to be doing something wrong in front of the camera at the time, and was thus disciplined for it.
;)))))))))
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
February 19 2010 23:02 GMT
#116
This is such a HUUUUGEEE violation of rights...I can't even imagine living with a camera in my room that could be recording me...it would feel like..as that one actor says "being filmed without knowing is like being raped".

This is illegal on every level...who the fuck thought of this? Do they have no knowledge of law, human rights, the constitution, or common sense?

Seriously who thought or heard of this plan and was like "Oh my, this is a fantastic idea, let's start right away! There can't possibly be any legal risk by filming hundreds of students in their homes!

As someone above said wow 1984 I thought that was required reading in high school? The staff/administration/students should know this.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
ShaperofDreams
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-19 23:04:42
February 19 2010 23:04 GMT
#117
There literally is NO legitimate excuse for this. Someone (or some people) should be fined 7-8 figures and/or sent to prison.
Bitches don't know about my overlord. FUCK OFF ALDARIS I HAVE ENOUGH PYLONS. My Balls are as smooth as Eggs.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
February 19 2010 23:17 GMT
#118
On February 19 2010 12:55 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2010 12:52 LOLMARINE wrote:
this is YOUR school? I'd be scared for about 5 minutes, and then get revenge (uninstall the camera drivers and dl lots of porn, or start talking to your teachers over the camera and be like "I KNOW YOUR THERE!".)

Schools shouldn't be allowed to do this, its just creepy, how do they know some pedo teacher won't be spying on high school chicks?

I would've sued too, pretty sure this is illegal.

the wikipedia article says there is reason to believe that some people actually did that. good god this is fucked up, the school better get whats coming to them
"many of the images captured and intercepted may consist of minors and their parents or friends in compromising or embarrassing positions" including "various stages of undress".

Oh, those high school boys... and those old high school administrators... Wait, ughhh.
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-02-19 23:25:24
February 19 2010 23:24 GMT
#119
i am most impressed that they used the feature without the laptop being reported as stolen, and then proceeded to announce to the world that they did it

or am I wrong about this? it doesn't seem to be very clear.
HazMat
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States17077 Posts
February 19 2010 23:37 GMT
#120
So what would happen to the school district if they lost the law-suit? (which they will) Would it get closed down and the kids who lived in the district had to go to some other one?
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