EPTSchool Spies on Students - Page 3
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ghostWriter
United States3302 Posts
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randombum
United States2378 Posts
Then again you guys are high school students so you guys practically have less rights than animals. They pretty much screwed themselves either way if the fine prints (if they have any) says for in case of stolen/blah blah, but they use it as evidence for a student doing something wrong, that basically says they are doing more than just using it to track stolen computers. Either way, this is just crazy. | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On February 19 2010 13:47 Crazazyasian1337 wrote: technically the school has the right to anything that is on the computer and has the right to confiscate or use the computer because of these forms we signed in the beginning of the year. and since the cameras are built in, some people are claiming they have a right to use the cameras remotely. that changes things. if they specifically say that we reserve the right to spy on you because this is our shit and in order to borrow it you must abide by our rules. if they do anything short of getting your signature explicitly letting them do what they did, it is highly illegal. | ||
micronesia
United States24805 Posts
On February 19 2010 13:47 Crazazyasian1337 wrote: technically the school has the right to anything that is on the computer and has the right to confiscate or use the computer because of these forms we signed in the beginning of the year. and since the cameras are built in, some people are claiming they have a right to use the cameras remotely. Having the right to own the stuff on the computer while it's at students' houses is different than having the right to do anything with that stuff. I don't know how the law will interpret this case though. | ||
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Crazazyasian1337
United States362 Posts
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snotboogie
Australia3550 Posts
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mmp
United States2130 Posts
Because it's illegal, nothing obtained should be solely used against you. Any evidence obtained from the unlawful surveillance cannot be the basis for prosecution. In practice, law enforcement will cite other "suspicions" as the basis of an investigation and it's very hand-wavy if the information will be permissible in court - you could argue that without the controversial evidence there is no case at all - but it comes down to the persuasiveness of the legal entities, and the experience of the judge. Consider an extreme example: the school witnesses a murder and informs the police. Upon discovery, a missing person investigation (and subsequently homicide upon discovery of the corpse) is launched, and the evidence is then fair game. No citizen wants a murder to go unpunished, so common sense says the suspicions were a reasonable basis for prosecution. In practice, "common sense" is necessary to solve these issues, but aggressive (good) prosecution will knowingly try to break the rules and persuade a judge to allow it - it's up to the experience and alertness of the judge to do the right thing in common sense situations. | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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reit
Canada209 Posts
Delicious loli buds mhmmmm | ||
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skippy2591
United States46 Posts
On February 19 2010 12:47 Crazazyasian1337 wrote: So my school has recently been discovered to have been spying on its students through the built in webcams in school issued computers. These computers were given out to each and every student to take home and use for the entirety of the school year for both school work and personal use. Now a little earlier this year, a student was prosecuted for something he did at home with footage taken from his school computer used as evidence against him. Do you guys think the school should be allowed to do this? Here's a link to an article with some extra information: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/02/17/school-used-student.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed: boingboing/iBag (Boing Boing) I'd say the school is allowed to do this, especially if they love lawsuits!  nah, therez a reazon why you have to sign all thoze annoying release forms when you get involved in school activities, and that reason is so the school can avoid lawsuits when students are recorded preforming certain activities (like therater, or dance). addressing the school's letter of "omg, we'll cut it off, plz don't sue", I would have to say that there is a pretty defined line between security and privacy invasion, and i just pray that the sewing parties at least see this as a security measure gone arry, and don't end up doing something stupid like having the cameras in the school taken down for "privacy invasion"... a little farfetched, but it could happen damit! >.< | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On February 19 2010 13:47 Crazazyasian1337 wrote: technically the school has the right to anything that is on the computer and has the right to confiscate or use the computer because of these forms we signed in the beginning of the year. and since the cameras are built in, some people are claiming they have a right to use the cameras remotely. You CAN NOT sign away certain rights no matter what. I'm not a lawyer and all I know is from Business Law class, but it sounds like you guys signed an illegal contract. Illegal contracts are unenforceable. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
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ToeJam
United States282 Posts
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MyStiC_Chaos
United States499 Posts
On a side note: I only know of this school cause Kobe Bryant went there. | ||
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Fen
Australia1848 Posts
On February 19 2010 13:56 Chen wrote: that changes things. if they specifically say that we reserve the right to spy on you because this is our shit and in order to borrow it you must abide by our rules. if they do anything short of getting your signature explicitly letting them do what they did, it is highly illegal. Doesnt change shit. You cant just write whatever you want in small print at think it will hold up. Regardless if the students signed a form allowing this to happen, this is still illegal and the school will go down in flames for this. | ||
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Crazazyasian1337
United States362 Posts
On February 19 2010 15:13 MyStiC_Chaos wrote: Dumb school IMO. Why would you even think of doing this? I don't see how they will lose this case. The statement on the website is just a lie. They used it to get a student in trouble. Clearly it wasn't just so they could keep an eye on the laptops... On a side note: I only know of this school cause Kobe Bryant went there. Lower Merion High School is now famous for two things: 1. Kobe Bryant and 2. Spying on its kids through the computers it provided | ||
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Chen
United States6344 Posts
On February 19 2010 15:17 Fen wrote: Doesnt change shit. You cant just write whatever you want in small print at think it will hold up. Regardless if the students signed a form allowing this to happen, this is still illegal and the school will go down in flames for this. If the students waived their right to privacy, then they cant sue. edit, the lawyer a couple posts up probably knows more. i have no idea what constitutes an illegal contract and what doesnt. | ||
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EmeraldSparks
United States1451 Posts
They are pretty fucked. And no, signing a form with small fine print does not make the aforementioned legal. Period. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
maybe the principal wants a SC2 key. | ||
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
Maybe he smoked a bowl on camera? Fucked his girlfriend? What could he possibly have done that would have been so bad that the school didn't even think about getting sued when they "disciplined" him. | ||
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