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On January 22 2010 21:18 BrTarolg wrote:
Its so ironic how people really overestimate the influence the government in china has on its people
Its almost the other way around, the government has very little influence in the general direction of the public and how they go about daily life and business. Its mostly dog eat dog and get on with your own damn life, because the government isnt going to step in and help you out.
Have to second this.
Western media has build a very bad image of China.
Try to talk to someone that has been to China, they will probably tell you how much fun they had.
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I am french and I am living in China and totally agree with Carnivorous Sheep.
In France, the president Sarkozy is a very close friend of all the medias owners such as Bouygues, Lagardere, ... It's like Obama was a good friend of Rupert Murdoch, but also all the other TV and newspapers guys.
The problem is that a very few part of the french population is aware of that... I feel so much more comfortable in China.
Yeah I have to use a proxy to go to facebook and youtube, so what?
China's population is 1.4 billion and you have no other choice than control it carefully. We had some riots in France in 2005, I can't imagine what I could have become in a 1.4 billion ppl country...
And to react to OP, yeah porn sms spam is annoying as hell in China.
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On January 23 2010 04:56 endy wrote:
Yeah I have to use a proxy to go to facebook and youtube, so what?
China's population is 1.4 billion and you have no other choice than control it carefully. We had some riots in France in 2005, I can't imagine what I could have become in a 1.4 billion ppl country...
I see the brainwashing and conditioning by the Chinese government is working just as fine as well.
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its all about control, and thats one way of getting it. wether its in china, france or usa, its the same result, restricting your rights. wooo, i dont know why people try to defend such decisions. o yea, piss poor education.
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On January 22 2010 23:43 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 22 2010 21:18 BrTarolg wrote:
Its so ironic how people really overestimate the influence the government in china has on its people
Its almost the other way around, the government has very little influence in the general direction of the public and how they go about daily life and business. Its mostly dog eat dog and get on with your own damn life, because the government isnt going to step in and help you out. Have to second this. Western media has build a very bad image of China. Try to talk to someone that has been to China, they will probably tell you how much fun they had.
I had a friend from the netherlands who lived in China for several years and he was ecstatic when he came home. He was pretty shocked. Obviously hes not an example of the entire country, a majority, even a minority.
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There's no reason the government needs to step in to clean up cell text spam. It should be a matter for private companies who provide the text services. And if you really don't like it you can just use other means of communication. This just seems like a front for the government getting its hands into text message censorship in general. You know how like, text messaging has been a key part of campaigns against totalitarian regimes recently?? I mean the gig the chinese government is running might not be quite up to that level, but this could help...
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If western media is exagerating government problems in china, does that mean we should trust chinese media to tell how completely nice and proper it actually is? Am i wrong in thinking that the chinese government has open control over its media?
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On January 21 2010 12:33 GTR wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2010 12:15 Licmyobelisk wrote:
wow, China's almost like that movie "Equilibruim" or like a little bit of North Korea holy shit that movie was bad
it was a great movie !
PS: come on USA is more prude then China ...
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On January 23 2010 07:31 zobz wrote:
If western media is exagerating government problems in china, does that mean we should trust chinese media to tell how completely nice and proper it actually is? Am i wrong in thinking that the chinese government has open control over its media?
No one said the the Chinese media is trustworthy. All media should be taken with a grain of salt.
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You children clearly have never been to china. The moment you register a mobile phone on a chinese cellphone network, you have 10 messages already.
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On January 23 2010 07:49 synapse wrote:
You children clearly have never been to china. The moment you register a mobile phone on a chinese cellphone network, you have 10 messages already.
This.
It's absolutely TERRIBLE how much spam and stuff you get. Honestly, I'm quite glad they're getting rid of this.
That being said, any topic about China eventually leads to this. I have no opinion on this matter, but I will say that the text message throttling would save a crap ton of time.
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China is so funny.
first google thing, now this.
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On January 23 2010 07:31 zobz wrote:
If western media is exagerating government problems in china, does that mean we should trust chinese media to tell how completely nice and proper it actually is? Am i wrong in thinking that the chinese government has open control over its media?
You're pulling arguments out of your ass. Noone ever said to believe Chinese media.
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I heard masturbation was good for you!
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looks like the west fears china
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As an ethnic Chinese I would like to say that the posts about China needing centralized power and Tiananmen being an unavoidable necessity is pure BS. It was an atrocity, and to think otherwise is to retreat into a shell of rationalization and almost a form of Stockholm Syndrome. People who think like that are traitors to the country in my eyes.
There are reasons that people are protesting and still getting arrested for dissention. It's not because they want the Communist Party to show strength. It's not because they want a strong central power. That's ridiculous and retarded. They want the rule of law and freedom of speech.
Freedom is not free, and that's why it's easy to rationalize. A "compromise that a strong and effective government is better than anything else" is a lie and the fact that many Chinese think this way is abhorrent and shameful to me. It sickens me. But not all people think like that. Many people are dissatisfied with not having their rights, many more than you hear on the news. That's because they are censored and controlled, and the figureheads of such movements locked up, most recently on Christmas Day. The fact that they sacrifice so much while others look on and accept that liberties are taken from everybody, to avoid uncomfortableness and "chaos", disgusts me to my core.
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On January 21 2010 16:18 Robinsa wrote:
Thats exactly the problem. Even if they are discontent with the government they wont even be able to text it without facing the risk of going to jail. I dont know what the chinese people want, but I agree with you; It would indeed be best if they could express themselves instead of someone else talkinig for them. Last time I checked people that actually spoke their mind in china ended up in jail, or worse.
You know, I think if the Japanese won the war Chinese people would be all fine and dandy right? WRONG robinsa, you are criticizing a government that protected us from your country who raped and destroyed us. So before you say anything about china or comment on the cruelty of the chinese government, think about what your nation did to us first. And by the way, what do you have to say about the japanese refusing to teach kids about the rape of nanking and the negative things they did to China?
On January 23 2010 07:10 Integra wrote:
I see the brainwashing and conditioning by the Chinese government is working just as fine as well.
so now when someone from another country, whos ACTUALLY lived in china, talks about china positively, you call that brainwash? oh plz, enlighten me.
I have something for you. I was born in china and came to canada, and i dont think Canada is that much better. Am i brainwashed? What do u say to that?
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I was born in China and came to Australia, and China fucking sucks.
(Not the people, btw, the place.)
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On January 28 2010 22:59 snotboogie wrote:
As an ethnic Chinese I would like to say that the posts about China needing centralized power and Tiananmen being an unavoidable necessity is pure BS. It was an atrocity, and to think otherwise is to retreat into a shell of rationalization and almost a form of Stockholm Syndrome. People who think like that are traitors to the country in my eyes.
There are reasons that people are protesting and still getting arrested for dissention. It's not because they want the Communist Party to show strength. It's not because they want a strong central power. That's ridiculous and retarded. They want the rule of law and freedom of speech.
Freedom is not free, and that's why it's easy to rationalize. A "compromise that a strong and effective government is better than anything else" is a lie and the fact that many Chinese think this way is abhorrent and shameful to me. It sickens me. But not all people think like that. Many people are dissatisfied with not having their rights, many more than you hear on the news. That's because they are censored and controlled, and the figureheads of such movements locked up, most recently on Christmas Day. The fact that they sacrifice so much while others look on and accept that liberties are taken from everybody, to avoid uncomfortableness and "chaos", disgusts me to my core.
It's okay to disagree but I would like you provide some examples to support the freedom and struggle that you speak of.
Of course people are not happy, who would be happy? but to say that a great or at least influential portion of the populace support the course are unsubstantiated.
Just being Chinese doesn't make you auto-correct on anything about China.
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On January 29 2010 05:21 haduken wrote:Show nested quote +On January 28 2010 22:59 snotboogie wrote:
As an ethnic Chinese I would like to say that the posts about China needing centralized power and Tiananmen being an unavoidable necessity is pure BS. It was an atrocity, and to think otherwise is to retreat into a shell of rationalization and almost a form of Stockholm Syndrome. People who think like that are traitors to the country in my eyes.
There are reasons that people are protesting and still getting arrested for dissention. It's not because they want the Communist Party to show strength. It's not because they want a strong central power. That's ridiculous and retarded. They want the rule of law and freedom of speech.
Freedom is not free, and that's why it's easy to rationalize. A "compromise that a strong and effective government is better than anything else" is a lie and the fact that many Chinese think this way is abhorrent and shameful to me. It sickens me. But not all people think like that. Many people are dissatisfied with not having their rights, many more than you hear on the news. That's because they are censored and controlled, and the figureheads of such movements locked up, most recently on Christmas Day. The fact that they sacrifice so much while others look on and accept that liberties are taken from everybody, to avoid uncomfortableness and "chaos", disgusts me to my core. It's okay to disagree but I would like you provide some examples to support the freedom and struggle that you speak of. Of course people are not happy, who would be happy? but to say that a great or at least influential portion of the populace support the course are unsubstantiated. Just being Chinese doesn't make you auto-correct on anything about China.
Thank you, the amount of ignorance in these kind of threads is astounding. It's also very important to note the false pretenses that the ethnic Chinese hold for Western culture and politics; they're almost disillusioned and you can see this in study-abroad Chinese in the States.
And yes, it's a different country, different standards, and different culture. Reforms in Taiwan has led to a re-election of a leader who (allegedly) dramatized his way to the Presidency while funneling billions of bribes out of the country while still maintaining his innocence. I am sure those freedoms would work great with 1.6 billion people. And I am sure the Russian people have nothing but love for Boris Yeltsin too.
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