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On November 11 2009 05:10 Misrah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 05:02 Eatme wrote:
It's not me. I am a competitive cross country skiier and have also done vasaloppet (90km) 10times but my double poling is way too bad to get a satisfying results. Main fault is my upper body so due to that I cant place high in the real topic area of having a good looking body.
I also compete at a rather high level at orienteering and I do cyclosportive races when it comes to cycling.
Would be interesting to find members that are better than me in those sports.
Anyway I wont post any pictures due to skinnyness. ohh you cross country ski!!! so do i! If you ever come to the sates you have to check out the birkebeiner! it's a huge cross country ski race (the biggest in the states) and it is a ton of fun! So sweet to finally find some one that CC skis on this site, but you seem to be a really really good skier lol
I cross-country, though I mostly back-country these days. I don't have skate skis but I sometimes borrow my friends, I generally prefer classic anyways since it is lower impact and I usually only nordic ski when I am too injured to downhill. I don't cross-country competitively at all, I just do it to relax and usually it's pretty social.
I also row varisty, which means 3-4hrs of workout a day, usually on the erg this time of year, as well as a pretty heaving lifting schedule. Before that I played waterpolo, swam, and ski raced. Rowing a kind of life consuming though, so I had to give up on my swimming but I still have a pass for Whistler and a new pair of team slalom skis for this year. I'm curious if there are any other rowers here, because generally I think that rowers are pretty athletic, and have a nice mix of power, agility, and endurance.
I guess my swim times are pretty decent, I made it to BC summer games and usually won my events, which isn't too impressive since my division was mostly just coaches. I have a 59.5s 100m backstroke, which was my best stroke, and my 100m free and fly are about the same at ~53s. After 100m I fade pretty hard, and last year at Storm the Wall I pulled around a 2:09 225 yard free time, but I hadn't really trained in a year for swimming.
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On November 11 2009 04:18 Misrah wrote:
HELL YA CROSSFIT! Its all i do! i love going to the gym, and every time i walk out it feels like i am going to puke lol
I did the filthy 50 last night and felt like I was going to puke for 30 minutes afterwards. I've been doing crossfit for 3 months and I still get my ass kicked by the workouts most of the time.
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lol filthy fifty i was just looking at that the other day and thinking "damn"
looks interesting i'd like to try it some time
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On November 10 2009 23:59 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2009 23:03 statix wrote:On November 10 2009 22:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 18:46 PokePill wrote:On November 10 2009 09:20 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Inc is the best lifter and I'm the best runner. Some gymnast or bodybuilder probably has the best lookin body (eshlow?) Long distance running does not take any athleticism, powerlifting requires at least some I'm not a long distance runner. But I could trounce most casual 5k races. Long distance running sucks imo. But a functional body + training = athletic. Athleticism is a history of training. So yeah, long distance running requires athleticism. Not sure wtf you think athleticism means. I think athleticism is something that's hard to measure. IMO, guys who pick up a variety of athletic activities and easily excel in them are athletic. Guys who are explosive, strong, and have a lot of endurance are athletic. Guys who only train themselves to run long distances or lift a heavy weights aren't athletic IMO. By your definition of athleticism pro gamers are top notch athletes. While they do have a lot of skill, most of them are definitely not athletic. Athletes are participants in sports... I wasn't trying to write a definition worthy of a dictionary. For me, it doesn't matter how well someone excels when they first pick it up. I'd rather look at the people who excel at the elite level than at the beginner level. Explosiveness, strength, endurance are all results of training. Having a noteworthy amount of one of those previous to intentionally training for it is really unremarkable. Intentionally training for one thing in particular will usually be optimized by intentionally compromising other things. I don't see what's unique about specializing all in lifting power or long distance running that ceases to make it an athletic endeavor and, by natural extension, ceases to make its best pursuers athletic.
You can define it however you want, but I think modern athleticism is more of a combination of explosiveness, finesse, skill & strength. Rugby players, soccer players, skill positions in football, forwards and guards in basketball are all what I would consider "athletic" because it requires more than just training and genetics, it takes some sort of actual non-genetic talent (which itself could be genetic you could argue).
While running beyond a 400m dash is heavily based on endurance, which requires 0 talent, but definitely hardwork and dedication and genetics. You're an athlete, and you're probably athletic, but what you're participating in requires very little athleticism IMO.
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oh eatme you've participated in vasaloppet 10 times
thats pretty awesome imo :D
cross country skiing is sweet
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On November 11 2009 05:02 Eatme wrote:
It's not me. I am a competitive cross country skiier and have also done vasaloppet (90km) 10times but my double poling is way too bad to get a satisfying results. Main fault is my upper body so due to that I cant place high in the real topic area of having a good looking body.
I also compete at a rather high level at orienteering and I do cyclosportive races when it comes to cycling.
Would be interesting to find members that are better than me in those sports.
Anyway I wont post any pictures due to skinnyness.
wow, I'm impressed! I would love to do vasaloppet but unfortunately I don't ski much
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On November 11 2009 07:46 PokePill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2009 23:59 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 23:03 statix wrote:On November 10 2009 22:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 18:46 PokePill wrote:On November 10 2009 09:20 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Inc is the best lifter and I'm the best runner. Some gymnast or bodybuilder probably has the best lookin body (eshlow?) Long distance running does not take any athleticism, powerlifting requires at least some I'm not a long distance runner. But I could trounce most casual 5k races. Long distance running sucks imo. But a functional body + training = athletic. Athleticism is a history of training. So yeah, long distance running requires athleticism. Not sure wtf you think athleticism means. I think athleticism is something that's hard to measure. IMO, guys who pick up a variety of athletic activities and easily excel in them are athletic. Guys who are explosive, strong, and have a lot of endurance are athletic. Guys who only train themselves to run long distances or lift a heavy weights aren't athletic IMO. By your definition of athleticism pro gamers are top notch athletes. While they do have a lot of skill, most of them are definitely not athletic. Athletes are participants in sports... I wasn't trying to write a definition worthy of a dictionary. For me, it doesn't matter how well someone excels when they first pick it up. I'd rather look at the people who excel at the elite level than at the beginner level. Explosiveness, strength, endurance are all results of training. Having a noteworthy amount of one of those previous to intentionally training for it is really unremarkable. Intentionally training for one thing in particular will usually be optimized by intentionally compromising other things. I don't see what's unique about specializing all in lifting power or long distance running that ceases to make it an athletic endeavor and, by natural extension, ceases to make its best pursuers athletic. You can define it however you want, but I think modern athleticism is more of a combination of explosiveness, finesse, skill & strength. Rugby players, soccer players, skill positions in football, forwards and guards in basketball are all what I would consider "athletic" because it requires more than just training and genetics, it takes some sort of actual non-genetic talent (which itself could be genetic you could argue). While running beyond a 400m dash is heavily based on endurance, which requires 0 talent, but definitely hardwork and dedication and genetics. You're an athlete, and you're probably athletic, but what you're participating in requires very little athleticism IMO.
I have no idea what you're trying to say...
Why do you arbitrarily legitimize the words "skill" "talent"
While you arbitrarily bastardize the words "genetics" "training"
Your points really dont make any sense given that skill = talent = genetics o.o
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On November 11 2009 07:48 Liquid`Drone wrote:
oh eatme you've participated in vasaloppet 10 times
thats pretty awesome imo :D
cross country skiing is sweet
I've done öppet spår once too the week before one year and I did halvvasan before this years race. Anyway one could say I've done it 11times.
I'd like to try birkebeiner since it has more climbing and would fit me better but I have not planned it this season.
On November 11 2009 07:54 Foucault wrote:
wow, I'm impressed! I would love to do vasaloppet but unfortunately I don't ski much
It's really easy if you dont have any high goals. Just do one or two trainingcamps and if you live in southern sweden find some artificial snow to train on a few times a week.
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On November 11 2009 07:46 PokePill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2009 23:59 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 23:03 statix wrote:On November 10 2009 22:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 18:46 PokePill wrote:On November 10 2009 09:20 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Inc is the best lifter and I'm the best runner. Some gymnast or bodybuilder probably has the best lookin body (eshlow?) Long distance running does not take any athleticism, powerlifting requires at least some I'm not a long distance runner. But I could trounce most casual 5k races. Long distance running sucks imo. But a functional body + training = athletic. Athleticism is a history of training. So yeah, long distance running requires athleticism. Not sure wtf you think athleticism means. I think athleticism is something that's hard to measure. IMO, guys who pick up a variety of athletic activities and easily excel in them are athletic. Guys who are explosive, strong, and have a lot of endurance are athletic. Guys who only train themselves to run long distances or lift a heavy weights aren't athletic IMO. By your definition of athleticism pro gamers are top notch athletes. While they do have a lot of skill, most of them are definitely not athletic. Athletes are participants in sports... I wasn't trying to write a definition worthy of a dictionary. For me, it doesn't matter how well someone excels when they first pick it up. I'd rather look at the people who excel at the elite level than at the beginner level. Explosiveness, strength, endurance are all results of training. Having a noteworthy amount of one of those previous to intentionally training for it is really unremarkable. Intentionally training for one thing in particular will usually be optimized by intentionally compromising other things. I don't see what's unique about specializing all in lifting power or long distance running that ceases to make it an athletic endeavor and, by natural extension, ceases to make its best pursuers athletic. You can define it however you want, but I think modern athleticism is more of a combination of explosiveness, finesse, skill & strength. Rugby players, soccer players, skill positions in football, forwards and guards in basketball are all what I would consider "athletic" because it requires more than just training and genetics, it takes some sort of actual non-genetic talent (which itself could be genetic you could argue). While running beyond a 400m dash is heavily based on endurance, which requires 0 talent, but definitely hardwork and dedication and genetics. You're an athlete, and you're probably athletic, but what you're participating in requires very little athleticism IMO.
I wouldn't say running a 47 second 400m dash doesnt require talent...its something you're either born with. I could train the rest of my life and never hit that while michael johnson probably hit that like a year into running. Talent is defined as a special natural ability or aptitude, i.e. something you're born with that others arent, which speed falls heavily into. However i wouldn't define sprinters as athletes, but more of as talented, hardworking competitors.
I think most people would agree that it is the combination of speed/explosiveness/strength mixed with the motor skills and dexterity to apply those to a variety of sports that categorize people as great athletes. Take lebron james, he has the insane athleticism to play any variety of athletics at a very competative level, if not professional. The sports you listed above generally have the athletes that could succeed in multiple sports, if not at the level of their specialized sports, which is why you might label them as better athletes then more specialized sports/competitions such as swimming, track&field, hockey, wrestling/fighting sports. For instance you could take people such as deangelo hall, devin hester, and chris johnson and make them professional track runners, but you couldn't take usain bolt and make him a professional football player.
/end random thoughts
TLDR: i define a great athlete as someone who has versatile skills rather than specilaized
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On November 11 2009 07:19 ShadowDrgn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 04:18 Misrah wrote:
HELL YA CROSSFIT! Its all i do! i love going to the gym, and every time i walk out it feels like i am going to puke lol I did the filthy 50 last night and felt like I was going to puke for 30 minutes afterwards. I've been doing crossfit for 3 months and I still get my ass kicked by the workouts most of the time.
Is this it?
Monday 061204
For time:
50 Box jump, 24 inch box
50 Jumping pull-ups
50 Kettlebell swings, 1 pood
Walking Lunge, 50 steps
50 Knees to elbows
50 Push press, 45 pounds
50 Back extensions
50 Wall ball shots, 20 pound ball
50 Burpees
50 Double unders
That doesn't sound so bad, except for the jumping pull ups. I do about half of those twice a week during plyo workouts.
Is a kettlebell like an 18 pound sand-filled medicine ball? And what's a double under?
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On November 11 2009 08:30 igotmyown wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 07:19 ShadowDrgn wrote:On November 11 2009 04:18 Misrah wrote:
HELL YA CROSSFIT! Its all i do! i love going to the gym, and every time i walk out it feels like i am going to puke lol I did the filthy 50 last night and felt like I was going to puke for 30 minutes afterwards. I've been doing crossfit for 3 months and I still get my ass kicked by the workouts most of the time. Is this it? Monday 061204 For time: 50 Box jump, 24 inch box 50 Jumping pull-ups 50 Kettlebell swings, 1 pood Walking Lunge, 50 steps 50 Knees to elbows 50 Push press, 45 pounds 50 Back extensions 50 Wall ball shots, 20 pound ball 50 Burpees 50 Double unders That doesn't sound so bad, except for the jumping pull ups. I do about half of those twice a week during plyo workouts. Is a kettlebell like an 18 pound sand-filled medicine ball? And what's a double under?
A kettlebell is unique in the way its shaped. It's a lot harder ( for me anyway) to do certain exercises with a KB than with a DB. It's basically a ball with a handle sticking out.
A double under is skipping rope but having the rope pass under you twice after every jump. The workout isn't too tough until the burpees and double unders; that's when your lunch starts bubbling up.
You also realize that all of this is non-stop right? There are no breaks between each exercise.
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hey i am going to do the filthy 50 tonight! ill post later and let you know how it goes.
But about a week ago i really made myself happy when i tried to do the following:
75 pullups (wide grip dead hang of course)
120 pushups
Got that all done in under 15 min. yay 
However more about the filfy 50- no it doesn't look that bad, but try going through that as fast as possible? Trust me the last 50 burpees always make me want to die! That and the kettle bell swings really hurt  but at that point in the workout, your still not breathing hard.
Its just the last 2 sets- burpees and double unders must die
ohh a kettlebell- 1 pood = 35 lbs
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So it's endurance training, not really explosive training? Like I wouldn't do 50 box jumps in a row, box jumps lose their plyometric value if your muscles get fatigued and you don't do it with full explosiveness. There shouldn't be anything wrong with doing core exercises nonstop though.
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On November 11 2009 09:43 igotmyown wrote:
So it's endurance training, not really explosive training? Like I wouldn't do 50 box jumps in a row, box jumps lose their plyometric value if your muscles get fatigued and you don't do it with full explosiveness. There shouldn't be anything wrong with doing core exercises nonstop though.
It's actually really bad to do a serious core workout if you lift a lot doing other things. I've seen many people over train their abs this way.. including me (well it started to happen, noticed quickly). Albeit, this is only for people who do a lot of other body workouts that involve the core (most do).
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All these people bragging and yet no body shots. All talk and no game >:O
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On November 11 2009 10:12 Dknight wrote:
All these people bragging and yet no body shots. All talk and no game >:O
it feels more than a little gay/douchebagish to post a picture of my semi-naked body. i'll pass.
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