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I wonder if people are catching on yet that posting pictures of huge bodybuilders is not funny.
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I'm terribly out of shape, so it's definitely not me.
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On November 11 2009 00:21 statix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2009 23:59 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 23:03 statix wrote:On November 10 2009 22:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 18:46 PokePill wrote:On November 10 2009 09:20 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Inc is the best lifter and I'm the best runner. Some gymnast or bodybuilder probably has the best lookin body (eshlow?) Long distance running does not take any athleticism, powerlifting requires at least some I'm not a long distance runner. But I could trounce most casual 5k races. Long distance running sucks imo. But a functional body + training = athletic. Athleticism is a history of training. So yeah, long distance running requires athleticism. Not sure wtf you think athleticism means. I think athleticism is something that's hard to measure. IMO, guys who pick up a variety of athletic activities and easily excel in them are athletic. Guys who are explosive, strong, and have a lot of endurance are athletic. Guys who only train themselves to run long distances or lift a heavy weights aren't athletic IMO. By your definition of athleticism pro gamers are top notch athletes. While they do have a lot of skill, most of them are definitely not athletic. Athletes are participants in sports... I wasn't trying to write a definition worthy of a dictionary. So anyone whose ever participated in any kind of sport is athletic? Show nested quote +
For me, it doesn't matter how well someone excels when they first pick it up. I'd rather look at the people who excel at the elite level than at the beginner level.
Wouldn't those who excel at something at a higher rate than others have a considerable advantage, even in the "elite level"? Guys who I started training jiu jitsu with who fell behind skillwise are still behind me to this day. Even though we've both put in the same amount of work for the same amount of time, the fact that I may be more athletic than them has helped me to leave them in the dust. Show nested quote +Explosiveness, strength, endurance are all results of training. Having a noteworthy amount of one of those previous to intentionally training for it is really unremarkable. Intentionally training for one thing in particular will usually be optimized by intentionally compromising other things. I don't see what's unique about specializing all in lifting power or long distance running that ceases to make it an athletic endeavor and, by natural extension, ceases to make its best pursuers athletic. You seem to be confusing the term athleticism with the notion of training hard to be good at one thing. Athleticism is the intelligence of your body; some people have a higher IQ than others.
English disagrees with you.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/athleticism
ath-let-ic
–adjective
1. physically active and strong; good at athletics or sports: an athletic child.
2. of, like, or befitting an athlete.
3. of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training.
4. for athletics: an athletic field.
5. Psychology. (of a physical type) having a sturdy build or well-proportioned body structure. Compare asthenic (def. 2), pyknic (def. 1).
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Let's see.
I can run a six minute mile
I can run three miles in about nineteen
I can do 20 consecutive pull-ups coming all the way down to a dead hang between each pull.
That's about it. Not very impressive 
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I'm so strong I could roll your mother a whole yard!
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I think I might be the best ice hockey goalie! Wheee!
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On November 11 2009 00:59 Mora wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 00:21 statix wrote:On November 10 2009 23:59 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 23:03 statix wrote:On November 10 2009 22:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 18:46 PokePill wrote:On November 10 2009 09:20 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Inc is the best lifter and I'm the best runner. Some gymnast or bodybuilder probably has the best lookin body (eshlow?) Long distance running does not take any athleticism, powerlifting requires at least some I'm not a long distance runner. But I could trounce most casual 5k races. Long distance running sucks imo. But a functional body + training = athletic. Athleticism is a history of training. So yeah, long distance running requires athleticism. Not sure wtf you think athleticism means. I think athleticism is something that's hard to measure. IMO, guys who pick up a variety of athletic activities and easily excel in them are athletic. Guys who are explosive, strong, and have a lot of endurance are athletic. Guys who only train themselves to run long distances or lift a heavy weights aren't athletic IMO. By your definition of athleticism pro gamers are top notch athletes. While they do have a lot of skill, most of them are definitely not athletic. Athletes are participants in sports... I wasn't trying to write a definition worthy of a dictionary. So anyone whose ever participated in any kind of sport is athletic?
For me, it doesn't matter how well someone excels when they first pick it up. I'd rather look at the people who excel at the elite level than at the beginner level.
Wouldn't those who excel at something at a higher rate than others have a considerable advantage, even in the "elite level"? Guys who I started training jiu jitsu with who fell behind skillwise are still behind me to this day. Even though we've both put in the same amount of work for the same amount of time, the fact that I may be more athletic than them has helped me to leave them in the dust. Explosiveness, strength, endurance are all results of training. Having a noteworthy amount of one of those previous to intentionally training for it is really unremarkable. Intentionally training for one thing in particular will usually be optimized by intentionally compromising other things. I don't see what's unique about specializing all in lifting power or long distance running that ceases to make it an athletic endeavor and, by natural extension, ceases to make its best pursuers athletic. You seem to be confusing the term athleticism with the notion of training hard to be good at one thing. Athleticism is the intelligence of your body; some people have a higher IQ than others. English disagrees with you. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/athleticismath-let-ic –adjective 1. physically active and strong; good at athletics or sports: an athletic child. 2. of, like, or befitting an athlete. 3. of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training. 4. for athletics: an athletic field. 5. Psychology. (of a physical type) having a sturdy build or well-proportioned body structure. Compare asthenic (def. 2), pyknic (def. 1).
This article written by athletes agrees with me.
http://www.endzoneathletics.com/content/view/35/66/
"First, we must understand exactly how we define athleticism and skill before we can discuss how they relate to each other or how to work towards improving them. Athleticism can be defined as, "the ability to use a variety of motor abilities (strength, power, speed, agility, coordination, stability, balance, etc.) to effectively and efficiently perform a wide variety of sporting actions." Less complicated than it sounds, this definition simply means that being a great athlete requires possessing a variety of athletic qualities (motor abilities) and being able to use them effectively to perform sporting actions. Although specific "sporting actions" are different for each particular sport, most sports also have many common sporting actions required such as sprinting, changing direction, and jumping. The difference between an average athlete and a great athlete is the ability to perform these things effectively, efficiently, and consistently. "
See how easy that was?
Instead of further straying from the subject, we should have some sort of physical gauntlet to see who really is the mastah. Crossfit anyone?
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On November 10 2009 14:33 Chaos- wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2009 13:51 Crunchums wrote:
I am the best player for any game involving frisbees Same here.
orly? are any of you in ny? team i play with plays 3x a week. what is your upa rank?
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On November 11 2009 01:26 statix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 00:59 Mora wrote:On November 11 2009 00:21 statix wrote:On November 10 2009 23:59 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 23:03 statix wrote:On November 10 2009 22:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 18:46 PokePill wrote:On November 10 2009 09:20 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Inc is the best lifter and I'm the best runner. Some gymnast or bodybuilder probably has the best lookin body (eshlow?) Long distance running does not take any athleticism, powerlifting requires at least some I'm not a long distance runner. But I could trounce most casual 5k races. Long distance running sucks imo. But a functional body + training = athletic. Athleticism is a history of training. So yeah, long distance running requires athleticism. Not sure wtf you think athleticism means. I think athleticism is something that's hard to measure. IMO, guys who pick up a variety of athletic activities and easily excel in them are athletic. Guys who are explosive, strong, and have a lot of endurance are athletic. Guys who only train themselves to run long distances or lift a heavy weights aren't athletic IMO. By your definition of athleticism pro gamers are top notch athletes. While they do have a lot of skill, most of them are definitely not athletic. Athletes are participants in sports... I wasn't trying to write a definition worthy of a dictionary. So anyone whose ever participated in any kind of sport is athletic?
For me, it doesn't matter how well someone excels when they first pick it up. I'd rather look at the people who excel at the elite level than at the beginner level.
Wouldn't those who excel at something at a higher rate than others have a considerable advantage, even in the "elite level"? Guys who I started training jiu jitsu with who fell behind skillwise are still behind me to this day. Even though we've both put in the same amount of work for the same amount of time, the fact that I may be more athletic than them has helped me to leave them in the dust. Explosiveness, strength, endurance are all results of training. Having a noteworthy amount of one of those previous to intentionally training for it is really unremarkable. Intentionally training for one thing in particular will usually be optimized by intentionally compromising other things. I don't see what's unique about specializing all in lifting power or long distance running that ceases to make it an athletic endeavor and, by natural extension, ceases to make its best pursuers athletic. You seem to be confusing the term athleticism with the notion of training hard to be good at one thing. Athleticism is the intelligence of your body; some people have a higher IQ than others. English disagrees with you. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/athleticismath-let-ic –adjective 1. physically active and strong; good at athletics or sports: an athletic child. 2. of, like, or befitting an athlete. 3. of or pertaining to athletes; involving the use of physical skills or capabilities, as strength, agility, or stamina: athletic sports; athletic training. 4. for athletics: an athletic field. 5. Psychology. (of a physical type) having a sturdy build or well-proportioned body structure. Compare asthenic (def. 2), pyknic (def. 1). This article written by athletes agrees with me. http://www.endzoneathletics.com/content/view/35/66/"First, we must understand exactly how we define athleticism and skill before we can discuss how they relate to each other or how to work towards improving them. Athleticism can be defined as, "the ability to use a variety of motor abilities (strength, power, speed, agility, coordination, stability, balance, etc.) to effectively and efficiently perform a wide variety of sporting actions." Less complicated than it sounds, this definition simply means that being a great athlete requires possessing a variety of athletic qualities (motor abilities) and being able to use them effectively to perform sporting actions. Although specific "sporting actions" are different for each particular sport, most sports also have many common sporting actions required such as sprinting, changing direction, and jumping. The difference between an average athlete and a great athlete is the ability to perform these things effectively, efficiently, and consistently. " See how easy that was? Instead of further straying from the subject, we should have some sort of physical gauntlet to see who really is the mastah. Crossfit anyone?
i did Crossfit once. i actually really enjoy it. too bad it conflicts with ultimate (for now) but I do intend to go back.
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On November 11 2009 00:21 statix wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2009 23:59 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 23:03 statix wrote:On November 10 2009 22:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 18:46 PokePill wrote:On November 10 2009 09:20 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Inc is the best lifter and I'm the best runner. Some gymnast or bodybuilder probably has the best lookin body (eshlow?) Long distance running does not take any athleticism, powerlifting requires at least some I'm not a long distance runner. But I could trounce most casual 5k races. Long distance running sucks imo. But a functional body + training = athletic. Athleticism is a history of training. So yeah, long distance running requires athleticism. Not sure wtf you think athleticism means. I think athleticism is something that's hard to measure. IMO, guys who pick up a variety of athletic activities and easily excel in them are athletic. Guys who are explosive, strong, and have a lot of endurance are athletic. Guys who only train themselves to run long distances or lift a heavy weights aren't athletic IMO. By your definition of athleticism pro gamers are top notch athletes. While they do have a lot of skill, most of them are definitely not athletic. Athletes are participants in sports... I wasn't trying to write a definition worthy of a dictionary. So anyone whose ever participated in any kind of sport is athletic? Show nested quote +
For me, it doesn't matter how well someone excels when they first pick it up. I'd rather look at the people who excel at the elite level than at the beginner level.
Wouldn't those who excel at something at a higher rate than others have a considerable advantage, even in the "elite level"? Guys who I started training jiu jitsu with who fell behind skillwise are still behind me to this day. Even though we've both put in the same amount of work for the same amount of time, the fact that I may be more athletic than them has helped me to leave them in the dust. Show nested quote +Explosiveness, strength, endurance are all results of training. Having a noteworthy amount of one of those previous to intentionally training for it is really unremarkable. Intentionally training for one thing in particular will usually be optimized by intentionally compromising other things. I don't see what's unique about specializing all in lifting power or long distance running that ceases to make it an athletic endeavor and, by natural extension, ceases to make its best pursuers athletic. You seem to be confusing the term athleticism with the notion of training hard to be good at one thing. Athleticism is the intelligence of your body; some people have a higher IQ than others.
Athleticism is a matter of degree, so yes everyone has it.
Having an advantage due to natural ability is just that, an advantage. They have an advantage at being more athletic, but until they have actualized their potential, they are not more athletic.
I am not confusing the term athleticism. Neither of us are confusing the term athleticism. I thought it was clear that we have different opinions on what it is and we are arguing for our opinions. I can just as easily say that you've confused athleticism with natural ability or something to do with genetics.
I find that looking at potential or rate of improvement is an irrelevant study. I look at results. If the person with better results is not more athletic, what is he?
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oh the joy of semantics
i run a 4.3sec 40yd dash AND i'm white
i think i win amirite???
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On November 11 2009 01:47 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 00:21 statix wrote:On November 10 2009 23:59 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 23:03 statix wrote:On November 10 2009 22:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:On November 10 2009 18:46 PokePill wrote:On November 10 2009 09:20 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Inc is the best lifter and I'm the best runner. Some gymnast or bodybuilder probably has the best lookin body (eshlow?) Long distance running does not take any athleticism, powerlifting requires at least some I'm not a long distance runner. But I could trounce most casual 5k races. Long distance running sucks imo. But a functional body + training = athletic. Athleticism is a history of training. So yeah, long distance running requires athleticism. Not sure wtf you think athleticism means. I think athleticism is something that's hard to measure. IMO, guys who pick up a variety of athletic activities and easily excel in them are athletic. Guys who are explosive, strong, and have a lot of endurance are athletic. Guys who only train themselves to run long distances or lift a heavy weights aren't athletic IMO. By your definition of athleticism pro gamers are top notch athletes. While they do have a lot of skill, most of them are definitely not athletic. Athletes are participants in sports... I wasn't trying to write a definition worthy of a dictionary. So anyone whose ever participated in any kind of sport is athletic?
For me, it doesn't matter how well someone excels when they first pick it up. I'd rather look at the people who excel at the elite level than at the beginner level.
Wouldn't those who excel at something at a higher rate than others have a considerable advantage, even in the "elite level"? Guys who I started training jiu jitsu with who fell behind skillwise are still behind me to this day. Even though we've both put in the same amount of work for the same amount of time, the fact that I may be more athletic than them has helped me to leave them in the dust. Explosiveness, strength, endurance are all results of training. Having a noteworthy amount of one of those previous to intentionally training for it is really unremarkable. Intentionally training for one thing in particular will usually be optimized by intentionally compromising other things. I don't see what's unique about specializing all in lifting power or long distance running that ceases to make it an athletic endeavor and, by natural extension, ceases to make its best pursuers athletic. You seem to be confusing the term athleticism with the notion of training hard to be good at one thing. Athleticism is the intelligence of your body; some people have a higher IQ than others. I look at results. If the person with better results is not more athletic, what is he?
That would make him better at one thing; not more athletic.
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Already 50 guys "easily up there" in the top 10, keep it coming!
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On November 10 2009 22:56 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2009 18:46 PokePill wrote:On November 10 2009 09:20 Liquid`NonY wrote:
Inc is the best lifter and I'm the best runner. Some gymnast or bodybuilder probably has the best lookin body (eshlow?) Long distance running does not take any athleticism, powerlifting requires at least some I'm not a long distance runner. But I could trounce most casual 5k races. Long distance running sucks imo. But a functional body + training = athletic. Athleticism is a history of training. So yeah, long distance running requires athleticism. Not sure wtf you think athleticism means.
i would LOVE to race you kids who think long distance running doesnt take any athleticism. bring it on.
talk about pacing, drafting, rhythm, early sprint for position, final sprint for finish.
ya power lifting is SO much harder -_- in the air conditioning, perfect conditions.
EDIT: not to say i dont completely idolize you nony in the SC world @_@
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Oh yeah long distance running has a lot more to it than what the casual watcher of the summer olympic games and televised marathons will pick up on. Especially if it's cross country. But just as my personal preference, I think the 800m and 1500m are much cooler 
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On November 11 2009 02:13 Liquid`NonY wrote:Oh yeah long distance running has a lot more to it than what the casual watcher of the summer olympic games and televised marathons will pick up on. Especially if it's cross country. But just as my personal preference, I think the 800m and 1500m are much cooler
OH you just got way more awesome ^^
800m was my race in my hayday, won district two years in a row
got down to 1:53, never could break 1:50
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On November 11 2009 01:59 mOnion wrote:
oh the joy of semantics
i run a 4.3sec 40yd dash AND i'm white
i think i win amirite???
Sorry, i run a 4.2 40yd dash and i'm white as well
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/agree NonY
/agree mOnion
golly this thread is putting me in a work out mood lol
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On November 11 2009 02:20 R0YAL wrote:
/agree NonY
/agree mOnion
golly this thread is putting me in a work out mood lol
dude inorite? we should run tonight.
i think i'm gonna start running again next semester if i get a class schedule NOT involving 8 o'clock classes >.<
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On November 11 2009 02:27 mOnion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2009 02:20 R0YAL wrote:
/agree NonY
/agree mOnion
golly this thread is putting me in a work out mood lol dude inorite? we should run tonight. i think i'm gonna start running again next semester if i get a class schedule NOT involving 8 o'clock classes >.<
ya dude that was not the smartest thing  lol
im up for a run after i roll johann in sc 
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