Student disarms potential shooter on bus - Page 12

On September 05 2009 12:45 Draconizard wrote:


Aegraen's in Coast Guard training, which is clearly more badass than any navy SEAL could ever hope to be.

On September 05 2009 12:45 Draconizard wrote:


Aegraen's in Coast Guard training, which is clearly more badass than any navy SEAL could ever hope to be.

On September 05 2009 12:31 Aegraen wrote:


This was in Mississippi.....I know it's hard for a Canadian to understand, but just about everyone has a gun in the South. Think of Texas, and extrapolate that to the rest of the south and for that matter much of the southwest. The average High School student in Mississippi knows a whole hell of a lot more about guns than say, a High School student in Maryland or Michigan.

On September 05 2009 12:10 DamageControL wrote:

Your counter analogies are flawed because in them the perceived threat as well as the actual threat changes, where as in the first the perceived threat is inconsistent with the actual threat.

So I would argue that we should judge how brave someone is based upon the perceived threat and not the actual threat because the actual threat has not effect on action.

Consider this. A grenade is tossed. I dive on it to save my fellow soldiers in my squad.

Whether that grenade is defective or not, I am still being heroic because I, from my situation, have no way of knowing the difference between my prospective fates. That is, while I certainly hope the grenade is defective when I dive, I still am willing to die for my fellow soldiers. The act is equivalent in terms of bravery.

If you want to argue whether or not he is a hero, you can argue what qualifies as a hero, but should not dispute that his act was as courageous as if the chick had a more powerful gun, or ten bullets, or 20.

edit: In addition I feel that what a hero is has a somewhat fluid definition, but in general the kid should be considered one. Being a hero should be weighed in three ways, in my opinion. What was the risk to the potential hero, what was the potential damage that said maybe hero prevented, and what was his motivation.

Obviously his motivation lied in his siblings and his friends, a worthy motivation.

His life really could have been in danger as soon as he "tried to get her attention" People have focused a lot on the tackle itself, which may have been minimally (but still possibly) dangerous. However, I think as soon as you talk to a potentially unstable person with a gun no matter how "weak" it is. Clearly, he was at risk.

Finally, damage control. I think he potentially saved a life and a couple of injuries. Yeah, she's not hitting someone with every bullet, and maybe she doesn't shoot the gun, but she still has the capability to hurt quite a few people.

On September 05 2009 22:08 BlackJack wrote:
Well considering she had a loaded gun that she was pointing at people, I guess this makes him brave and a hero.

On September 05 2009 11:31 CharlieMurphy wrote:

this made me lol for some reason. Back to the meat of your post, I don't think you guys are reading into my whole perspective of the situation (which is actually kind of ironic because that is the basis of my points) I'm not gonna repeat myself again, just click the all button and ctrl+f to find my posts.


if this guy rode the bus with this girl every day and saw her often enough at school I'm sure he had a good enough read on her to make a totally safe move. It's like If this was my 14 year old sister when I was 18 and she did this I could easily do the same thing because I know what she is and isn't capable of even before the whole situation.