EPTStudent disarms potential shooter on bus - Page 11
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BalliSLife
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keV.
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On September 05 2009 11:03 CharlieMurphy wrote: I'm not generalizing , you are. I'm saying in this particular video this chick is obviously bluffing. So yes, these kids are safe because again she just lets them all walk behind her and off the bus with no repercussions. Just to clarify, the kid is either brave or stupid but he is no hero. Oh, you're trolling. No way you could be this stupid. My bad, troll on. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
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keV.
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On September 05 2009 11:12 CharlieMurphy wrote: It's pointless to argue my points because half of you don't even leave your homes to understand what the fuck i'm talking about. Nah, your points are just bad. | ||
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CharlieMurphy
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Probe.
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BalliSLife
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keV.
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On September 05 2009 11:14 CharlieMurphy wrote: There are people who front and try to act all crazy but they don't do shit. This is called "all bark and no bite". This girl is the perfect example. Even if that true (keep in mind that there is no possible way of confirming it) The bite is the gun, not the intent to use it. Even if she had no intention of executing someone with a sound mind. It does not mean that someone could not have gotten hurt when a loaded weapon was present. It says right in the article that she had a cheap gun with a tendency to misfire. | ||
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keV.
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CharlieMurphy
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On September 05 2009 11:19 Probe. wrote: It doesn't matter what you think the girl might have done or know what she might have done. The fact is SHE HAD A FUCKING GUN and she was emotionally unstable. You can't use rational thoughts on someone who is acting unrational. In the eyes of the boy on the bus he saw a chick with a gun. No need to go into specifics about the gun. And instead of running the fuck out of there (or casual strolling out like CharlieMurphy would do if a gun is pointed at him) he stayed and ensured everyone left unharmed and the girls only means of harm was taken away from her. This selfless act alone makes him a hero. this made me lol for some reason. Back to the meat of your post, I don't think you guys are reading into my whole perspective of the situation (which is actually kind of ironic because that is the basis of my points) I'm not gonna repeat myself again, just click the all button and ctrl+f to find my posts. if this guy rode the bus with this girl every day and saw her often enough at school I'm sure he had a good enough read on her to make a totally safe move. It's like If this was my 14 year old sister when I was 18 and she did this I could easily do the same thing because I know what she is and isn't capable of even before the whole situation. | ||
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29 fps
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Zozma
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keV.
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On September 05 2009 11:31 CharlieMurphy wrote: this made me lol for some reason. Back to the meat of your post, I don't think you guys are reading into my whole perspective of the situation (which is actually kind of ironic because that is the basis of my points) I'm not gonna repeat myself again, just click the all button and ctrl+f to find my posts. if this guy rode the bus with this girl every day and saw her often enough at school I'm sure he had a good enough read on her to make a totally safe move. It's like If this was my 14 year old sister when I was 18 and she did this I could easily do the same thing because I know what she is and isn't capable of even before the whole situation. So much bullshit in here that I actually laughed. Well played. | ||
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DamageControL
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On September 05 2009 10:58 lepape wrote: Although you were sarcastic, what you said is totally true. The move is less heroic when the weapon is less lethal, that's common sense. -Is she was holding a fully loaded assault rifle, it would be f-king heroic because everyone could die. -Is she was holding a kitchen knife, stopping her would be nice, not heroic, because the most she could do would be to stab someone's eye. Stopping someone who has virtually no chance to inflict any damage, it's not heroic. At most, it's brave if the situation looks worse than it is. Your counter analogies are flawed because in them the perceived threat as well as the actual threat changes, where as in the first the perceived threat is inconsistent with the actual threat. So I would argue that we should judge how brave someone is based upon the perceived threat and not the actual threat because the actual threat has not effect on action. Consider this. A grenade is tossed. I dive on it to save my fellow soldiers in my squad. Whether that grenade is defective or not, I am still being heroic because I, from my situation, have no way of knowing the difference between my prospective fates. That is, while I certainly hope the grenade is defective when I dive, I still am willing to die for my fellow soldiers. The act is equivalent in terms of bravery. If you want to argue whether or not he is a hero, you can argue what qualifies as a hero, but should not dispute that his act was as courageous as if the chick had a more powerful gun, or ten bullets, or 20. edit: In addition I feel that what a hero is has a somewhat fluid definition, but in general the kid should be considered one. Being a hero should be weighed in three ways, in my opinion. What was the risk to the potential hero, what was the potential damage that said maybe hero prevented, and what was his motivation. Obviously his motivation lied in his siblings and his friends, a worthy motivation. His life really could have been in danger as soon as he "tried to get her attention" People have focused a lot on the tackle itself, which may have been minimally (but still possibly) dangerous. However, I think as soon as you talk to a potentially unstable person with a gun no matter how "weak" it is. Clearly, he was at risk. Finally, damage control. I think he potentially saved a life and a couple of injuries. Yeah, she's not hitting someone with every bullet, and maybe she doesn't shoot the gun, but she still has the capability to hurt quite a few people. | ||
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neobowman
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Aegraen
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On September 05 2009 12:28 neobowman wrote: I doubt that too many high school students would be able to tell the difference between different guns either. Great move by the football player. This was in Mississippi.....I know it's hard for a Canadian to understand, but just about everyone has a gun in the South. Think of Texas, and extrapolate that to the rest of the south and for that matter much of the southwest. The average High School student in Mississippi knows a whole hell of a lot more about guns than say, a High School student in Maryland or Michigan. | ||
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Zozma
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If anyone has better credentials than the police for telling us how fatal a bullet from a gun is, don't hesitate to make us aware of them. If not, then I think we can say that there was serious risk to the lives of everyone on that bus. Whether or not what our protagonist did was the right move, we can leave that to the philosophers. | ||
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Archaic
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DamageControL
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On September 05 2009 12:31 Aegraen wrote: This was in Mississippi.....I know it's hard for a Canadian to understand, but just about everyone has a gun in the South. Think of Texas, and extrapolate that to the rest of the south and for that matter much of the southwest. The average High School student in Mississippi knows a whole hell of a lot more about guns than say, a High School student in Maryland or Michigan. This may be hard for a hardened badass navy SEAL like yourself to understand, but most people aren't thinking about what kind of gun they are facing, rationalizing, then acting on that. They are going, wtf gun. | ||
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Draconizard
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On September 05 2009 12:41 DamageControL wrote: This may be hard for a hardened badass navy SEAL like yourself to understand, but most people aren't thinking about what kind of gun they are facing, rationalizing, then acting on that. They are going, wtf gun. Aegraen's in Coast Guard training, which is clearly more badass than any navy SEAL could ever hope to be. | ||
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