EPTStudent disarms potential shooter on bus - Page 9
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Zozma
United States1626 Posts
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1tym
Korea (South)2425 Posts
On September 05 2009 00:41 Aegraen wrote: Nope, merely pointing out that having a consensus doesn't mean you are necessarily correct. Way to take what I said to the vapid extreme once again. Anyways, any further discussions with me you guys wish to have PM me please. This thread has moved a ways from its intent in the first place. Unless it's a scientific or mathematical theory that can be tested and proved over and over again as far as person's behavior is concerned cultural and social perception at the time defines what is and what is not. It is true that having a consensus does not mean that you are correct, but then since there is no fixed metric that determines what a hero is and what is not, if majority of the people at the time perceive a person as a hero, then he is a hero by today's standards regardless of what people might think of him 100 years on. | ||
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Terranist
United States2496 Posts
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synapse
China13814 Posts
On September 05 2009 00:23 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote: SCIENCE TO THE RESCUE!!!! ![[image loading]](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2432/3886688113_f0d15f2e6a.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2633/3887387134_2bb59ce415.jpg) I think the red should say "States where people are crazy and have guns" instead  | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
On September 05 2009 00:23 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote: SCIENCE TO THE RESCUE!!!! I like it | ||
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ilj.psa
Peru3081 Posts
simple, yet so effective. | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
*sigh...* | ||
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Alizee-
United States845 Posts
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ShaperofDreams
Canada2492 Posts
and you pretend like you know precisely what would have happened and exactly what the guy did. Taking a risk for someone else not to have to = bravery IMO. I think you're a huge troll. | ||
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Draconizard
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PH
United States6173 Posts
On September 04 2009 07:48 CharlieMurphy wrote: I'm not trying to be a downer, I'm just saying this is not awesome and is by no means heroic. "if not for the instincts of 18 year old football star.." blah blah american patriot propaganda. See guys! learning to play football and tackling people can save lives! There was probably a higher chance of the gun accidentally going off then her actually trying to shoot some kids. I think you're a sad, cynical douche bag. The article is written like shit, and the sheriff did run his mouth like any other would on US media, but that's not the focus here. You don't need infinite bullets nor need you be a sharpshooter to kill someone with a loaded weapon in the close confines of a school bus. Be realistic. The guy is a hero for not freaking the fuck out like you and I would have done and for doing something constructive about it. Regardless of whether or not she would have shot anyone, he ensured for a damn fact that no one would get shot. When it comes to people's lives like that, being willing to compromise and accept probabilities like you seem to be doing is just unacceptable. | ||
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shidonu
United States50 Posts
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BalliSLife
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Radical
United States481 Posts
-No one knows if the guy knew what kind of gun it was, and no one knows if he knew how powerful it was. -There was a loaded gun being waved around, therefore there was a chance that the guy could die, regardless of the caliber of the gun. -The guy stayed and disarmed the girl. No one knows what his motives were (fame? just being a good guy? does it really matter since the result is that he possibly saved people from being killed or injured?) /end of facts/ I mean even if he knew what kind of gun it was, do you really think he was sitting there going "Oh that's a .38, this is going to be easy!" Even if that kind of thing doesn't scare you now, I think that instincts would come into play and you would just want to run as soon as you saw a gun come out anyway. Honestly if you look at this objectively and don't make a ton of assumptions, I don't see how you can say this guy didn't do a good thing here. The simple truth is, none of us here did anything about this situation, so to do anything less than praise this guy is basically like going up to him after the fact and saying, "Yeah, thanks a lot...jackass. Everyone knows that gun probably wouldn't have killed you, and everyone also knows that she probably wouldn't have used it anyway." I'm not saying the guy is like the hero of the century or anything, but he at least did something good for people other than himself. | ||
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Aegraen
United States1225 Posts
On September 05 2009 07:53 BalliSLife wrote: Aegraen reminds me of bill o reilly How's that? I hardly share any views with O'Reilly. | ||
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Radical
United States481 Posts
On September 05 2009 07:56 Aegraen wrote: How's that? I hardly share any views with O'Reilly. You don't have to share his views in order to be similar to him. | ||
PangO
Chile1870 Posts
On September 05 2009 06:19 PH wrote: I think you're a sad, cynical douche bag. The article is written like shit, and the sheriff did run his mouth like any other would on US media, but that's not the focus here. You don't need infinite bullets nor need you be a sharpshooter to kill someone with a loaded weapon in the close confines of a school bus. Be realistic. The guy is a hero for not freaking the fuck out like you and I would have done and for doing something constructive about it. Regardless of whether or not she would have shot anyone, he ensured for a damn fact that no one would get shot. When it comes to people's lives like that, being willing to compromise and accept probabilities like you seem to be doing is just unacceptable. I have to agree on that. ..When it comes to people's lives... that´s all that matters | ||
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Triple7
United States656 Posts
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Beaudereck
Canada140 Posts
On September 05 2009 00:33 1tym wrote: If you read the thread it's not hard to find out who people think is retarded other than your fanboy KaRnaGe[cF]. Do not discredit people on their opinions, but on how they present it, or on their arguments, please. This way the debate may conclude one day. | ||
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Hazard
Norway594 Posts
Real life is not a movie and you can't disarm all bad guys with zero casualties all the time... and its a good thing that this guy disarmed that crazy gunner (if someone thinks that it's nothing special than let em think so). Sure he is not a special forces member who died covering a child from crossfire but he reacted like a pro. P.S. I'm not good with guns but I think it depends a lot of the bullet and not only of caliber. For example one can load his big caliber gun with non-lethal bullets (still could kill but less likely). Small gun like .38 loaded with normal bullets is much more lethal than a .50 caliber Magnum loaded with non-lethal bullets. | ||
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