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On September 04 2009 22:21 Manifesto7 wrote:
I would conclude that SHE HAS A GUN, and that gun is capable of killing someone. Are you seriously going to defend this line of reasoning? Do you honestly think that this 14 year old kid is going to calmly reason about the size of a gun in that situation? Like, he is just going to calmly sit there and rationalize about the firearm a crazy kid is waving around?
I can't put myself in his shoes so it does no good to speculate what he is thinking. As someone who grew up in the South we know our guns very well. We aren't as afraid of guns as other sections of the country or the world. Also, people were leaving the bus when he decided to tackle her. It was pretty clear at that point she wasn't going to do anything. Just like the people who say they are going to jump off the bridge, but instead tie up traffic for 18+ hours; they're seeking attention, thats why Police use rubber bullets and shoot bridge jumpers off the bridge if the fall won't do any serious harm.
He didn't even need to do anything. He could have just nonchalantly walked off the bus like everyone else was. I was merely pointing out that with 5 rounds and .380 the amount of damage she could have inflicted would be very minimal at best. It's known that unless you precisely hit vital area, that a person can more times than not survive 9+ shots from 9mm let alone .380, which has 400 less F/S.
I've heard stories from my grandfather in his 30+ years as a Law Enforcement officer of people surviving 12+ shots from 9MM which has 33% more power than .380ACP.
+ Show Spoiler +http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071222165605AAnuei4
Why do you think many PD's are going to .40? Why do you think every Military Branch phased out the 9mm and went back to the 1911 or the .40 (I own the CG used Sig Sauer .40 which packs a much more lethal punch than 9MM and far and away more than .380ACP)
I'm just curious. How much experience do you have shooting weapons? How much knowledge base do you have? Are you aware that guns are not a taboo thought or subject in the South and pretty much everyone has at least one?
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The lethality depends on where you receive those shots, don't you think?
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lllllllllllllol at people being serious and saying this was no big deal. Even having a gun pointed in my direction would freak me out, let alone someone with half a mind to shoot it. What the guy did takes balls regardless of the size of the firearm...
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lets all just be glad no one died.
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On September 04 2009 22:58 Sprite wrote:
lets all just be glad no one died.
Yea...in the end we'll never know what the hell she was going to do and even if the gun doesn't have the capacity to kill someone, better noone wounded than someone wounded in my opinion ^^
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On September 04 2009 23:05 b3h47pte wrote:Yea...in the end we'll never know what the hell she was going to do and even if the gun doesn't have the capacity to kill someone, better noone wounded than someone wounded in my opinion ^^
I think this goes without saying.
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Aegraen nothing you've said in the thread is very relevant...nobody wants to be shot or have a hole in their lung.
If some people try to mug me and a person helps me they are brave, it doesn't matter that I most likely would not die from being mugged.
edit: to expand
Lets say because of a situation a group of people each have a 1% chance of dieing or getting hurt. Somebody then takes that 1% chance in place of all the other people. That is practically the definition of bravery and sacrifice and it shouldn't be so mitigated. I'm not saying he deserves a MoH or anything.
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On September 04 2009 23:05 b3h47pte wrote:Yea...in the end we'll never know what the hell she was going to do and even if the gun doesn't have the capacity to kill someone, better noone wounded than someone wounded in my opinion ^^
I have to agree though with those who said it's improbable she did that with the intention of shooting someone. An accident could have happened, no doubt about it, the risk was there and I certainly don't want to minimize the danger of the situation or what the guy did.
But if her goal was to kill one person, why would she do this in a bus in front of everyone, after threatening them? Also, her goal obviously wasnt to kill everyone in the bus either. It seems more like an extreme crazy attention whore situation.
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I have a common sense question. How much real life and death gun related experience and gun knowledge does it require for a 14 year old high schooler to become completely immune to real life gun threat situation even in south? Do you ever become completely immune to something that can kill instantly with one trigger? You're really stretching it to a nonsensical extent to fit your retarded argument.
So you're actually assuming that the 14 year old high school star player quarterback with a bright future ahead was somehow dealing drugs and come to casually encounter guns on daily basis so he instantly figured that the gun she was holding was a 38 automatic handgun and with 5 rounds and .380 and rationalized that the amount of damage she could have inflicted would be wounded chest at best hence after studying her body movements concluded that she wasn't capable of killing anyone so he tackled her? Wow he must have been a FBI not a regular 14 year old high school boy! Also the proximity between the gunner and Eulls was close enough to cause fatality regardless of the lethality level of the gun.
Do you also realize it was Euls that opened the emergency door at the back despite her pointing a gun at him and let everyone off safe in the first place? How many people do you think had the guts to do that in that situation?
Please don't argue for the sake of arguing but really feel what you're saying.
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On September 04 2009 22:42 Aegraen wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 22:21 Manifesto7 wrote:
I would conclude that SHE HAS A GUN, and that gun is capable of killing someone. Are you seriously going to defend this line of reasoning? Do you honestly think that this 14 year old kid is going to calmly reason about the size of a gun in that situation? Like, he is just going to calmly sit there and rationalize about the firearm a crazy kid is waving around? I can't put myself in his shoes so it does no good to speculate what he is thinking. As someone who grew up in the South we know our guns very well. We aren't as afraid of guns as other sections of the country or the world. Also, people were leaving the bus when he decided to tackle her. It was pretty clear at that point she wasn't going to do anything. Just like the people who say they are going to jump off the bridge, but instead tie up traffic for 18+ hours; they're seeking attention, thats why Police use rubber bullets and shoot bridge jumpers off the bridge if the fall won't do any serious harm. He didn't even need to do anything. He could have just nonchalantly walked off the bus like everyone else was. I was merely pointing out that with 5 rounds and .380 the amount of damage she could have inflicted would be very minimal at best. It's known that unless you precisely hit vital area, that a person can more times than not survive 9+ shots from 9mm let alone .380, which has 400 less F/S. I've heard stories from my grandfather in his 30+ years as a Law Enforcement officer of people surviving 12+ shots from 9MM which has 33% more power than .380ACP. + Show Spoiler +http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071222165605AAnuei4 Why do you think many PD's are going to .40? Why do you think every Military Branch phased out the 9mm and went back to the 1911 or the .40 (I own the CG used Sig Sauer .40 which packs a much more lethal punch than 9MM and far and away more than .380ACP) I'm just curious. How much experience do you have shooting weapons? How much knowledge base do you have? Are you aware that guns are not a taboo thought or subject in the South and pretty much everyone has at least one?
I have a common sense question. How much real life and death gun related experience and gun knowledge does it require for a 14 year old high schooler to become completely immune to real life gun threat situation even in south? Do you ever become completely immune to something that can kill instantly with one trigger? You're really stretching it to a nonsensical extent to fit your retarded argument.
So you're actually assuming that the 14 year old high school star player quarterback with a bright future ahead was somehow dealing drugs and come to casually encounter guns on daily basis so he instantly figured that the gun she was holding was a 38 automatic handgun and with 5 rounds and .380 and rationalized that the amount of damage she could have inflicted would be wounded chest at best hence after studying her body movements concluded that she wasn't capable of killing anyone so he tackled her? Wow he must have been a FBI not a regular 14 year old high school boy! Also the proximity between the gunner and Eulls was close enough to cause fatality regardless of the lethality level of the gun.
Do you also realize it was Euls that opened the emergency door at the back despite her pointing a gun at him and let everyone off safe in the first place? How many people do you think have the guts to do that in that situation?
Please don't argue for the sake of arguing but really feel what you're saying.
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On September 04 2009 23:14 ShaperofDreams wrote:
Aegraen nothing you've said in the thread is very relevant...nobody wants to be shot or have a hole in their lung.
If some people try to mug me and a person helps me they are brave, it doesn't matter that I most likely would not die from being mugged.
It's very relevant. What one person calls brave, another calls stupid. The people on the bus were all ready getting off the bus with no altercation. The guy could have just lept off the bus with the others and no harm would have happened. He actually increased the chances of something happening, by his actions.
+ Show Spoiler +Eulls first opened the emergency door in the back and told the other kids to get off the bus. For several tense minutes, as panicked kids tried to get off the bus.
A bus is a very very small inclosure, it would be impossible for her to not see people getting off the bus. It became plainly obvious her intention wasn't to shoot anyone, but to grab attention. Oh well, let's not analyze the situation lets just read "Gun / Tackle = brave". Now, the calibre and type of weapon is very relevant. Do you think he would have tried that if it was a .357 Mag, or 1911 Colt?
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# 1 Aegraen FAN!!!! 
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On September 04 2009 23:22 1tym wrote:
I have a common sense question. How much real life and death gun related experience and gun knowledge does it require for a 14 year old high schooler to become completely immune to real life gun threat situation even in south? Do you ever become completely immune to something that can kill instantly with one trigger? You're really stretching it to a nonsensical extent to fit your retarded argument.
So you're actually assuming that the 14 year old high school star player quarterback with a bright future ahead was somehow dealing drugs and come to casually encounter guns on daily basis so he instantly figured that the gun she was holding was a 38 automatic handgun and with 5 rounds and .380 and rationalized that the amount of damage she could have inflicted would be wounded chest at best hence after studying her body movements concluded that she wasn't capable of killing anyone so he tackled her? Wow he must have been a FBI not a regular 14 year old high school boy! Also the proximity between the gunner and Eulls was close enough to cause fatality regardless of the lethality level of the gun.
Do you also realize it was Euls that opened the emergency door at the back despite her pointing a gun at him and let everyone off safe in the first place? How many people do you think had the guts to do that in that situation?
Please don't argue for the sake of arguing but really feel what you're saying.
Contrary to popular opinion, not everyone freezes and shits their pants when someone is armed and dangerous. Some people actually analyze the situation. Secondly, it never said his age, only that he was in Highschool. I would assume that he was older than 14, as 14 is the entry into High School. Secondly, shooting guns is a pastime in the South, so yes, the average kid in the South knows quite a bit about weapons, especially a guy. I'm also not sure how drugs got involved in the arguement....Are you aware that there are things called Ranges and backyards? What about hunting?
The mentality that everything related to weaponry is somehow associated with illegality, is absurd. Let's get back on topic shall we. He had no need to tackle her. It wasn't bravery, it was stupidity. Increasing the chance of an accidental firing occurence. What was the need to do that when the other kids were getting off the bus and she wasn't doing anything about it.
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But Eulls isn’t someone that Yazoo County sees every day. The 6-foot-4, 255-pound senior star is one of Mississippi’s “Dandy Dozen,”
So, yes, he was more likely 17 or 18, not 14. A huge difference wouldn't you say?
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On September 04 2009 23:24 1tym wrote:
Do you also realize it was Euls that opened the emergency door at the back despite her pointing a gun at him and let everyone off safe in the first place? How many people do you think have the guts to do that in that situation?
Well judging by his first post on this page it certainly doesn't look like it
On September 04 2009 22:42 Aegraen wrote:
Also, people were leaving the bus when he decided to tackle her.
I mean wtf,
that's why he made her focus on him instead of the others so that they could leave via emergency door after he opened it HIMSELF. And as soon as she looked away instead of at him he tackled her and disarmed her.
Are you too freaking selfabsorbed too even read the OPs entire tl;dr??
On September 04 2009 23:30 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:# 1 Aegraen FAN!!!!
That's the saddest thing I've ever read
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OK since you won't give in let's stop speculating as to what his motive was and what she was capable/incapable of. After all, it's all speculation based on circumstantial measurement. From your very first post in this thread you try to take credit away from him but you're continually dismissing the fact that it was him who opened the emergency back door in the first place and shifted the attention from girl from everyone else to him? That is not bravery? It wasn't like everyone else was casually walking off the bus with a crazy girl pointing a gun at them.
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On September 04 2009 23:30 KaRnaGe[cF] wrote:# 1 Aegraen FAN!!!!
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On September 04 2009 23:37 1tym wrote:
OK since you won't give in let's stop speculating as to what his motive was and what she was capable/incapable of. After all, it's all speculation based on circumstantial measurement. Your very first post in this thread was to take credit away from him but you're continually dismissing the fact that it was him who opened the emergency back door in the first place and shifted the attention from girl from everyone else to him? That is not bravery? It wasn't like everyone else was casually walking off the bus with a crazy girl pointing a gun at them.
Are you aware that they were on a bus? You can see everyone on the bus infront of you without even thinking about using your perepheral vision. It's absolutely impossible to not notice people walking off the bus.
Take credit away? I said he had balls. What else do you want? A glorious standing ovation, while I proclaim to the citizenry what a hero we have in our midst as we erect for him a 25 ft tall bronze statue.
Yes, what he did by opening the emergency door and having people get off the bus was a good deed, a hero though? I don't think so, especially when he decided to tackle her and cause a situation with an increased chance of an accidental fire.
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He is a hero to me. What have any of you done in your lifetime that is even remotely close to what he has done for 22 people that were on the bus other than keyboard warrior-ing on the internet? In fact yes a glorious standing ovation from an unappreciative skeptic like you would be nice
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