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Honestly this can be discussed so many different ways which makes it really interesting. First off ammo, .380 ACP is pretty weak, however, let's be realistic these are highschool students many weigh less than 125 pounds which means its all the more lethality i.e. a .45 ACP would blow them up like a melon :O anyhow onward.
This is overhyped, its portrayed with "football hero" in the title, what does football have to do with anything? I do think its great that no one was harmed and that the situation was diffused, that's what we all want. I recognize the circumstances though and the reality is that its something ANYONE should do. It shouldn't be this. Everyone loves being a sheep and just running away instead of doing something about it. This is a perfect example where laws, police, and the government can't save you. You have to act on your own accord and live life. I think his action is commendable from an outsider looking in, inside looking out perhaps he's just a dumb jock who thought he's a bad ass football player and can tackle her, I don't know, but again outside looking in, its commendable...I'm not sure about heroic(everyone is a hero nowadays it seems).
Also as a previous poster used the term "gunman" I urge you to come to reality. This is a media created term and has no application as it was a "gungirl". Gunman is easy to say and really fits the profile of a disgruntled gun toting kook of a man which is why if someone has a gun its not a person, a guy, some dude, no its a GUNMAN. Really though in closing, its something anyone should do and should remind us to be not only polite to each other, but have some common interest in helping one another out in times of need rather than this every man for himself, hope I don't get hurt, I'm running away mentality.
Indifference is an evil in and of itself.
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On September 04 2009 08:26 Hittegods wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 08:20 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Like I said, I'm not just assuming the best like they are assuming the worst. I'm basing myself off the girl's known motivation, her body language, her age, her lack of planning. All of which was plainly obvious for anyone on the bus.
Sure the guy gets credit for stopping the dumb cunt from wasting more time than she already has but I don't think he saved any lives (except maybe if the gun went off accidentally or some other student scared her into shooting them). So the guy gets credit there, but other than that it's not what it's made out to be. Oh didn't realize you were on that bus.
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If that isn't a heroic act when a kid saves a bunch of others from getting shot at then i don't know what we define as heroic, maybe marvel super heroes?
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On September 04 2009 10:17 BalliSLife wrote:
If that isn't a heroic act when a kid saves a bunch of others from getting shot at then i don't know what we define as heroic, maybe marvel super heroes?
srsly wtf
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On September 04 2009 08:26 Hittegods wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 08:20 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Like I said, I'm not just assuming the best like they are assuming the worst. I'm basing myself off the girl's known motivation, her body language, her age, her lack of planning. All of which was plainly obvious for anyone on the bus.
Sure the guy gets credit for stopping the dumb cunt from wasting more time than she already has but I don't think he saved any lives (except maybe if the gun went off accidentally or some other student scared her into shooting them). So the guy gets credit there, but other than that it's not what it's made out to be. Oh didn't realize you were on that bus.
There is a video smart ass.
On September 04 2009 10:43 Wolfwood. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 10:17 BalliSLife wrote:
If that isn't a heroic act when a kid saves a bunch of others from getting shot at then i don't know what we define as heroic, maybe marvel super heroes? srsly wtf
He didn't really save anyone, that is my point. Kids were just strolling off the bus and he didn't even have to do anything. Girl was just nerd raging and attention whoring to intimidate people.
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On September 04 2009 10:43 Wolfwood. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 10:17 BalliSLife wrote:
If that isn't a heroic act when a kid saves a bunch of others from getting shot at then i don't know what we define as heroic, maybe marvel super heroes? srsly wtf
hahahaha marvel super heroes! :D
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On September 04 2009 07:25 CharlieMurphy wrote:
This kid is no hero, he's either a dumb jock or just saw a really weak chick a
Like being a jock makes him less of a hero. You know who got targeted at Columbine. He probably did too, and he still put himself in harms way.
Yeah, she probably would have done nothing, but that's not the type of thing you gamble on given the circumstances (possible death)
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at least the sheriff called it a magazine instead of a clip like the dumb article
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On September 04 2009 05:52 Aegraen wrote:
A .38 with 5 rounds....She must have been blonde.
Guy still has some balls even though a .38 is the weakest gun imaginable with very little penetrating or stopping power.
.22 ? .25?
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Rofl I love CharlieMurphy
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+ Show Spoiler +On September 04 2009 07:19 Wangsta wrote:um... WTF? look at the image from that article, whats that thing between the red kid's legs caption from the article: "This graphic re-creation shows how Kaleb Eulls tackled the girl threatening fellow school bus passengers with a gun."
A belt... but rofl
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On September 04 2009 10:52 CharlieMurphy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 08:26 Hittegods wrote:On September 04 2009 08:20 CharlieMurphy wrote:
Like I said, I'm not just assuming the best like they are assuming the worst. I'm basing myself off the girl's known motivation, her body language, her age, her lack of planning. All of which was plainly obvious for anyone on the bus.
Sure the guy gets credit for stopping the dumb cunt from wasting more time than she already has but I don't think he saved any lives (except maybe if the gun went off accidentally or some other student scared her into shooting them). So the guy gets credit there, but other than that it's not what it's made out to be. Oh didn't realize you were on that bus. There is a video smart ass. Show nested quote +On September 04 2009 10:43 Wolfwood. wrote:On September 04 2009 10:17 BalliSLife wrote:
If that isn't a heroic act when a kid saves a bunch of others from getting shot at then i don't know what we define as heroic, maybe marvel super heroes? srsly wtf He didn't really save anyone, that is my point. Kids were just strolling off the bus and he didn't even have to do anything. Girl was just nerd raging and attention whoring to intimidate people.
You're completely missing the point. This is not about what would or wouldn't have happened hadn't the kid had acted to diffuse the situation. I agree with you to a certain extent that what you have speculated is more likely and nothing may have happened after all even though the history has never been according to circumstantial measurements and speculations. Anyways, all that is irrelevant.
This is really about the bravery of this young boy. Whether the gunner is male or female, 10 or 20 year old, sloppy or organized, when someone is holding a gun then everyone is instantly intimidated and terrified. Not many people is rational enough to calculate their chances of success/survival if they were to act in that situation and potentially risk his/her life in a terrifying situation unless you're professionally trained that way.
Would you question the fact that his actions are not what 99% of the general population would have done especially if you are a Junior high student? The fact that he had enough courage to handle the situation the way he did alone is very commendable and needs recognition on his part.
What type of gun she was holding is also irrelevant as it's very very unlikely a 14 year old high school boy possess the knowledge about the lethality of the gun yet alone identifying the gun model.
Hero by definition is "A person noted for feats of courage or nobility of purpose, especially one who has risked or sacrificed his or her life" To me what is important is not whether the situation has really been deadly or not but his mindset. He did risk his life from his perspective and he showed feats of courage.
Professional criminals plan their gigs and they are driven by clear motivation. They kill for a reason and very well aware of the consequences. Hence the negotiators make their living right? From that viewpoint an irrational, enraged teenager can be more dangerous in a sense that their actions are often spontaneous and unarticulated. Remember Cho Seung Hui? He killed 32 people and wounded 25 people in an open campus. That is not exactly what a typical gangster would do.
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On September 04 2009 06:04 Kwark wrote:Show nested quote +The video shows Eulls getting up, holding the weapon aloft to show that the girl was disarmed. With the girl in pursuit, trying to get the gun back, he jumped out of the back of the bus.
He got the gun off her and then ran away armed, chased by the 14 year old girl?
The chased by 14 year old girl part just makes me lol, just picturing it, a guy with a gun running away. Very brave of the kid, I always thought that if i were in this situation I would try to do something. Chances are if its a school shooting they will kill someone so why not step up and take em down if you see the chance.
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i thought you were gonna say he opened the emergency exit and kicked her out.
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On September 04 2009 07:25 CharlieMurphy wrote:
It always annoys the fuck out of me the ridiculous assumptions and bullshit that the people involved and the law enforcement say after the fact. no telling how many lives were saved", yea because she has infinite bullets and is a sharp shooter right? "there would be a lot of sad families if he wasn't there to stop her" fuck you, you don't fucking know that, are you psychic? Did redneck cop class teach you that all black kids are 100% murderers when they have a gun out?
This was a girl, she was young, probably dumb, she probably wouldn't have shot anyone. She probably didn't even know what the fuck she was doing. She most likely just brought the gun with intention of scaring everyone so they wouldn't fuck with her anymore.
This kid is no hero, he's either a dumb jock or just saw a really weak chick and read that she wasn't really gonna hurt anyone from her body language and just tackled her when opportune.
Just as suggested, this is overhyped sensationalized bullshit.
Are you kidding? That's all irrelevant to whether or not he is a hero. The simple fact that he confronted her, put his own life in jeopardy over others with a gun pointed at him, and tackled her at that makes him a hero.
If someone takes out a gun and starts waving it - besides the fact such "rational" thinking on your part would most likely go out the window - you have no idea whether or not they are crazy enough to use it. Once again, whether or not she would have used it if he didn't do anything is completely irrelevant.
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On September 04 2009 12:25 1tym wrote:
gun she was holding is also irrelevant as it's very very unlikely a 14 year old high school boy possess the knowledge about the lethality of the gun yet alone identifying the gun model.
Just gonna quote this for emphasis for everyone who is going on about the model of the gun and its lethality.
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to all the keyboard warriors posting about the effectiveness of the gun to downplay the threat of the 14 year old.... its a gun with 5 fuckin bullets at point blank range. what did you expect from everyone? laugh at her toy gun (that can fuckin kill somebody) until she shoots someone in the face??
o look that gun sux LOLz u NooB
0 shitz! dude got bulet smashed into skull....
WTF HAX
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The hero is always like the most talented football player in school. I wish some story like that ever happens to a SC player.
- So, do you think playing Starcraft helped you react properly in this situation?
- Oh yes, absolutely, I had it all planned. I let her scouting drone live on purpose so I could fake being passive, pretending I was going for a macro build, but actually I had a proxy factory in her main making vultures, then I raped her drones as soon as I see an opening.
- Great story sir, thank you for your time.
And seriously, the 3D reenactment in the video is the most cheesy and hilarious thing I've ever seen on a news report.
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