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Telemako
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Spain1636 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-19 23:49:01
November 19 2009 23:37 GMT
#961
On November 20 2009 05:36 Liquid`Drone wrote:
pretty certain those fake kicks are not actually allowed.
foot has to be in a constant forward motion after the kick is started. you can slow down but never bring it back.


You're wrong. You can make any fake before you shoot but you can't start your run again. Is the run what you can slow down but never bring back, not the foot.

EDIT:
Feinting to take a penalty kick to confuse opponents is permitted as part of football. However, if in the opinion of the referee the feinting is considered an act of unsporting behaviour, the player shall be cautioned.

pag 125:
http://www.fifa.com/mm/document/affederation/federation/laws_of_the_game_0708_10565.pdf
I've been around since it all started, and it feels good
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28675 Posts
November 19 2009 23:49 GMT
#962
ok, thanks.
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-19 23:57:39
November 19 2009 23:55 GMT
#963
How is it a better indicator to look at less important games against less good opponents? When the going gets tough, the tough gets going; Italy especially are known for stepping up their game the further into the tournament they get. I mean, what the hell is so impressive about beating Kuwait in the group stage when you can't beat any real opposition when it matters? And even if we use the ''more amount of games = less luck'' approach we get this:

All time WC points gathered (3 for each win, 1 for each tie):

Brazil: 206
Germany: 184
Italy: 149
Argentina: 112

They are the only teams over 100 points. Italy are way ahead of England, Spain and Netherlands no matter how you look at it. Italy have more titles alone than all of those countries combined, has gathered more points overall, and has greater individual players. And if qualification tournaments matters: WC's for Spain, 12. WC's for Italy, 16.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
SF-Fork
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
Russian Federation1401 Posts
November 20 2009 00:08 GMT
#964
on topic I found a site with the ELO ratings for national teams

http://www.eloratings.net/world.html
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
November 20 2009 00:38 GMT
#965
On November 20 2009 05:26 fabiano wrote:
from my viewpoint, when we think about tough matchs for Brazil I think of teams like Italy, Germany, France, England and Spain, even if they are not doing great lately.

but if it were to make a power rank about the opponents, rightnow, it would be like:

1. Italy/Spain/Germany/France
2. England

The first teams are just impossible to determine who is better who is worse, but I can certainly say that they are harder to face than England (I am not saying that England is easy to beat!).

About the penalty issue, I would like to NOT see players doing it the World Cup:



Edit: tried to copy embedded youtube video but failed, so linked it

Edit2: woah, it worked out now...

lol thats extremely unfair , the only way even have a chance to stop it would be that the keeper choose to stand instead of going to either side.
glad this this not overused thogh
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 20 2009 00:57 GMT
#966
Pele used that a lot. I don't think it's unfair at all; goalkeepers who are skilled at penalties don't just randomly jump to one side. Casillas for instance is a scary mofo, he reads players like an open book. I can't remember the last time he went in the wrong direction on a penalty (he went in the correct direction on all penalties against Italy in Euro 08 iirc).
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
SoMuchBetter
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia10606 Posts
November 20 2009 06:07 GMT
#967
i wonder if fifa would order a rematch if france were on the other end of that handball?
AUSSIESCUM
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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
November 20 2009 06:12 GMT
#968
On November 20 2009 09:57 Holgerius wrote:
Pele used that a lot. I don't think it's unfair at all; goalkeepers who are skilled at penalties don't just randomly jump to one side. Casillas for instance is a scary mofo, he reads players like an open book. I can't remember the last time he went in the wrong direction on a penalty (he went in the correct direction on all penalties against Italy in Euro 08 iirc).


You're right, it's pretty amazing now that I watch it again

uberMatt
Profile Joined May 2004
Canada659 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-20 06:24:46
November 20 2009 06:15 GMT
#969
every single englishman i've ever talked to about their national team is highly cynical not sure what holgerius is talking about

i guess he could mean the media but that's a silly basis for an argument
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
November 20 2009 10:05 GMT
#970
Casillas is a pretty special keeper. As is Buffon and Kahn

=)
hatred outlives the hateful
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 20 2009 11:22 GMT
#971
I base it on the fact that before every big tournament, I've had huge discussions with silly englishmen who won't realize their limits. They have done exactly as Liquid`Drone here; blaming all their failures on being unlucky. Which is bullshit.

English fans need to learn some humility (some have done when they missed the last tournament, but still there is an amazingly huge amount of blind fools). England has performed as could be expected of them. Nobody in their right mind would predict England to make the semi-finals on a constant basis; they're simply not one of the best 4 teams in the world. Reaching the quarter-finals is not underachieving for them, it's a pretty accurate description of how good they actually are. Italy reaching the semi-finals is not overachieving; they have always been one of the absolutely best teams in the world, with some of the absolutely best players in the world. When their team has been slightly weaker than normal they have had incredible individuals to pull them through (Baggio 94).

Netherlands, Spain and England have less medals in WC's and EC's combined than Italy alone. In the last 20 years Italy has gotten 4 medals; Spain, Netherlands and England together has gotten 1. To argue that that each and every one of these teams are as good (or better) than Italy is complete and utter bullshit.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28675 Posts
November 20 2009 11:54 GMT
#972
england is worse, spain is better and netherlands is about the same level
all three teams are unlucky, italy lucky, germany lucky, brazil best
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 20 2009 12:13 GMT
#973
You're in so much denial, man. Lol, Spain has 3 medals vs Italy's 9 and you're saying they are actually better than Italy? Not only does Italy have much more accomplishments as a team, if we look at individual players over the years they're miles ahead of Spain.


Brazil
Germany Italy
Argentina France Netherlands
England Spain Portugal ...

Something like that.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
BloodDrunK
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Bangladesh2767 Posts
November 20 2009 12:20 GMT
#974
On November 20 2009 21:13 Holgerius wrote:
You're in so much denial, man. Lol, Spain has 3 medals vs Italy's 9 and you're saying they are actually better than Italy? Not only does Italy have much more accomplishments as a team, if we look at individual players over the years they're miles ahead of Spain.


Brazil
Germany Italy
Argentina France Netherlands
England Spain Portugal ...

Something like that.


but spain now has a team which is more than a match for italy.italy dosen't stand a chance.
You have the power to create your own destiny.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
November 20 2009 12:29 GMT
#975
On November 20 2009 21:20 BloodDrunK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2009 21:13 Holgerius wrote:
You're in so much denial, man. Lol, Spain has 3 medals vs Italy's 9 and you're saying they are actually better than Italy? Not only does Italy have much more accomplishments as a team, if we look at individual players over the years they're miles ahead of Spain.


Brazil
Germany Italy
Argentina France Netherlands
England Spain Portugal ...

Something like that.


but spain now has a team which is more than a match for italy.italy dosen't stand a chance.


Spain didn't really dominate Germany and Italy that much in Euro 2008.

Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 20 2009 12:29 GMT
#976
On November 20 2009 21:20 BloodDrunK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2009 21:13 Holgerius wrote:
You're in so much denial, man. Lol, Spain has 3 medals vs Italy's 9 and you're saying they are actually better than Italy? Not only does Italy have much more accomplishments as a team, if we look at individual players over the years they're miles ahead of Spain.


Brazil
Germany Italy
Argentina France Netherlands
England Spain Portugal ...

Something like that.


but spain now has a team which is more than a match for italy.italy dosen't stand a chance.

As of right now Spain has a brilliant team, yes. They truly have a golden generation with a lot of players peaking, whereas Italy are struggling at the moment. And indeed; Spain won Euro 2008 by beating Italy. That wasn't Italy being unlucky or Spain being lucky; they had a stronger team and that made the difference in the end. But overall historically, and during each and every one of the football era's, Italy has been superior to Spain.

I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
November 20 2009 13:02 GMT
#977
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/internationals/8370327.stm

"There was one match against Georgia where Ireland got a penalty and it was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen which changed the whole course of the game.

"I don't remember the FAI after the game saying we should give them a replay."


How interesting...
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
Nitro68
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
France470 Posts
November 20 2009 13:22 GMT
#978
And the video :


SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
November 20 2009 13:27 GMT
#979
This is a great example of karma!
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
rapture
Profile Joined January 2003
Germany645 Posts
November 20 2009 13:30 GMT
#980
so apparently we've got another manipulation scandal.. ~200 games in europe are suspected to have been rigged

also games in UCL and Europe League
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