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MURICA15980 Posts
On September 23 2009 14:12 Fzero wrote:
Don't even try to lie and tell me your midfield is worth a shit this year. You might have a top 20 midfield on a good day. United won't win anything this year, you can wager any amount of money you want against me on that.
20:1 odds. I bet 100 dollars we get at least one trophy. Deal? I'd do it for 1:1 odds but you sound so damn confident.
Funny how the team hasn't changed at all except Tevez (who was readily replaced by Owen) and Ronaldo (big loss), but the core of the midfield has remained the same as Ronaldo was utilized much more often in the striker role last season than usual. But still, all of a sudden our midfield is worthless.
You kids need to start seeing beyond the hype and look at the pile of trophies this midfield has accumulated in the past 3 years.
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On wing play? Are you joking? Maybe you're counting your fullbacks as wingers then. United don't have wingers. Nani isn't a winger, his crosses go over the goal half the time. Valencia? Joke, not quality enough to play on that team. Scholes will get a red card in 65% of the matches he plays these days. Giggs is just Giggs, fucking quality. Who else? Fletcher? So overrated. Carrick can't keep the pace anymore and gets shrugged off the ball. Just watch when United play Chelsea or Inter or RM or Barca or hell.. even Arsenal were destroying them in the middle of the park. How many matches have United won already this year thanks to refereeing decisions? It sure is good to have the best manager in English football.
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On September 23 2009 14:27 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2009 14:12 Fzero wrote:
Don't even try to lie and tell me your midfield is worth a shit this year. You might have a top 20 midfield on a good day. United won't win anything this year, you can wager any amount of money you want against me on that. 20:1 odds. I bet 100 dollars we get at least one trophy. Deal? I'd do it for 1:1 odds but you sound so damn confident. Funny how the team hasn't changed at all except Tevez (who was readily replaced by Owen) and Ronaldo (big loss), but the core of the midfield has remained the same as Ronaldo was utilized much more often in the striker role last season than usual. But still, all of a sudden our midfield is worthless. You kids need to start seeing beyond the hype and look at the pile of trophies this midfield has accumulated in the past 3 years.
I'll take that 100$ bet at 1:1 if you're serious. And your midfield HAS changed.
Let's peruse United's goals:
06/07:
Rooney - 23
Ronaldo - 23
Saha - 13
Solskjaer - 10
Scholes - 7
Carrick - 6
Giggs - 6
O'Shea - 5
Park - 5
Vidic - 4
Fletcher - 3 (stopping here)
07/08 -
Ronaldo - 42 (lol)
Tevez - 19
Rooney - 18
Saha - 5
Nani - 4
Ferd - 3
Giggs - 3
Carrick - 2
Scholes - 2
Fletcher - 2
Hargreaves - 2 (stopping here)
08/09 -
Ronaldo - 25
Rooney - 17
Tevez - 15
Berbatov - 14
Vidic - 6
Nani - 6
Carrick - 4
Giggs - 4
Park - 4
Scholes - 3
Fletcher - 3 (stopping here)
09/10- (so far after 8 games)
Rooney - 7 (fucking awesome)
Owen - 2
Fletcher - 2
Nani - 2
Giggs - 1
Scholes - 1
Berba - 1
Anderson - 1
So are you planning on having Rooney score 50 goals this year? That's the only way you're going to win a trophy (maybe the FA cup could come your way.. lol)
I don't understand how you think that Fletcher(holder), Carrick(what happened to him? I like him.. sucks this year), Anderson(doesn't start) Giggs(losing pace), Scholes(too old), and Nani(worthless) are the same thing as...
Ronaldo(machine), Anderson(starting, inventive, pace), Giggs(best english player for a decade), Scholes (when he had offense and legs), Carrick (through balls), etc etc...
It's quite obvious that the team can't expect the same sort of performances from 09/10 Giggs/Scholes/Carrick as they did from 06/07/08~ Giggs/Scholes/Carrick.
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MURICA15980 Posts
Blah blah blah. Just watch and see. People say that year after year, especially after United's slow starts year after year.
And I'd never really do that 1:1 as I could get better odds anywhere else. But give me a legit spread and I'll consider it.
Additionally, even if I'm wrong, it'll be pretty damn close on every front - you can count on that. The fact that annoys me about your previous statements is that you make it sound like they won't even legitimately challenge, which they most certainly will. But I think they'll do more than challenge - they'll win. Watch and see. People were saying Scholes and Giggs should retire back in 07 and they're still going strong. It wasn't long ago that Evra was considered a shit signing by all either. I'm telling ya, this team has what it takes to win regardless of your player-by-player analysis because this game is played as a team. And that's what United is - a damn good team.
EDIT: And saying "Where will the goals come from?!" was heard when Ruud left. We hear it again after Ronaldo left. They'll come as the team adjusts.
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Of course they'll challenge. No one can score on them but the best teams in the world. That doesn't mean they're a title winning team though. Simple fact is Arsenal and City will be battling Man United for 3rd-5th this year.
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Um, you obviously didn't watch West Ham v Liverpool.
Unless you're implying Tottenham will finish 2nd (rofl).
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@Fzero: You'd better hope someone drubs them at old trafford sooner rather than later like Liverpool did, before teams are too afraid to go for a win there. I hope so too but it's prolly not gonna happen while Rooney is scoring for fun. Arsenal imploded there and ref rescued them vs City so that's 6/6 from some of the hardest games they'll play at OT. I think only 3 teams left realistically have a chance at taking points from there now.
in the CL on the other hand I think they'll have a harder time.
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Norway28908 Posts
meh fzero is correct about united not winning the league or cl and that ronaldo is a huge loss but everything else is exaggerated
chelsea wins pl
united takes second tho, and I wouldn't be surprised if united gets 90 points like last season, I just think chelsea is gonna get more than that. they look incredibly convincing at the moment.
but fa cup and league cup are both very possible for them to take 
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MURICA15980 Posts
On September 23 2009 15:10 Fzero wrote:
Of course they'll challenge. No one can score on them but the best teams in the world. That doesn't mean they're a title winning team though. Simple fact is Arsenal and City will be battling Man United for 3rd-5th this year.
Umm if you win every single game against the smaller teams and lose every game versus the Big 4, you'll probably still win the league. United will get 2nd at worst. It'll be Chelsea and United fighting for the title.
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j/k
+ Show Spoiler +I read on other forum that some1 calculated that inclouding extra time + citys goal, they played 1second too much when Owen scored -_-..
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On September 23 2009 23:51 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2009 15:10 Fzero wrote:
Of course they'll challenge. No one can score on them but the best teams in the world. That doesn't mean they're a title winning team though. Simple fact is Arsenal and City will be battling Man United for 3rd-5th this year. Umm if you win every single game against the smaller teams and lose every game versus the Big 4, you'll probably still win the league. United will get 2nd at worst. It'll be Chelsea and United fighting for the title.
This is so true
Example:
FC Barcelona last Liga, 87 points (finishing 9 points ahead of the second)
Played 38
Won 27
Draw 6
Lost 5
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Klogan is right. I would say that Manchester United forwards step up and become famous after they join the team and not before. Take for example going all the back to Cantona. He was not even considered a world class player until he played for United. Fast forward to V. Nistelrooy: have many of you even heard of him and what exactly he was capable of as a forward before he joined Man U and was leading scorer of the entire league. The same can be said of Rooney (although he basically started young with Man U).
Good players have always left the team. You could even argue that the best players have left the team on multiple occasions. We lost Beckham, we lost V. Nistelrooy, and we lost Ronaldo. However each time this has happened we have managed to bounce back and win the EPL and even champions leagues despite all the haters (mostly Arsenal fans) saying that we are not good and that we will be fighting for 4th-5th place which they know inside that that is now Arsenal territory.
I'm not saying we are going to win this league in dominating fashion this year. We might struggle in some matches, but then again if you look at last season at the beginning we also struggled more so than this season. Sure Chelsea is strong and I have said that they are the favorites since preseason began, but Man U will of course be battling them for the top spot. As I said someone will step up and carry on the role and legacy of the players that have left the team as they always have. Whether that is Rooney Berba Fletcher or even Anderson is still too soon in the season to tell.
I will however agree with the fact that Nani is not good and that he has such a long way to go before he can be anywhere near the winger he is hyped to be.
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On September 23 2009 17:58 Surrealistic wrote:
Um, you obviously didn't watch West Ham v Liverpool.
Unless you're implying Tottenham will finish 2nd (rofl).
Liverpool have four players that are likely to score in any given game. I fucking hate Liverpool more than anything, but they're playing really well. West Ham always give the top teams trouble. They're a top 10/top8 side.
On September 23 2009 23:51 Klogon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 23 2009 15:10 Fzero wrote:
Of course they'll challenge. No one can score on them but the best teams in the world. That doesn't mean they're a title winning team though. Simple fact is Arsenal and City will be battling Man United for 3rd-5th this year. Umm if you win every single game against the smaller teams and lose every game versus the Big 4, you'll probably still win the league. United will get 2nd at worst. It'll be Chelsea and United fighting for the title.
I just think that United will drop more points than you're realizing. Yes they got 6/6 against the toughest opponents at home, but they still have to play those games away. They have to play TONS of games this year and they're not going to be helped at all by the fact that their bench is really really weak this year. Like Liverpool, they're really bargaining on one or two players staying healthy all season. I just can't see United winning anything serious this year. I'll give you they have a chance to take one of the minor league cups, but I still think they won't.
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MURICA15980 Posts
Annnd that is where we will agree to disagree =D
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Norway28908 Posts
well i mean no team is likely to win cl or pl.. you can say barcelona isnt gonna win cl and you're most likely correct, you can say chelsea won't win pl and you're most likely correct, even though they're both favourites but there are so many competitors that nobody is close to 50%
although pl is prolly something like 40% chelsea 25% united liverpool arsenal city sharing 35% ;p
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Goal and assist from Totti tonight again. Football bonjwa FTW!
They shouldn't have played the game, though. The pitch resembled a swimming pool more than a football pitch.
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On September 24 2009 01:41 kroko wrote:j/k + Show Spoiler +I read on other forum that some1 calculated that inclouding extra time + citys goal, they played 1second too much when Owen scored -_-..
lol
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@kidd: Van Nistelrooy and Rooney were not exactly mere prospects when they joined utd either. That would be like saying Benzema wasn't very well known when he signed for madrid this summer.
and yea Drone is right. PL is pretty exciting this year with the big 4, city and spurs all averaging over 2 goals a game atm. Villa's mean defence is also keeping them up there and everton are a roller coaster. So it's still really hard to guess the league table in may. And the CL requires your team to not only be good but lucky in the draws and in ref decisions tbh.
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On paper, ManU's squad is pretty bad imo, especially compared to Chelseas. But the group has been together for years and years, and Sir Alex is probably the best manager in the world. Like it or not, Old Trafford is a fortress and these factors combined with a good start will probably see United to a second or third place this year. But I doubt they'll get first, and they'll probably start to lose steam in the near future.
The other more exciting thing imo is Barca and Real Madrid. Both have been absolutely stomping on their opposition, and they're probably the favorites for the CL. Ibrahimovic and Ronaldo are both back to their scintillating best and have been scoring left and right atm. Messi's past two games have been absolutely phenomenal. November 29 is gonna be marked on my calender!
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