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Ramiel
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States1220 Posts
June 24 2011 18:22 GMT
#13061
Im pretty sure that noble items are not destroyed when you are podded... also what i mean to say is: if you are buying this with aur- then where is the item coming from? it is being puffed into thin air from ccp
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abominare
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1216 Posts
June 24 2011 18:47 GMT
#13062
On June 25 2011 03:22 Ramiel wrote:
Im pretty sure that noble items are not destroyed when you are podded... also what i mean to say is: if you are buying this with aur- then where is the item coming from? it is being puffed into thin air from ccp



Ill let you in on a secret, we're playing an internet spaceship game none of this and i mean none of this exists.

I seriously doubt if they add spaceships to the market they would be forever, to state otherwise would be unfounded. Clothes last forever because seriously who cares about a monocle?

The eve economy is certainly large enough to stomach the rare Au ship added into the game.
ain
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany786 Posts
June 24 2011 18:48 GMT
#13063
On June 25 2011 02:42 hagon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 02:03 ain wrote:
On June 25 2011 01:41 Soap wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

The change is essentially cosmetic, that is: instead of buying and then selling game time for ingame money to buy stuff, you just buy stuff. All this mess derives from the idea that microtransactions = eve will become a facebook game.

yes but plex does not allow you to buy anything a normal player cannot. If MT trading allows you to but things that only aur can purchase- that is better than anything in game- then i am gong to have a problem.


[image loading]

We can buy aurum with ISK anyway.

It has been established before that there is more to it than that, maybe you go back and read Firebolt's posts again.


I really don't see that it has been established. See the two quotes from the "leaked" CCP document I posted before. Also, if I fit T2 fit a battle ship it is most likely a superior ship to a T1 fitted battleship. I have achieved superiority by having more capital. If I decide that I don't want to wait 12 months to reach a certain amount of SP and purchase a character from the character bazaar: I have achieved superiority by having more capital.

Missed the point, the point being that the change from PLEX to AUR is quite different and not just cosmetic as Soap tried to point out.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34503 Posts
June 24 2011 18:53 GMT
#13064
On June 25 2011 03:47 abominare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 03:22 Ramiel wrote:
Im pretty sure that noble items are not destroyed when you are podded... also what i mean to say is: if you are buying this with aur- then where is the item coming from? it is being puffed into thin air from ccp



Ill let you in on a secret, we're playing an internet spaceship game none of this and i mean none of this exists.

I seriously doubt if they add spaceships to the market they would be forever, to state otherwise would be unfounded. Clothes last forever because seriously who cares about a monocle?

The eve economy is certainly large enough to stomach the rare Au ship added into the game.

Some people see this and think 'lol it's just pixels'.

Some people see EVE as a whole second universe sandbox. This whole AURUM thing is going against this mentality and people aren't happy.
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TurpinOS
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 18:57:43
June 24 2011 18:57 GMT
#13065
you guys realize that theres absolutely no difference between plex and aurum (or the items bought with aurum) right ?
http://eve.znaor.hr/pimpmydomi/
Soap
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Brazil1546 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 19:39:48
June 24 2011 19:22 GMT
#13066
On June 25 2011 03:48 ain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 02:42 hagon wrote:
On June 25 2011 02:03 ain wrote:
On June 25 2011 01:41 Soap wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

The change is essentially cosmetic, that is: instead of buying and then selling game time for ingame money to buy stuff, you just buy stuff. All this mess derives from the idea that microtransactions = eve will become a facebook game.

yes but plex does not allow you to buy anything a normal player cannot. If MT trading allows you to but things that only aur can purchase- that is better than anything in game- then i am gong to have a problem.


[image loading]

We can buy aurum with ISK anyway.

It has been established before that there is more to it than that, maybe you go back and read Firebolt's posts again.


I really don't see that it has been established. See the two quotes from the "leaked" CCP document I posted before. Also, if I fit T2 fit a battle ship it is most likely a superior ship to a T1 fitted battleship. I have achieved superiority by having more capital. If I decide that I don't want to wait 12 months to reach a certain amount of SP and purchase a character from the character bazaar: I have achieved superiority by having more capital.

Missed the point, the point being that the change from PLEX to AUR is quite different and not just cosmetic as Soap tried to point out.


I even put a picture. Let's try with an example:

Say I want to buy a Mach. I buy $xx in PLEX and sell them ingame to buy the ship.
Now that Mach is available at the Noble Exchange. I buy the ship with $xx.

There's no difference except it's less troublesome.

What do you think, some magnate is going to buy a fleet of officer fit pirate BS and break the game? He already can do it through PLEX. It would only change at all if CCP royally screws the pricing, changing the ISK/$ ratio and causing PLEX to skyrocket. That is fixed by raising the prices, and judging by those lol-worthy "articles" on CCP's greed, they would be most pleased to do it.

edit: for clarity.
abominare
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1216 Posts
June 24 2011 19:22 GMT
#13067
On June 25 2011 03:57 TurpinOS wrote:
you guys realize that theres absolutely no difference between plex and aurum (or the items bought with aurum) right ?


Of course, but its funny to watch things like the jita protest and the eve forums erupt because lets be honest the vast majority of eve has difficulty breathing without their mouths open
ain
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany786 Posts
June 24 2011 19:40 GMT
#13068
On June 25 2011 04:22 Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 03:48 ain wrote:
On June 25 2011 02:42 hagon wrote:
On June 25 2011 02:03 ain wrote:
On June 25 2011 01:41 Soap wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

The change is essentially cosmetic, that is: instead of buying and then selling game time for ingame money to buy stuff, you just buy stuff. All this mess derives from the idea that microtransactions = eve will become a facebook game.

yes but plex does not allow you to buy anything a normal player cannot. If MT trading allows you to but things that only aur can purchase- that is better than anything in game- then i am gong to have a problem.


[image loading]

We can buy aurum with ISK anyway.

It has been established before that there is more to it than that, maybe you go back and read Firebolt's posts again.


I really don't see that it has been established. See the two quotes from the "leaked" CCP document I posted before. Also, if I fit T2 fit a battle ship it is most likely a superior ship to a T1 fitted battleship. I have achieved superiority by having more capital. If I decide that I don't want to wait 12 months to reach a certain amount of SP and purchase a character from the character bazaar: I have achieved superiority by having more capital.

Missed the point, the point being that the change from PLEX to AUR is quite different and not just cosmetic as Soap tried to point out.


I even put a picture. Let's try with an example:

Say I want to buy a Mach. I buy $xx in PLEX and sell them ingame to buy the ship.
Now that Mach is available at the Noble Exchange. I buy the ship with $xx.

There's no difference except it's less troublesome.

What do you think, some magnate is going to buy a fleet of officer fit pirate BS and break the game? He already can do it through PLEX. It would only change at all if CCP royally screws the pricing, changing the ISK/$ ratio and causing PLEX prices to skyrocket. That is fixed by raising the prices, and judging by those lol-worthy "articles" on CCP's greed, they would be most pleased to do it.


It doesn't matter whether it would break the economy or not.
It does infringe on the game principle EVE is based on in that it destroys the sandbox.
This is not a desireable direction of the game's development for a lot of people.
TurpinOS
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1223 Posts
June 24 2011 19:42 GMT
#13069
On June 25 2011 04:40 ain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 04:22 Soap wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:48 ain wrote:
On June 25 2011 02:42 hagon wrote:
On June 25 2011 02:03 ain wrote:
On June 25 2011 01:41 Soap wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

The change is essentially cosmetic, that is: instead of buying and then selling game time for ingame money to buy stuff, you just buy stuff. All this mess derives from the idea that microtransactions = eve will become a facebook game.

yes but plex does not allow you to buy anything a normal player cannot. If MT trading allows you to but things that only aur can purchase- that is better than anything in game- then i am gong to have a problem.


[image loading]

We can buy aurum with ISK anyway.

It has been established before that there is more to it than that, maybe you go back and read Firebolt's posts again.


I really don't see that it has been established. See the two quotes from the "leaked" CCP document I posted before. Also, if I fit T2 fit a battle ship it is most likely a superior ship to a T1 fitted battleship. I have achieved superiority by having more capital. If I decide that I don't want to wait 12 months to reach a certain amount of SP and purchase a character from the character bazaar: I have achieved superiority by having more capital.

Missed the point, the point being that the change from PLEX to AUR is quite different and not just cosmetic as Soap tried to point out.


I even put a picture. Let's try with an example:

Say I want to buy a Mach. I buy $xx in PLEX and sell them ingame to buy the ship.
Now that Mach is available at the Noble Exchange. I buy the ship with $xx.

There's no difference except it's less troublesome.

What do you think, some magnate is going to buy a fleet of officer fit pirate BS and break the game? He already can do it through PLEX. It would only change at all if CCP royally screws the pricing, changing the ISK/$ ratio and causing PLEX prices to skyrocket. That is fixed by raising the prices, and judging by those lol-worthy "articles" on CCP's greed, they would be most pleased to do it.


It doesn't matter whether it would break the economy or not.
It does infringe on the game principle EVE is based on in that it destroys the sandbox.
This is not a desireable direction of the game's development for a lot of people.


plex breaks sandbox, you complain of plex ?

http://eve.znaor.hr/pimpmydomi/
ain
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany786 Posts
June 24 2011 19:48 GMT
#13070
On June 25 2011 04:42 TurpinOS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 04:40 ain wrote:
On June 25 2011 04:22 Soap wrote:
On June 25 2011 03:48 ain wrote:
On June 25 2011 02:42 hagon wrote:
On June 25 2011 02:03 ain wrote:
On June 25 2011 01:41 Soap wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

The change is essentially cosmetic, that is: instead of buying and then selling game time for ingame money to buy stuff, you just buy stuff. All this mess derives from the idea that microtransactions = eve will become a facebook game.

yes but plex does not allow you to buy anything a normal player cannot. If MT trading allows you to but things that only aur can purchase- that is better than anything in game- then i am gong to have a problem.


[image loading]

We can buy aurum with ISK anyway.

It has been established before that there is more to it than that, maybe you go back and read Firebolt's posts again.


I really don't see that it has been established. See the two quotes from the "leaked" CCP document I posted before. Also, if I fit T2 fit a battle ship it is most likely a superior ship to a T1 fitted battleship. I have achieved superiority by having more capital. If I decide that I don't want to wait 12 months to reach a certain amount of SP and purchase a character from the character bazaar: I have achieved superiority by having more capital.

Missed the point, the point being that the change from PLEX to AUR is quite different and not just cosmetic as Soap tried to point out.


I even put a picture. Let's try with an example:

Say I want to buy a Mach. I buy $xx in PLEX and sell them ingame to buy the ship.
Now that Mach is available at the Noble Exchange. I buy the ship with $xx.

There's no difference except it's less troublesome.

What do you think, some magnate is going to buy a fleet of officer fit pirate BS and break the game? He already can do it through PLEX. It would only change at all if CCP royally screws the pricing, changing the ISK/$ ratio and causing PLEX prices to skyrocket. That is fixed by raising the prices, and judging by those lol-worthy "articles" on CCP's greed, they would be most pleased to do it.


It doesn't matter whether it would break the economy or not.
It does infringe on the game principle EVE is based on in that it destroys the sandbox.
This is not a desireable direction of the game's development for a lot of people.


plex breaks sandbox, you complain of plex ?



No it doesnt.
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
June 24 2011 19:50 GMT
#13071
plex does break the sandbox because it lets you exchange an out of game asset (gametime) for in game asset (isk)
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Deja Thoris
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa646 Posts
June 24 2011 19:53 GMT
#13072
On June 25 2011 02:44 Body_Shield wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 02:33 tofucake wrote:
I demand stupid clothes and monocles and implants on podmails.

DEMAND

Also the Clone Grade


My clone costs 45m ISK. *sad face*
Inzek
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Chile802 Posts
June 24 2011 20:07 GMT
#13073
On June 25 2011 03:57 TurpinOS wrote:
you guys realize that theres absolutely no difference between plex and aurum (or the items bought with aurum) right ?

there is... aurum price is fixed....
Stork FAN!!!
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
June 24 2011 20:14 GMT
#13074
Haha, here too? Zomgz I don't even completly understand what's going on.
Luppa <3
ain
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany786 Posts
June 24 2011 21:41 GMT
#13075
On June 25 2011 04:50 Antoine wrote:
plex does break the sandbox because it lets you exchange an out of game asset (gametime) for in game asset (isk)

Gametime doesn't allow you to leave the boundaries of the sandbox, though.
A Battleship out of thin air would.
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19208 Posts
June 24 2011 21:53 GMT
#13076
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html
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ain
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany786 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 22:03:03
June 24 2011 21:59 GMT
#13077
On June 25 2011 06:53 tofucake wrote:
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html

CCP already responded to at least some of the points:
+ Show Spoiler +
Dear concerned citizens of New Eden

This week has seen quite a controversy unfold. In almost the same instant as we deployed Incarna - which by the way is one of our more smooth and successful expansions, not to mention absolutely gorgeous - an internal newsletter with rather controversial topics addressed leaked out. To further compound the confusion there was a clear and rather large gap in virtual goods pricing expectation and reality with a large segment of the community. I‘m going to address both these issues right here.

Fearless

Fearless is one of our company values. It‘s also the name of an internal newsletter that has been designed and developed specifically to catalyze discussions on controversial topics. One of the biggest elephants in the room these days, not just for EVE but for the gaming industry as a whole, is virtual goods sales and microtransactions.

Therefore we dedicated an entire issue to exactly that topic. It‘s worth mentioning that the topic of the issue was "Greed is good?" as a way to ask a question that would then be debated back and forth and often exaggerated purposefully to draw contrasts and make points. The result of that is now widely available on the internet.

The opinions and views expressed in Fearless are just that; opinions and views. They are not CCP policy nor are they a reliable source of CCP views as a company. The employees who submitted articles to that newsletter did exactly what they were asked to do, write about theories and opinions from an exaggerated stand.

While it‘s perfectly fine to disagree and attack CCP over policies or actions we take, we think it‘s not cool how individuals that work here have been called out and dragged through the mud due to something they wrote in the internal company newsletter. Seriously, these people were doing their jobs and do not deserve the hate and shitstorm being pointed at them.

Pricing structure

People have been shocked by the price range in the NeX store, but you should remember that we are talking about clothes. Look at the clothes you are currently wearing in real life. Do you have any specific brands? Did you choose it because it was better quality than a no-name brand? Assume for a short while that you are wearing a pair of $1,000 jeans from some exclusive Japanese boutique shop. Why would you want to wear a pair of $1,000 jeans when you can get perfectly similar jeans for under $50? What do other people think about you when they see you wearing them? For some you will look like the sad culmination of vainness while others will admire you and think you are the coolest thing since sliced bread. Whichever it is, it is clear that by wearing clothes you are expressing yourself and that the price is one of the many dimensions that clothes possess to do that in addition to style and fit. You don't need to buy expensive clothes. In fact you don't need to buy any clothes. Whatever you choose to do reflects what you are and what you want others to think you are.

We will gradually introduce items at other price points, definitely lower and probably higher than what‘s in the store today. We hope you enjoy them and are as passionate about them as you are of the current items that are for sale.

I hope I‘ve addressed your concerns and cleared up a lot of the issues you‘re having. We‘ll continue monitoring the forums and other communications channels and pick up and reply if there are concerns not covered by this blog.

Thanks,

Arnar Hrafn Gylfason

Senior Producer of EVE Online

http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=932
abominare
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1216 Posts
June 24 2011 22:00 GMT
#13078
On June 25 2011 06:53 tofucake wrote:
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html


I read the whole thing for some god awful reason.

The writer thinks hes much more clever than he really is, and is in dozens of ways absolutely and completely wrong and falls in the same fallacies so much of the community has allowed themselves to fall in.

In other news colt sells an extensive line of brain implants and implant applicators that the writer should look into.
Regretful
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden91 Posts
June 24 2011 22:28 GMT
#13079
http://www.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&bid=913

"So this thing is vanity items only?

Yes. We will start out with a rather limited number of items initially, carefully measuring the demand and how it impacts the economy. As time progresses, we'll gradually introduce new items and revise our strategy. We've also discussed this issue in depth with the Council of Stellar Management and will both consult with them and keep them up to date every step of the way."

Well this clears up a lot. No battleships not created by players here boss!
I already tried that. "When you got blueflame helions in your mineral line you better drink your own piss because you're in trouble" - Moletrap "What the fu-fenixes!" - Day[9]
TurpinOS
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada1223 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-24 23:50:20
June 24 2011 23:48 GMT
#13080
On June 25 2011 05:07 Inzek wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 25 2011 03:57 TurpinOS wrote:
you guys realize that theres absolutely no difference between plex and aurum (or the items bought with aurum) right ?

there is... aurum price is fixed....


yes and no

it is fixed towards plex prices, so as long as ccp is not totally retarded with the Aurum price they put to buy the items, there wont be any problems.

On June 25 2011 06:53 tofucake wrote:
http://eve.beyondreality.se/NeXCQResponse.html


what the shit is that shit
http://eve.znaor.hr/pimpmydomi/
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