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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On May 25 2010 01:56 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2010 00:14 motbob wrote:
I'm gonna start a daily report of anything interesting that happens in EVE trading!
Days 1-3
Total assets: 240m isk
Total Liabilities: 135m isk (owed to Liquid Inc. or members of Liquid Inc.)
Wallet isk: 20m
Things are going well. On Friday, I installed the game with a sense of foreboding (this was the game that had ruined my life, after all) and created a 14 day trial account. After 30 minutes struggling with EVE's UI, I got in contact with Liquid Inc. and received some starting capital to begin trading. I tried getting into a new market, Caldari BPOs, but this turned out to be a disaster, since the market for Caldari BPOs is very weak outside of Caldari space. It will be a long time before I can sell the BPOs that I purchased (though when I do, they will be sold at a considerable profit.)
On Saturday I decided that waiting for revo would be counterproductive (apparently he hasn't logged in in a month) and tried my old password on my old account. It worked. I clone jumped to Jita, undocked ready to trade like a motherfucker, lagged out, and got podded because I forgot that Gentlemen's Club is (probably) always wardecced. Oops.
I got on an alt and started training trade skills. There aren't too many of those, and I should be done within a week.
Reech had 40 mil on him, and I used most of that to buy Caldari BPOs, which, again, I'm going to be selling far into the future because they sell so slowly. What I did was buy four BPOs of every Caldari frig, and put those BPOs up for sale in Dodixie, Ourslaert, Rens, and Amarr -- the four biggest trade hubs outside of Caldari space (I think.) From then on it was all about playing the .01 game... my competitor in Dodixie was so pissed at me constantly undercutting him that he bought out all of my BPOs. Success! One less hub to have to visit.
Meanwhile, I secured additional funding to pursue lucrative contract deals. Some dumbass sold 2 researched Caldari cruiser BPOs at below their NPC price, and I was able to make a quick 40 mil (although half of that went to my financier.) Another idiot sold a faction MWD for 15 mil below Jita price, and I was lucky enough to be in the region where it was being sold.
With the funding from those two deals, I decided that the time was right to get back into The Trade Route. I can't fully describe The Route because it's so incredibly lucrative and brainless that every noob player in EVE would get on it if I made it public. Suffice it to say that it involves an easy-to-move, popular item (2-30 sales per day per region), a reliable supplier, 2-9m isk per sale, and 12 regions that I can easily access to sell to. The scary thing is that it used to be much more lucrative... one year ago, most sales were at around 9m profit per... now, the average is about 3m per.
Right now I am kind of annoyed with my situation. My Minmatar alt cannot fly a frigate that a) has enough cap to get to >60 AU stargates in one shot and b) has respectable agility, which is really really important for getting through low-sec with 50m worth of cargo, which I do a lot. As my character's skills increase, this problem will likely subside, whether it's by me researching cap skills or a different race's frigate skill. I miss my Caldari Navy Hookbill, which had seemingly infinite agility and all the cap space I needed.
I feel like the best solution would be to pull Reech out of corp for the summer. However, that is not my decision to make... although I do have some say in the matter now that I'm paying for the character. The game time ran out for him on Sunday, and I ponied up.
Things are looking good. Look for much shorter reports in the future. Sir you need a rifter.
No. The Rifter has worse maneuverability than my Probe, and is more likely to be shot at in low-sec IMO. Top priority for me is getting into warp ASAP without getting pointed.
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EvE is evil...and eats your life more than about anything. Saying this I use to run a 0.0 major corp.
Also if it didn't lag it wouldn't be eve
oh yes, assets come out to be a total of 10 to 20b with about 2.5 to 3b in cash
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On May 25 2010 02:13 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2010 01:56 Jayme wrote:On May 25 2010 00:14 motbob wrote:
I'm gonna start a daily report of anything interesting that happens in EVE trading!
Days 1-3
Total assets: 240m isk
Total Liabilities: 135m isk (owed to Liquid Inc. or members of Liquid Inc.)
Wallet isk: 20m
Things are going well. On Friday, I installed the game with a sense of foreboding (this was the game that had ruined my life, after all) and created a 14 day trial account. After 30 minutes struggling with EVE's UI, I got in contact with Liquid Inc. and received some starting capital to begin trading. I tried getting into a new market, Caldari BPOs, but this turned out to be a disaster, since the market for Caldari BPOs is very weak outside of Caldari space. It will be a long time before I can sell the BPOs that I purchased (though when I do, they will be sold at a considerable profit.)
On Saturday I decided that waiting for revo would be counterproductive (apparently he hasn't logged in in a month) and tried my old password on my old account. It worked. I clone jumped to Jita, undocked ready to trade like a motherfucker, lagged out, and got podded because I forgot that Gentlemen's Club is (probably) always wardecced. Oops.
I got on an alt and started training trade skills. There aren't too many of those, and I should be done within a week.
Reech had 40 mil on him, and I used most of that to buy Caldari BPOs, which, again, I'm going to be selling far into the future because they sell so slowly. What I did was buy four BPOs of every Caldari frig, and put those BPOs up for sale in Dodixie, Ourslaert, Rens, and Amarr -- the four biggest trade hubs outside of Caldari space (I think.) From then on it was all about playing the .01 game... my competitor in Dodixie was so pissed at me constantly undercutting him that he bought out all of my BPOs. Success! One less hub to have to visit.
Meanwhile, I secured additional funding to pursue lucrative contract deals. Some dumbass sold 2 researched Caldari cruiser BPOs at below their NPC price, and I was able to make a quick 40 mil (although half of that went to my financier.) Another idiot sold a faction MWD for 15 mil below Jita price, and I was lucky enough to be in the region where it was being sold.
With the funding from those two deals, I decided that the time was right to get back into The Trade Route. I can't fully describe The Route because it's so incredibly lucrative and brainless that every noob player in EVE would get on it if I made it public. Suffice it to say that it involves an easy-to-move, popular item (2-30 sales per day per region), a reliable supplier, 2-9m isk per sale, and 12 regions that I can easily access to sell to. The scary thing is that it used to be much more lucrative... one year ago, most sales were at around 9m profit per... now, the average is about 3m per.
Right now I am kind of annoyed with my situation. My Minmatar alt cannot fly a frigate that a) has enough cap to get to >60 AU stargates in one shot and b) has respectable agility, which is really really important for getting through low-sec with 50m worth of cargo, which I do a lot. As my character's skills increase, this problem will likely subside, whether it's by me researching cap skills or a different race's frigate skill. I miss my Caldari Navy Hookbill, which had seemingly infinite agility and all the cap space I needed.
I feel like the best solution would be to pull Reech out of corp for the summer. However, that is not my decision to make... although I do have some say in the matter now that I'm paying for the character. The game time ran out for him on Sunday, and I ponied up.
Things are looking good. Look for much shorter reports in the future. Sir you need a rifter. No. The Rifter has worse maneuverability than my Probe, and is more likely to be shot at in low-sec IMO. Top priority for me is getting into warp ASAP without getting pointed.
Even with Nanos?
I don't think I've ever been caught in a rifter unless I was smartbombed.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On May 25 2010 02:39 Jayme wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2010 02:13 motbob wrote:On May 25 2010 01:56 Jayme wrote:On May 25 2010 00:14 motbob wrote:
I'm gonna start a daily report of anything interesting that happens in EVE trading!
Days 1-3
Total assets: 240m isk
Total Liabilities: 135m isk (owed to Liquid Inc. or members of Liquid Inc.)
Wallet isk: 20m
Things are going well. On Friday, I installed the game with a sense of foreboding (this was the game that had ruined my life, after all) and created a 14 day trial account. After 30 minutes struggling with EVE's UI, I got in contact with Liquid Inc. and received some starting capital to begin trading. I tried getting into a new market, Caldari BPOs, but this turned out to be a disaster, since the market for Caldari BPOs is very weak outside of Caldari space. It will be a long time before I can sell the BPOs that I purchased (though when I do, they will be sold at a considerable profit.)
On Saturday I decided that waiting for revo would be counterproductive (apparently he hasn't logged in in a month) and tried my old password on my old account. It worked. I clone jumped to Jita, undocked ready to trade like a motherfucker, lagged out, and got podded because I forgot that Gentlemen's Club is (probably) always wardecced. Oops.
I got on an alt and started training trade skills. There aren't too many of those, and I should be done within a week.
Reech had 40 mil on him, and I used most of that to buy Caldari BPOs, which, again, I'm going to be selling far into the future because they sell so slowly. What I did was buy four BPOs of every Caldari frig, and put those BPOs up for sale in Dodixie, Ourslaert, Rens, and Amarr -- the four biggest trade hubs outside of Caldari space (I think.) From then on it was all about playing the .01 game... my competitor in Dodixie was so pissed at me constantly undercutting him that he bought out all of my BPOs. Success! One less hub to have to visit.
Meanwhile, I secured additional funding to pursue lucrative contract deals. Some dumbass sold 2 researched Caldari cruiser BPOs at below their NPC price, and I was able to make a quick 40 mil (although half of that went to my financier.) Another idiot sold a faction MWD for 15 mil below Jita price, and I was lucky enough to be in the region where it was being sold.
With the funding from those two deals, I decided that the time was right to get back into The Trade Route. I can't fully describe The Route because it's so incredibly lucrative and brainless that every noob player in EVE would get on it if I made it public. Suffice it to say that it involves an easy-to-move, popular item (2-30 sales per day per region), a reliable supplier, 2-9m isk per sale, and 12 regions that I can easily access to sell to. The scary thing is that it used to be much more lucrative... one year ago, most sales were at around 9m profit per... now, the average is about 3m per.
Right now I am kind of annoyed with my situation. My Minmatar alt cannot fly a frigate that a) has enough cap to get to >60 AU stargates in one shot and b) has respectable agility, which is really really important for getting through low-sec with 50m worth of cargo, which I do a lot. As my character's skills increase, this problem will likely subside, whether it's by me researching cap skills or a different race's frigate skill. I miss my Caldari Navy Hookbill, which had seemingly infinite agility and all the cap space I needed.
I feel like the best solution would be to pull Reech out of corp for the summer. However, that is not my decision to make... although I do have some say in the matter now that I'm paying for the character. The game time ran out for him on Sunday, and I ponied up.
Things are looking good. Look for much shorter reports in the future. Sir you need a rifter. No. The Rifter has worse maneuverability than my Probe, and is more likely to be shot at in low-sec IMO. Top priority for me is getting into warp ASAP without getting pointed. Even with Nanos? I don't think I've ever been caught in a rifter unless I was smartbombed.
Thank you for bringing to my attention the fact that I do not know how inertia works. The base Rifter is indeed faster than the base Probe, and it has an extra low slot so I can add another inertial dampener or whatever they're called (nanos increase speed as well, which I don't need). However, I still think that Rifters are a more high profile target than Vigils, which have identical acceleration and low slots. Thus, I'm going to switch to a Vigil.
P.S. Looking over the Rifter's stats, it needs a nerf, seriously. Why would you fly any other frig PvP?
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On May 25 2010 02:54 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2010 02:39 Jayme wrote:On May 25 2010 02:13 motbob wrote:On May 25 2010 01:56 Jayme wrote:On May 25 2010 00:14 motbob wrote:
I'm gonna start a daily report of anything interesting that happens in EVE trading!
Days 1-3
Total assets: 240m isk
Total Liabilities: 135m isk (owed to Liquid Inc. or members of Liquid Inc.)
Wallet isk: 20m
Things are going well. On Friday, I installed the game with a sense of foreboding (this was the game that had ruined my life, after all) and created a 14 day trial account. After 30 minutes struggling with EVE's UI, I got in contact with Liquid Inc. and received some starting capital to begin trading. I tried getting into a new market, Caldari BPOs, but this turned out to be a disaster, since the market for Caldari BPOs is very weak outside of Caldari space. It will be a long time before I can sell the BPOs that I purchased (though when I do, they will be sold at a considerable profit.)
On Saturday I decided that waiting for revo would be counterproductive (apparently he hasn't logged in in a month) and tried my old password on my old account. It worked. I clone jumped to Jita, undocked ready to trade like a motherfucker, lagged out, and got podded because I forgot that Gentlemen's Club is (probably) always wardecced. Oops.
I got on an alt and started training trade skills. There aren't too many of those, and I should be done within a week.
Reech had 40 mil on him, and I used most of that to buy Caldari BPOs, which, again, I'm going to be selling far into the future because they sell so slowly. What I did was buy four BPOs of every Caldari frig, and put those BPOs up for sale in Dodixie, Ourslaert, Rens, and Amarr -- the four biggest trade hubs outside of Caldari space (I think.) From then on it was all about playing the .01 game... my competitor in Dodixie was so pissed at me constantly undercutting him that he bought out all of my BPOs. Success! One less hub to have to visit.
Meanwhile, I secured additional funding to pursue lucrative contract deals. Some dumbass sold 2 researched Caldari cruiser BPOs at below their NPC price, and I was able to make a quick 40 mil (although half of that went to my financier.) Another idiot sold a faction MWD for 15 mil below Jita price, and I was lucky enough to be in the region where it was being sold.
With the funding from those two deals, I decided that the time was right to get back into The Trade Route. I can't fully describe The Route because it's so incredibly lucrative and brainless that every noob player in EVE would get on it if I made it public. Suffice it to say that it involves an easy-to-move, popular item (2-30 sales per day per region), a reliable supplier, 2-9m isk per sale, and 12 regions that I can easily access to sell to. The scary thing is that it used to be much more lucrative... one year ago, most sales were at around 9m profit per... now, the average is about 3m per.
Right now I am kind of annoyed with my situation. My Minmatar alt cannot fly a frigate that a) has enough cap to get to >60 AU stargates in one shot and b) has respectable agility, which is really really important for getting through low-sec with 50m worth of cargo, which I do a lot. As my character's skills increase, this problem will likely subside, whether it's by me researching cap skills or a different race's frigate skill. I miss my Caldari Navy Hookbill, which had seemingly infinite agility and all the cap space I needed.
I feel like the best solution would be to pull Reech out of corp for the summer. However, that is not my decision to make... although I do have some say in the matter now that I'm paying for the character. The game time ran out for him on Sunday, and I ponied up.
Things are looking good. Look for much shorter reports in the future. Sir you need a rifter. No. The Rifter has worse maneuverability than my Probe, and is more likely to be shot at in low-sec IMO. Top priority for me is getting into warp ASAP without getting pointed. Even with Nanos? I don't think I've ever been caught in a rifter unless I was smartbombed. Thank you for bringing to my attention the fact that I do not know how inertia works. The base Rifter is indeed faster than the base Probe, and it has an extra low slot so I can add another inertial dampener or whatever they're called (nanos increase speed as well, which I don't need). However, I still think that Rifters are a more high profile target than Vigils, which have identical acceleration and low slots. Thus, I'm going to switch to a Vigil. P.S. Looking over the Rifter's stats, it needs a nerf, seriously. Why would you fly any other frig PvP?
The issue with the PvP prowess of a Rifter has been brought up many times before and CCP is very reluctant to touch it.
The reason is simply...if you take it away there is really no other frigate in the game you'd really want to fly in a PvP situation that gives newer players an actual weapon to use against people.
The tech 2 200mm AC Rifter can kill cruisers. No other frigate can do that.
I think it's a pretty damn good entrance ship for newbs. Total fitting costs is probably something like 2-3mil Isk and even the poorest of the poor can afford that.
Nerf that and I don't think you'd really see any tech 1 frigate.
Honestly I think it's more because the other tech 1 frigates are just awful when you consider PvP. The Rifter has the right amount of everything to make it work that other tech 1 frigates just do not have.
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Don't nerf the Rifter, buff the other frigs. That's what I think CCP needs to do. I think it's hilarious that after 3 expansions and almost 2 years since I last played, this damn little frig is still the end all be all of the frigate class.
That alone is, imo, one of the reasons that people still see EVE as unreachable. If every new player had the possibility to fly a frig that could compete with the Rifter without having to deviate from his racial ships it would help the new player base feel more useful.
My god do I hate that little ship. Those suckers destroy Blaster platforms and that's what I used to fly.
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you talking about cruiser sized? cause honestly i cant see a blaster cruiser dieing to a rifter unless the pilot and the fit were retarded (which, addmittedly, 95% of eve players are)
blaster platforms are mostly gallente ships, cruiser and above can always fit an armortank, web, scram, mwd and cap booster, and have 50m3 dronebays, so i have no idea how someone could manage to die to a rifter in that
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Rifter dies to:
rupture,vexor,arbitrator,stabber,moa(sick tank),thorax,maller(close call),exequorcor oh whatever you call that(if properly fit - small guns - and piloted) and properly fit caracal probably forgot some others too.
While the rifter is an awesome ship and doesn't die to lolfit eagles(ask vil lol) it's not some uber ship that bitchslaps ships which are bigger than it.
It really shines when piloted against inty pilots since retards really shine when fitting inties.
Btw pretty much everyship is awesome go watch the Frigank series.
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i think a moa too might die to a rifter if you dont fit a neut (which too many people do). but definately not many properly fit pvp cruisers will die to it. all of the rifter hype material comes from killing carebears/lolfits (like a certain terribly fit eagle :D).
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Moa should win. Any smallgun Moa is going to eat the rifter. If you are fly lse/invul/scram/mwd it might be close if he is ab fit, but your 3 drones should eat away at him pretty good. With scram and web I think you can a rifter fairly easy in a moa.
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On May 25 2010 01:53 TheLittleOne wrote:Hey guys! I have a good friend who is searching for a new active corporation as his old one stopped playing pvp. Do you think there is any chance somebody with: 11,461,638 SP, skilled to drake, missiles and shields (He also is a very nice guy!  had a chance to join you?
Have him join SCBW channel. Is he from TL aswell?
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On May 25 2010 09:12 ShoreT wrote:
Moa should win. Any smallgun Moa is going to eat the rifter. If you are fly lse/invul/scram/mwd it might be close if he is ab fit, but your 3 drones should eat away at him pretty good. With scram and web I think you can a rifter fairly easy in a moa.
3 light drones wont do anything against a rifter. you need a neut to turn off his ab/tank. if you have scram/web he still kills you (eventually) if he has ab. i know this cause i actually killed an eagle and a moa in a rifter, and a moa in a crow (rocket crow, at point blank range, no ab, moa even had scram/web and a nos), just cause they didnt have a neut.
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On May 25 2010 09:29 WiljushkA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2010 09:12 ShoreT wrote:
Moa should win. Any smallgun Moa is going to eat the rifter. If you are fly lse/invul/scram/mwd it might be close if he is ab fit, but your 3 drones should eat away at him pretty good. With scram and web I think you can a rifter fairly easy in a moa. 3 light drones wont do anything against a rifter. you need a neut to turn off his ab/tank. if you have scram/web he still kills you (eventually) if he has ab. i know this cause i actually killed an eagle and a moa in a rifter, and a moa in a crow (rocket crow, at point blank range, no ab, moa even had scram/web and a nos), just cause they didnt have a neut.
I fly smallguns, neut and dual LSE. Any frig dies pretty easy, I'm sure drams can ab away if they need too. Works okay against other cruisers.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
Day 4
Total assets: 258m isk
Total Liabilities: 135m isk
Wallet isk: 124m
I sold off a lot of my shit today. Only one hub is left to manage in the Great Caldari BPO Fiasco. I sold a Stabber BPO in jita for 17m profit after babysitting it all afternoon... I don't think I'll be doing that again. The Route is going to be tough enough to manage without having to be in Jita multiple times each day.
Contracts went well. I made 10m off of some idiot selling things he could have sold off at the market. Somebody payed me 1.5m to bring him an item 3 jumps.
Tomorrow I am going to have to make an important decision: whether or not to pull Reech out of corp.
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Well, Revo, Rosa, Vil, Yul and to a lesser extent myself (Gordon) and Kizu poured quite a significant amount of ISK into that toon.
Revo (when he's around) and me and vil use him as a logi alt in fleets pretty frequently. We should probably have some kind of chat about it with everyone throwing in their two cents.
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On May 25 2010 12:04 motbob wrote:
Day 4
Total assets: 258m isk
Total Liabilities: 135m isk
Wallet isk: 124m
I sold off a lot of my shit today. Only one hub is left to manage in the Great Caldari BPO Fiasco. I sold a Stabber BPO in jita for 17m profit after babysitting it all afternoon... I don't think I'll be doing that again. The Route is going to be tough enough to manage without having to be in Jita multiple times each day.
Contracts went well. I made 10m off of some idiot selling things he could have sold off at the market. Somebody payed me 1.5m to bring him an item 3 jumps.
Tomorrow I am going to have to make an important decision: whether or not to pull Reech out of corp.
Then how are you going to answer all my questions?  Unless you stay in the scbw channel. BTW it's Lucid4
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On May 25 2010 00:14 motbob wrote:
I'm gonna start a daily report of anything interesting that happens in EVE trading!
Hola there. I'm a newbie carebear currently outside of TL corp, and have a full time jita alt doing the 0.01 thing once a day. (more on weekends) If anyone needs someone to tend orders, I think I can be of help.
Moving bpo and books do appear to provide very good margins, but I kinda wonder about their scalability and have been lazy on that front. Perhaps someone could give pointers on profiting off contracts without spending eons of time.
I think the thing with trading is that it is still subject to time limit, and the 20mil/hr for the average l4 missioner with no capital or effort rule is kinda tough to beat consistently. Once you get into 40~60mil/hr of a invested character, one really need to work a good plan or big capital to beat it. I suppose it is easier with large scale investment in out of game information infrastructure (lp conversion rate spreadsheets, automatic production cost tracking, private networked price exchange) but that is just too much for an individual player....
<--- still working out how to make reasonable amounts of money
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Seeding markets where alliances will base an attack out of is typically pretty lucrative too provided you don't get blown up in the process of bringing the goods there.
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@SWPIGWANG and pretty much anyone else looking to make hilarious amounts of money
manufacturing rigs will pretty much do it. you need to do a bit of market reasearch, and how manufacture works, and you need optimally researched bpcs (or bpos) and 3 weeks of skill training. and some starting capital, not more than 200-300 hundred mil.
but when you do start making them and learn how to do it well, its an unprecedented source of isk. for instance, i only did it for 2 months last year, and its been paying for my pvp and subscription for all my accounts since then (probabaly around 18 months worth of sub total).
lol, i just remembered i still have that manufacturing toon for sale, if someone is interested message me in eve (account Viljushkar) or pm here.
@apturan
you cant leave corp with reech until rev gives you permission to. first just rev, and then all of the directors were paying for and using that account most of the time you were gone, and you sold it legit, so i think we have a say about that.
if rev isnt back withint the week, or if i dont talk to him on msn about it, lets say you can buy it back from the corp. ill talk to the other direcs about it.
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On May 25 2010 19:11 WiljushkA wrote:
@SWPIGWANG and pretty much anyone else looking to make hilarious amounts of money
manufacturing rigs will pretty much do it. you need to do a bit of market reasearch, and how manufacture works, and you need optimally researched bpcs (or bpos) and 3 weeks of skill training. and some starting capital, not more than 200-300 hundred mil.
but when you do start making them and learn how to do it well, its an unprecedented source of isk. for instance, i only did it for 2 months last year, and its been paying for my pvp and subscription for all my accounts since then (probabaly around 18 months worth of sub total).
The market has dried up a bit, but it is still profitable. Right after the rig changes it was nuts though. I've moved on to the log on only to change skills style and am producing scorch M (7d9h/batch). Still making a couple hundred mil a month though.
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