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s_side
United States700 Posts
On January 13 2011 20:34 Jayme wrote: Kizu is slowly mastering the art of being an asshole. You do good work bro, you do good work. He's spent too much time around Yulwei and myself. vOv It could have used a few ~~~~~~, though. Just sayin'~ | ||
Firebolt145
Lalalaland34501 Posts
On January 14 2011 04:31 happyft wrote: A Basic Guide to Fitting Been noticing some ... special fits on our roams. This wiki is pretty good, please read it. I wrote this up so we don't have to keep explaining how to fit your ship to every new person who signs up... I'm still a really new pilot, but let me see if I can distill some of that into something more compact. The type of ship you want to fly is determined by what kind of role you should be playing. There are a few basic roles for low-sec roams: DPS, tackle, e-war, and remote repair. There are flavors of each, but I'll get into that later. Generally you want to specialize in one of these 4 roles -- because bonuses compound, a fleet's efficiency is optimized when a single ship is geared towards a single role. (i.e. Putting gyrostabilizers on a blackbird would result in both crappy DPS and crappy e-war) In order to fit your ship to a specific role, you need to understand what kind of mods go into which slots, in order to know what the tradeoffs are in selecting one mod over another. Highs are for DPS and RR -- weapons, energy transfer, and shield/armor repair. Here, your trade-offs are your ability to hit small targets (tracking/explosion velocity and size), range, and DPS. + Show Spoiler [Fitting a Drake] + You're trying to decide between fitting heavy assaults, assaults, and heavies on your Drake. Fitting HAMs will max your DPS, but greatly reduce your range with pretty suboptimal ability to hit frigates. AMLs will minimize your DPS, provide you decent range, but maximizes your ability to hit frigates. HMLs will give you decent DPS, max your range, but with poor effectiveness against frigates. Ammo also has similar kinds of trade-offs between range, DPS and sometimes tracking. What combination of everything you decide upon depends on what kind of fleet you're in, and what your FC wants -- always ask if you're not sure. Mediums are for tackle, shield tank, cap booster, ewar, and propulsion -- webs, warp disruptor/scramblers, microwarpdrive/afterburner, target painter/ecm/remote sensor dampener, shield extender/hardener/booster, and cap boosters. Your trade-offs are your EHP, ewar and tackle. (I consider propulsion to be mandatory in any fit) + Show Spoiler [Fitting a Caracal] + You have 4 mids to work with after using 1 for MWD. If you're solo pvp'ing or playing heavy tackle (as opposed to frigates which play light tackle), you'll have to use a web and scram, and put 2 large shield extenders for the remaining 2 slots. If you're running a HAM Caracal (apparently you can get ~400dps on that?), you'll want to put shield hardeners like invulnerability fields instead of tackles (you won't have enough power grid to add on more shield extenders), so you can maximize your EHP, so you can stay in the fight as long as possible to keep up your DPS when you're primaried. + Show Spoiler [Misc] + I know I know, why would you fly a pvp Caracal, ok shut up I get it =P Lows are for armor and hull tank, speed, and DPS -- armor plates/hardeners, bulkhead/damage control units, nanofiber/overdrive, and gyros/ballistic control units/etc. Your trade-offs are speed, tank and DPS. + Show Spoiler [Fitting a Rupture] + This is pretty straightforward ... if you want to kite someone, you need 2 nanofibers for speed and agility. If you're armor-tanking (in the case of the rupture, this has a lot more EHP than the shield-tank variant), you fit armor plates. And generally you want at least 2 gyros, and with 2 tracking enhancers as well to maximize your DPS. + Show Spoiler + There are also low mods that increase your grid at the cost of CPU, CPU at the cost of grid, and increase your shields at the cap and vice versa, and a few other variants. You use these in pretty specific kinds of custom builds, or pve. Lastly, I really want to emphasize these last few points, because I see at least one person making one of these mistakes on every single roam for the past few days. Fit cruiser-sized modules on cruisers, frigate-sized modules on frigates, and battleship-sized modules on battleships. So do not put 4x 200 mm armor plates on a Rupture. Do not fit standard missile launchers on a Caracal. Do not fit medium shield extenders on a cruiser. (Yes, I have seen you guys do all of these) Always try to use the highest meta you can reasonably afford. There's no reason you should be flying with the worst mods, when higher metas provide you with more DPS/range and cost less cap/grid/cpu (except t2s). Seriously. Don't fly with meta 0s. Generally meta 3s are good. Don't leave slots unused, and use all your grid & cpu. If you've got free lows, but no grid/cpu, then put nanofibers/overdrives there. If you've got free mids, but only CPU leftover, then put in a shield hardener, a target painter, something. If you've got free highs but only CPU, then put a salvager, or a small nos/neut. Always have some kind of tank, especially if you're a tackler. Consider how much DPS is coming your way, and whether you can last 30-45 seconds of it. If you're in a rupture/caracal tackling a Cane, you'll need 15k EHP at the minimum (15k/500 dps = 30 seconds). If you've only got 1k EHP in a frigate, you're not tackling anything, because you'll be dead in 5-10 seconds. Okay! This was longer than I expected. But hope this helps. (waits for the flames from the vets, haha) All irrelevant, just consider this brilliant picture from caellum: ![[image loading]](http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/2031/warvessel.png) Just had to show this to the world sorry | ||
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pahndah
1193 Posts
On January 14 2011 04:50 s_side wrote: He's spent too much time around Yulwei and myself. vOv It could have used a few ~~~~~~, though. Just sayin'~ I can't be expected to remember everyone that quit while still in the small pond of EVE pvp. Its like he stopped learning to ride a bicycle at the training wheel stage. | ||
tofucake
Hyrule19193 Posts
On January 14 2011 06:19 pahndah wrote: I have better advice. Fit whatever the hell you want and if/when you die, let Kwark blow up your replacement, fine you, and tell you what's wrong. I fixed that for you. That'll be 5m isk. | ||
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Weken
United Kingdom580 Posts
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tofucake
Hyrule19193 Posts
If not, sucks to be you, and that's 20m for not telling KwarK you need access to the EVE board. | ||
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Weken
United Kingdom580 Posts
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + JANUARY 11 ON LERNING WITH CALLUM IS ALL ABOUT FLEET, HOW DO U JOIN, HOW DO U LEAVE ![[image loading]](http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/1364/fleet.png) The secret topic in the secret forum shall be used for questions about my tutorials. | ||
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Belgo
United States721 Posts
On January 14 2011 06:32 Weken wrote: What is this EVE board you speak of? here is a hint. Look in the bulletins | ||
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Weken
United Kingdom580 Posts
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tofucake
Hyrule19193 Posts
On January 14 2011 06:32 Weken wrote: What is this EVE board you speak of? 20m fine. | ||
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Jayme
United States5866 Posts
On January 14 2011 06:32 Weken wrote: What is this EVE board you speak of? Its okay bro not even I have access to it, I have to get around to PMing Kwark | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34501 Posts
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KwarK
United States43611 Posts
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TurpinOS
Canada1223 Posts
MANLY BUSINESS NEUT GEDDON ^ DO TELL | ||
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Firebolt145
Lalalaland34501 Posts
edit: and to think i was just about to log off and sleep when i heard 'TENGU' on ts | ||
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KwarK
United States43611 Posts
KwarK "LINKS ARE UP, TACKLE, YOU'VE GOT NO SIG, HE CAN'T DO SHIT, I'M OMW" People are congregating from all over heimatar and I'm desperately trying to get Pangell to load up while the guy keeps tanking and undocking. They bring in a machariel and a tempest and we lose a cruicifier and a rifter holding the point while we bring shit on. Both corps are bringing every asset they can to the field and the stupid tengu pilot is brawling at 0 on the station. Johnny grabs a geddon with only neuts in its highslots (god knows why he had that lying around) and canes, drakes and blackbirds appear from nowhere. The tengu docks and then undocks again and everyone goes in for the bump on different sides and hits it with everything we have. It's tanking pretty well and we suddenly realise he's buffer fit, as a tengu. His hardeners are neuted off and a second later he crashes. As his ship explodes the mach and pest deaggress and try and redock while a new guy points the unfortunate tengu pod. His one faction mod drops and we loot him while his corpse is blown into space. In other war news, the war opened with them probing me down in a mission. Corp members know the relevant details, the rest will be revealed if it comes up later. I lost a drake and 22m after insurance and they docked up and logged as our fleet appeared seconds later. There was then an epic fail in eifer which I don't really wanna talk about. We then found two WT harbs and a slicer which I owned in a nanodrake. Pulled them off station, fucked them up solo and then fleet cleaned up as they tried to gtfo. We killed a harb putting us back in the lead. We went on a small roam to rescue VoV on which we casually killed a full t2 myrm and then some ninja tried to fuck with a corp member so we killed his rupture and cane. It was only after retiring to emol that we killed the tengu. A good day. | ||
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Inzek
Chile802 Posts
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Valenius
United Kingdom1266 Posts
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Marradron
Netherlands1586 Posts
 new warstorys. Poor tengus. You should put a scorecount in the corp description. And throw a party if you get 10 Tengu kills. If they get scared and drop the dec you should redec them just to screw them over. keep up the good work. greetings from Ess0 | ||
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