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419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
October 07 2015 14:26 GMT
#39381
what did people honestly expect would happen lol
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KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42803 Posts
October 07 2015 14:27 GMT
#39382
On October 07 2015 23:26 419 wrote:
what did people honestly expect would happen lol

this
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-07 14:35:32
October 07 2015 14:34 GMT
#39383
Apart from my obviously biased feeling on the hatchery guys who got screwed, I'm really pissed at KP who basically match fixed and screwed him team(s) over for no good reason. Now two mostly innocent really good at teams are getting screwed and will probably mostly fold into pl or never be able to fly in any kind of tourney with out bullshit witch hunting. That was one of the weakest pl teams in years and camel/ warlords were the best two teams, but he decided to increase their odds with 0 need and fucked then all over.



I mean cheating is bad, but stupid cheating is something else entirely.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Buckyman
Profile Joined May 2014
1364 Posts
October 07 2015 14:37 GMT
#39384
tldr; tournament rigged, PL given the win even if they lose.
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42803 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-07 14:50:34
October 07 2015 14:45 GMT
#39385
I'm somewhat dubious about the claim that it was even cheating. I thought they were found guilty of the poor sportsmanship rule which hit Hydra/Outbreak when they didn't try their hardest vs each other. They didn't DDoS anyone or use any banned modules or disconnect opponents or have spies on rival's teams undermine them. They just fucked around in a match against each other.

The AT is like a race with two sprinters who can do 4 minute miles, a bunch of people who could maybe do a 15 minute mile if it was downhill and you rolled them and one guy who could do a 12 minute mile and thinks he's good because that's slightly faster than the others. The two sprinters win all the races against the others with ease but do cartwheels and run backwards in their race against each other, finishing in 8 minutes, because they just don't give a fuck. The 12 minute mile guy is therefore proclaimed to be the fastest.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
CatharsisUT
Profile Joined March 2011
United States487 Posts
October 07 2015 15:16 GMT
#39386
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=350264

Made it pretty clear that preparing together is OK, but once the preparation is over each team should be working toward their own victory.

Kwark, I think your sprinter summary is right, but I think CCP's response would be "yeah, that's true, and the culmination of our tournament should be seeing which one of them can hit 3:59, not watching them cruise to a 7 minute mile since they already know they're sharing the prizes."
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
October 07 2015 15:23 GMT
#39387
On October 07 2015 23:45 KwarK wrote:
I'm somewhat dubious about the claim that it was even cheating. I thought they were found guilty of the poor sportsmanship rule which hit Hydra/Outbreak when they didn't try their hardest vs each other. They didn't DDoS anyone or use any banned modules or disconnect opponents or have spies on rival's teams undermine them. They just fucked around in a match against each other.

The AT is like a race with two sprinters who can do 4 minute miles, a bunch of people who could maybe do a 15 minute mile if it was downhill and you rolled them and one guy who could do a 12 minute mile and thinks he's good because that's slightly faster than the others. The two sprinters win all the races against the others with ease but do cartwheels and run backwards in their race against each other, finishing in 8 minutes, because they just don't give a fuck. The 12 minute mile guy is therefore proclaimed to be the fastest.

The problem is Kadesh made one match a easy mode match in order to make it harder for that 12 minute mile to catch up to the two frontruners. I don't think that it effected the end results, but I do think it was 100% not okay. I feel really bad for everyone who got screwed, but in the end I don't think ccp had a choice but to come down hard.

Kadesh cheated in that one match, which for all intents and purposes means that both teams cheated and thus the hammer was dropped. And it was stupid because that pl team was one of the weaker ones they've fielded, and wouldn't have been able to beat either team even if they took that seriously.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42803 Posts
October 07 2015 15:27 GMT
#39388
I'm confused, how exactly was it made more difficult for PL to beat either of the two superior teams?
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
October 07 2015 15:42 GMT
#39389
On October 08 2015 00:27 KwarK wrote:
I'm confused, how exactly was it made more difficult for PL to beat either of the two superior teams?

They colluded to not take the match seriously in order to hide strats that they might need to beat pl later. It turns out that they almost certainly would have won either way, hence it being stupid.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
KwarK
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States42803 Posts
October 07 2015 15:56 GMT
#39390
On October 08 2015 00:42 Jaaaaasper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2015 00:27 KwarK wrote:
I'm confused, how exactly was it made more difficult for PL to beat either of the two superior teams?

They colluded to not take the match seriously in order to hide strats that they might need to beat pl later. It turns out that they almost certainly would have won either way, hence it being stupid.

Is there any evidence of this? I thought KP said that the reason they often brought mirrors is that they were picking from the same pool of compositions and bans exist.
ModeratorThe angels have the phone box
CatharsisUT
Profile Joined March 2011
United States487 Posts
October 07 2015 16:30 GMT
#39391
http://failheap-challenge.com/showthread.php?20287-Don-t-let-your-dreams-be-dreams

If you succeed with both teams while advancing through brackets, sooner or later teams will fight each other. Because of said secrecy and huge value of surprise factor of new setups, you don't want to show any metabreakers or waste your ingame/human resources on match vs each other - just to have better chance to win the whole thing, with one or both teams. Typical collision of interests:

- use your best setups vs your hardest opponent (your second team knows all details about you, thus if you fight it for real it is the hardest enemy indeed). This way you have better chance to advance for your team and worse chance to win later for both teams
- do semi-controlled environment where both teams can win but without showing anything new, hence not hurting your overall chances to win tournament

If you're good friends, I am pretty sure that you will decide to do latter. It just appears that our team + our friends are the only teams who are capable of meeting each other in later stages of tournament. Any other couple of good scrim partners, if they want to win tournament, are likely to settle the deal the same way we did.
Rengas
Profile Joined July 2012
United States169 Posts
October 11 2015 22:57 GMT
#39392
Honestly I don't know why hydra and camels just didn't try to win on their own without being each others A and B team. This whole prizes maximizing scheme really just hurts the guys who showed up for practice everyday and expected everyone else to play their hearts out.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
October 12 2015 03:01 GMT
#39393
hustlers gonna hustle
?
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
October 12 2015 13:01 GMT
#39394
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6061332#post6061332

lmao ripped straight from ISIS propaganda
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Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
October 14 2015 00:21 GMT
#39395
big ccp hardware upgrades
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
October 15 2015 16:34 GMT
#39396
https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/3ov6p8/dev_blog_exploring_the_character_bazaar_skill/

ITT people upset about eve being pay2win, when it has always been pay2win
?
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
October 15 2015 17:00 GMT
#39397
Buy up poorly skilled high SP characters, quick!
ModeratorGood content always wins.
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
October 15 2015 17:24 GMT
#39398
seriously though anything that makes actual ship flying content more accessible to new players is a ++++ in my book
?
Jaaaaasper
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
United States10225 Posts
October 16 2015 02:32 GMT
#39399
I'd prefer it be tied fully to isk, maybe seeker/drifter could be involved, but I don't see this as a bad thing as its aimed to be heavily favored too new charecters.
Hey do you want to hear a joke? Chinese production value. | I thought he had a aegis- Ayesee | When did 7ing mad last have a good game, 2012?
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
October 19 2015 20:31 GMT
#39400
*CCP sees the entirety of the character bazaar volume filter through one IP address

I just want to feel like this was their motivation for change
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
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