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On November 12 2010 07:19 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On November 11 2010 03:00 Insanious wrote:I've made 500mil in the 5days my account has been active  , u can go vs me. (I'm a trader so ya...) day 1: 10 mil (+10mil) day 2: 30 mil (+20 mil) day 3: 80 mil (+50 mil) day 4: 250mil (+170mil) day 5: 500mil (+250mil) not 100% sure what i'm worth today... but i can add everything together and find out (value of isk on 2 accounts, outstanding contracts, and my assets) Edit: wow, i haven't really been keeping track of my assets... Kwark <3 thank you for all your help  never would of made that much without you. Please explain your methods of making isk. If you're treating your outstanding contracts as assets you might be overestimating your net worth.
No, just counting my cash, basically I could only make this much isk due to a loan and the corp.
1) Buy Ammo
2) Ship to emol
3) get ammo turned into faction ammo
4) get faction ammo sent to Jita
5) Sell ammo in Jita
Depending on:
1) Price of ammo when i bought it
2) The price of ammo in jita
3) The market volume for that day
Been average prices and volume are : 763isk for buying the ammo, 930isk sale price, selling 1mil ammo/day
I've been making between 150 -> 250isk/day since I stated until today  When someone crashed the RF Fusion M ammo market and the EMP M ammo market... now I have 300mil ammo sitting around that wont sell for a while.
Looking for new things to invest in now, most likely some sort of buy mods in jita ship and sell in rens but we will see.
Sold all my ammo that will sell for now, so at 650mil isk, 300mil isk in ammo sitting in jita, and 1.7bil isk in contracts, long term investments, and other goods at rens.
Edit: the value of the contracts, long term investments and other goods at rens, if all of it magically sold today right now would be 2.6bil isk... but of course that wont happen and will be spread out across a longer period of time (especially stuff like me buying something that has been appreciating in value and will sell during the next down turn which hopefully will be around 100,000isk/item... we will see)
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You took over what Kwark proposed before I had to take a break. I think it's funny that some of the guys are so shocked with the money you made when we were looking for someone to do what you did for well over a week.
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Soon you'll have more isk than me!
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Well the market is slowing down now... so hopefully it will pick back up soon and i can keep making isk. If not, I will have to find other ventures, but I had not completely taken the market share for RF ammo in Jita that I wanted to... Hopefully Jita ammo does what Rens ammo did, which is rebound in 12 hours. We will see.
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So... ever since new patch I've been getting disconnected every like 2mins. Anyone know how to fix this?
And there is no error or anything just says "disconnect from EVE" and restarts my client.
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On November 12 2010 07:43 Insanious wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2010 07:19 motbob wrote:On November 11 2010 03:00 Insanious wrote:I've made 500mil in the 5days my account has been active , u can go vs me. (I'm a trader so ya...) day 1: 10 mil (+10mil) day 2: 30 mil (+20 mil) day 3: 80 mil (+50 mil) day 4: 250mil (+170mil) day 5: 500mil (+250mil) not 100% sure what i'm worth today... but i can add everything together and find out (value of isk on 2 accounts, outstanding contracts, and my assets) Edit: wow, i haven't really been keeping track of my assets... Kwark <3 thank you for all your help never would of made that much without you. Please explain your methods of making isk. If you're treating your outstanding contracts as assets you might be overestimating your net worth. No, just counting my cash, basically I could only make this much isk due to a loan and the corp. 1) Buy Ammo 2) Ship to emol 3) get ammo turned into faction ammo 4) get faction ammo sent to Jita 5) Sell ammo in Jita Depending on: 1) Price of ammo when i bought it 2) The price of ammo in jita 3) The market volume for that day Been average prices and volume are : 763isk for buying the ammo, 930isk sale price, selling 1mil ammo/day I've been making between 150 -> 250isk/day since I stated until today When someone crashed the RF Fusion M ammo market and the EMP M ammo market... now I have 300mil ammo sitting around that wont sell for a while. Looking for new things to invest in now, most likely some sort of buy mods in jita ship and sell in rens but we will see. Sold all my ammo that will sell for now, so at 650mil isk, 300mil isk in ammo sitting in jita, and 1.7bil isk in contracts, long term investments, and other goods at rens. Edit: the value of the contracts, long term investments and other goods at rens, if all of it magically sold today right now would be 2.6bil isk... but of course that wont happen and will be spread out across a longer period of time (especially stuff like me buying something that has been appreciating in value and will sell during the next down turn which hopefully will be around 100,000isk/item... we will see)
On October 04 2010 16:21 KwarK wrote:
Notes on liquidity, competition and economies of scale.
Basically we're getting 2-3k/LP here which is awesome but the problem is actually converting that LP into isk. Because what we're doing at the moment is some kind of disorganised undercutting mess where we're all trying to sell fast because we've got literally billions trapped in assets that we want to free up but none of us can be assed to actually sit in a hub babysitting sell orders or going 25j to find a better hub or any of that shit. While we all know we're getting rich from LP we're not actually getting rich, in fact what I'm doing at the moment is pumping what liquidity I have into creating more ammo with LP for more hypothetical value and while I'm theoretically very rich I have no actual isk.
This is a problem.
So, our specific issues.
Selling inefficiently. All getting the same ammo and flooding some hubs while ignoring others.
Competing with each other when our .01ing means everyone loses more.
Not doing a great job of competing because we're all too busy doing interesting things to pay too much attention to our orders.
The result is a liquidity crisis which in turn results in missing out on huge value when we eventually crack and either start using LP for ourselves like getting implants for personal use (less than 1k/lp) or selling to buy orders. This is an observable, quantifiable problem and it is one that we as a corp can solve through utilising our considerable liquidity and powers of centralisation.
My proposal is simple, that the corp acts as a middle man. That way a single person interested in doing in game trading could manage the sales without such a pressing need to convert assets into isk, without competition from himself and without disrupting the normal routine of members. By offering a rate (in the form of corp contract buy orders on LP items) significantly above the market buy orders but below the theoretical value of LP items there would be a method of quickly dumping LP and getting isk without the soul destroying feeling of selling to buy orders. With that many LP being spent it'd be worth whoever was doing this to provide continual, up to date data on the best items to make. Also the money would be staying in the corp.
We all know that our LP items are worth what we're selling them for, that's the going rate. The problem is simply that while they will eventually sell and we will eventually get our money we often simply cannot wait. We don't have the money lying around to play the long game so we are effectively paying richer players to do that waiting for us in exchange for short term shiny things. Well, if our corp was a player it'd be pretty rich and it's certainly in no real hurry to buy stuff. It's the perfect middle man.
Hmmm.... Use corp isk to give a single trading player the liquidity to manage our LP assets for mutual profit?
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I don't know what you are asking Kwark, but yes that's what happened and it was a pretty good idea, your pretty good idea. Insanious was just explaining the process to motbob.
On the other hand, I wouldn't call him a trader (yet) he is not playing the market he is just taking advantage of low production costs (thanks in part to the corp) so I'm sure someone will disagree with me but hes more of an Industrialist (manufacturer) getting half of his materials from Jita (regular ammo) and half from a steady supplier (corpmates LP).
I want to warn you thou Insanious don't expect to make as much money buying mods in Jita and selling them in Rens, in fact that is not a realistic trade route at all, for a number of reasons but we can discuss that in-game.
* () FTW
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I understand that I am simply taking advantage of a situation, but to not call me a trader is not fair. I got my starting isk from station trading, and do do station trading at jita for extra cash.
Yes I might not be a huge trader, but that is simply because my capital is locked up in other things (ammo, contracts, etc...) so my trading capital isn't like the 1b capital I use for ammo.
Since the ammo trade is slowing down, I will have more isk for trading purposes and less for the industrial side of the ammo trade.
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Used to play, not in awhile. If I downloaded the free 5 day trial, would someone re-introduce me to the game? I'd love to contribute. Was doing mining mostly when I played before.
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Download the client, make a 14day acc. Join SCBW and get hooked up with a 21day trial acc. Its all in the op!
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Well, it looks like Im currently getting camped in lowsec by some mean guys so while I was bored I figured I might just give an update on war to those that are not within our corp but that do follow the topic.
So our war agasint 300 people didnt happen because apparently the game limits corporations to dec'ing only 3 other corps so, it didnt really go as planned.
We still ended up dec'ing two corps, and a day later another corporation dec'd us. Being true diplomats and employing strenght only when absolutely in need, we decided to send some extorsion letters to our new war targets.
+ Show Spoiler +
Sir,
Are you bear irl ?
HI,
Me iz Caelum Terra and I spoke to u early, was very very fun and all. so u be lik ‘’oh I gueez dis is the letter of demands’’ and so I say ‘’yes u are very much correct’’
so then u ask me ‘’but why this war’’ so I explain. now imagine that like theres a guy, lets name this guy Dom Cobb, so this Dom guy is a very good thief, like very good, and hes good at stealing information from people, but the reason hes so good is because he steals these information from the mind of people so like, he goes in their dreams and take the information. so lets say that this guy Cobbs gets known for doing that and being very good but at the same time it makes him like researched by everyone like the police and stuff . now imagine that someone would come to see Cobb and tell him that if Cobb helps him he can give Cobb a life back and make people stop chasing him and all. so now the problem is that this time its not about stealing information from the dream its about putting an information there so its very much harder then the other thing but still Cobb is so good that he says yes, but its so hard that he gets help from people and even a little girl. So now just imagine that its hard and stuff, but theres also a problem because theres this other girl, lets call her Mal, and she is the wife of Cobb, but she is dead, or well you don’t really no what happened to her but, you think she is probably dead and he keeps her locked in his own dream. so then, when u do the mission, this girl Mal comes and decides to try to kill everyone so your only option is to follow her and kill her.
Now imagine that we are Cobb, and you are Mal, so now u no why we have to kill u, so now u say like, ‘’wow thank you caelum I understand everything now’’, and I say ‘’well no problem’’
so now u r like ‘’so what about the demand’’ and I answer ‘’well yes yes im coming to this’’
but first let me explain u this, so imagine if we just killed Mal, well then we wud need a new girlfriend so we would go and find one
so now let me explain, The Hatchery likes new girlfriend so if u dunt want to fite us just give us a bit of money, then we get a new gf (u see if you understand - girlfriend = new wartarget), so if u just fill our demands we stop with u and get new one u get it ?
so earlier we were havin a lil chat and then everything was funny and all but then you were like ‘’oh im very cool so ill be mean to them blablabla’’ but being mean is not cool so ill have to ask more from u so you don’t be our girlfriend anymore u no.
so like, since u be mean with Sergeant RL3 we ask for u to give us 2 claymores, cause u no he loves claymores a lot cuz they have plenty of blue and it’s a very beautiful color, then JP loves Nighthawks, but no one loves JP so we don’t ask for that but we also ask for 1 Bil isk cuz if we want a new girlfriend and well girlfriends always ask for money so we need to look rich so she loves us
so u get it like, give us that and we breakup and we happy cause we get new girlfriend and you happy cause we don’t beat u all the time okay ?
u be like ‘’wooooooa caelum that is so kind of you’’ well I know
Caelum Terra
Your friendly diplomat that’s in your backdoor
reprensenting
+ Show Spoiler +
Are u bear irl ?
To Anamnesis – whatevertherestofyournameis
so u be like ? who are you ?, well I am Caelum Terra and am the one that is responsible for the war for the hatchery u no.
so then u b well thatz gud but why u writing to us ?, well im writing to u cause u kno, yesterday we were all ‘’oh were the hatchery so lets dec anamnesis – whateveristherestofyourname’’
so now u say yourself ‘’yo wtf’’ and then I say to you ‘’well go check corp and see you at war with us’’, then u b like oh well ty Caelum Terra u are so kind for telling us well be at war with u
so now I tell myself, well I am so kind that I rellly don’t want u guyz to die to us during war so im gonna give u a super good solution so u don’t die all time. if u give me 2 bil by the next 24 hours I will be all kind and be like ‘’okay the hatchery lets not war the stupid anamnesis guys’’
but then u go, ‘’wow you are so kind’’, and I say ‘’yes I know thank you but now we haz a problem’’ cause one ur friend was all ‘’oh im very cool person ill go insult hatchery’’ but u no, we cant take that cause that’s not cool so we will now have to ask for 3 billion for war to stop, so then again u be sayin, wow that’s so not much ty caelum
but then, we no yu really might not be the fastest zergling in the control group so, well now let me jus explain what would b to happen if u were like ‘’oh oh oh were stupid lets not accept this super nice offer by the nice guy caelum’’
well if you were to do that then we would all form fleets and kill u guyz plenty of time and u would die and then you gonna have a problem cause you gonna be all mad cause you will lose the war, and as a great prophet said :
‘’On October 28 2010 10:57 baller wrote:
the best way 2 stop losing is 2 stop losing. and u do this by winning. like if u r really sad and upset from losing, all of ur anger and problems come from the losses. but instead, if ur winning, then u dont have 2 worry about these problems because when u win, u don't lose. and since u stop losing (bc ur winning), u don't get pissed anymore. ur welcome.’’
and then u be like ‘’wow thanks for that’’ but then u say hey nice guy caelum, how we gon win cause u no the prophet just said that not 2 lose u need to win, well u no to win you need to give us 3billion cause if u do that u don’t lose anymore ship cause we don’t war with you anymore so then you win
but then u just might be like really really dumb and say ‘’yo wtf weve got like 7 pilots and we got a pro killboard cause we use typhoons and shit and we have 3413243412341234 skillpoints and yeah we pro’’, but then I say to you, ‘’lolyounoob?’’ we have 500 rifters in our hangar and shit, u cant kill us man
so yeah send me 3 bil before tomorrow and we will stop the war we started against you okay good ?
okaythanksbye
Caelum Terra
Your friend neighbourhood Diplomat
We also docked a 3rd corp once we were able to.
Not much has happened though as of now, the last corp we dec'd were online ALL THE TIME, and since the war started we saw online one log on and he stayed docked. The corp that dec'd us came around when we had not much people online but havent showed any activity except that. The two other corps that we dec'd at first are simply not undocking at all.
No corps really wanted to fullfill your demand so not much i s really going on, we might just stop the decs on some and start new ones if nothing happens.
Id like to give out special props to the Duke of The Hatchery Wrathful Penguin who has been a true source of inspiration and will always be the best diplomat we had.
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So after a short roam to Branch via a WH I have learned three things about the space up there.
A) There are a bajillion belts/fully upgraded Anom systems that wiped out my D-scan everytime
B)There are many many hulks/rorquals/marauders/orcas/tengus carebearing like crazy
C)They all run away immediately when you enter local
We didn't find anything T_T
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Is factional warfare still alive in this game? I just got free-reactivation on my 31mil SP pilot and I have around 1.5 billion in data cores sitting around, Just pondering which direction I wanna go.
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On November 13 2010 10:07 TurpinOS wrote:Well, it looks like Im currently getting camped in lowsec by some mean guys so while I was bored I figured I might just give an update on war to those that are not within our corp but that do follow the topic. So our war agasint 300 people didnt happen because apparently the game limits corporations to dec'ing only 3 other corps so, it didnt really go as planned. We still ended up dec'ing two corps, and a day later another corporation dec'd us. Being true diplomats and employing strenght only when absolutely in need, we decided to send some extorsion letters to our new war targets. + Show Spoiler +
Sir,
Are you bear irl ?
HI,
Me iz Caelum Terra and I spoke to u early, was very very fun and all. so u be lik ‘’oh I gueez dis is the letter of demands’’ and so I say ‘’yes u are very much correct’’
so then u ask me ‘’but why this war’’ so I explain. now imagine that like theres a guy, lets name this guy Dom Cobb, so this Dom guy is a very good thief, like very good, and hes good at stealing information from people, but the reason hes so good is because he steals these information from the mind of people so like, he goes in their dreams and take the information. so lets say that this guy Cobbs gets known for doing that and being very good but at the same time it makes him like researched by everyone like the police and stuff . now imagine that someone would come to see Cobb and tell him that if Cobb helps him he can give Cobb a life back and make people stop chasing him and all. so now the problem is that this time its not about stealing information from the dream its about putting an information there so its very much harder then the other thing but still Cobb is so good that he says yes, but its so hard that he gets help from people and even a little girl. So now just imagine that its hard and stuff, but theres also a problem because theres this other girl, lets call her Mal, and she is the wife of Cobb, but she is dead, or well you don’t really no what happened to her but, you think she is probably dead and he keeps her locked in his own dream. so then, when u do the mission, this girl Mal comes and decides to try to kill everyone so your only option is to follow her and kill her.
Now imagine that we are Cobb, and you are Mal, so now u no why we have to kill u, so now u say like, ‘’wow thank you caelum I understand everything now’’, and I say ‘’well no problem’’
so now u r like ‘’so what about the demand’’ and I answer ‘’well yes yes im coming to this’’
but first let me explain u this, so imagine if we just killed Mal, well then we wud need a new girlfriend so we would go and find one
so now let me explain, The Hatchery likes new girlfriend so if u dunt want to fite us just give us a bit of money, then we get a new gf (u see if you understand - girlfriend = new wartarget), so if u just fill our demands we stop with u and get new one u get it ?
so earlier we were havin a lil chat and then everything was funny and all but then you were like ‘’oh im very cool so ill be mean to them blablabla’’ but being mean is not cool so ill have to ask more from u so you don’t be our girlfriend anymore u no.
so like, since u be mean with Sergeant RL3 we ask for u to give us 2 claymores, cause u no he loves claymores a lot cuz they have plenty of blue and it’s a very beautiful color, then JP loves Nighthawks, but no one loves JP so we don’t ask for that but we also ask for 1 Bil isk cuz if we want a new girlfriend and well girlfriends always ask for money so we need to look rich so she loves us
so u get it like, give us that and we breakup and we happy cause we get new girlfriend and you happy cause we don’t beat u all the time okay ?
u be like ‘’wooooooa caelum that is so kind of you’’ well I know
Caelum Terra
Your friendly diplomat that’s in your backdoor
reprensenting
Are u bear irl ?
To Anamnesis – whatevertherestofyournameis
so u be like ? who are you ?, well I am Caelum Terra and am the one that is responsible for the war for the hatchery u no.
so then u b well thatz gud but why u writing to us ?, well im writing to u cause u kno, yesterday we were all ‘’oh were the hatchery so lets dec anamnesis – whateveristherestofyourname’’
so now u say yourself ‘’yo wtf’’ and then I say to you ‘’well go check corp and see you at war with us’’, then u b like oh well ty Caelum Terra u are so kind for telling us well be at war with u
so now I tell myself, well I am so kind that I rellly don’t want u guyz to die to us during war so im gonna give u a super good solution so u don’t die all time. if u give me 2 bil by the next 24 hours I will be all kind and be like ‘’okay the hatchery lets not war the stupid anamnesis guys’’
but then u go, ‘’wow you are so kind’’, and I say ‘’yes I know thank you but now we haz a problem’’ cause one ur friend was all ‘’oh im very cool person ill go insult hatchery’’ but u no, we cant take that cause that’s not cool so we will now have to ask for 3 billion for war to stop, so then again u be sayin, wow that’s so not much ty caelum
but then, we no yu really might not be the fastest zergling in the control group so, well now let me jus explain what would b to happen if u were like ‘’oh oh oh were stupid lets not accept this super nice offer by the nice guy caelum’’
well if you were to do that then we would all form fleets and kill u guyz plenty of time and u would die and then you gonna have a problem cause you gonna be all mad cause you will lose the war, and as a great prophet said :
‘’On October 28 2010 10:57 baller wrote:
the best way 2 stop losing is 2 stop losing. and u do this by winning. like if u r really sad and upset from losing, all of ur anger and problems come from the losses. but instead, if ur winning, then u dont have 2 worry about these problems because when u win, u don't lose. and since u stop losing (bc ur winning), u don't get pissed anymore. ur welcome.’’
and then u be like ‘’wow thanks for that’’ but then u say hey nice guy caelum, how we gon win cause u no the prophet just said that not 2 lose u need to win, well u no to win you need to give us 3billion cause if u do that u don’t lose anymore ship cause we don’t war with you anymore so then you win
but then u just might be like really really dumb and say ‘’yo wtf weve got like 7 pilots and we got a pro killboard cause we use typhoons and shit and we have 3413243412341234 skillpoints and yeah we pro’’, but then I say to you, ‘’lolyounoob?’’ we have 500 rifters in our hangar and shit, u cant kill us man
so yeah send me 3 bil before tomorrow and we will stop the war we started against you okay good ?
okaythanksbye
Caelum Terra
Your friend neighbourhood Diplomat We also docked a 3rd corp once we were able to. Not much has happened though as of now, the last corp we dec'd were online ALL THE TIME, and since the war started we saw online one log on and he stayed docked. The corp that dec'd us came around when we had not much people online but havent showed any activity except that. The two other corps that we dec'd at first are simply not undocking at all. No corps really wanted to fullfill your demand so not much i s really going on, we might just stop the decs on some and start new ones if nothing happens. Id like to give out special props to the Duke of The Hatchery Wrathful Penguin who has been a true source of inspiration and will always be the best diplomat we had.
This is the tl;dr post of the century. I got about three sentences into the first mail. Absolutely atrocious porn.
For the love of Baby Jesus, save yourselves if you haven't subjected yourselves to this yet.
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thanks for the tip good sir
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lol that was one of the guy camping us with meancorp fleet the other night, guess its one of their alts. Good job :D
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War against Marsoc starts in 12 hours from this post (a bit less), they came into scbw and said they were going to bring on the fight. They are a 75 man corp and pretty much all of them are older players. They fly BS and have way more SP then with do.
With that said, I would like as many pilots as possible at the start of the war so we can show them what were all about and try to inflict as much damage as possible.
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So me and my buddy were like, yo dawg, let's go fly around low-sec.
We just moved our POS down out of Caldari space (we had some bad history with the Monsters / Flashy Red ) and into Gallente. He's like, oh this guy is in local, I had a 1v1 with him but he docked up as he got into hull. We can get him this time.
So, Zealot + Hurricane out to cause some pain. Granted I'm low SP so I'm not all T2'd out but getting there. Well, we found the Curse we wanted to kill.
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=8054650
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