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floi
Profile Joined July 2010
203 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 18:04:05
November 12 2013 17:53 GMT
#34221
On November 13 2013 01:47 rhiload wrote:
@ floi join turn left public channel and say your a TL dude. (since TL is a TL alt corp anyway..)

Sorry, what's the name of the channel? Can't find it..
-edit- ok, google helped me :D
Maxyim
Profile Joined March 2012
430 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 20:11:07
November 12 2013 19:55 GMT
#34222
On November 13 2013 02:34 Viceorvirtue wrote:
Ok, here's the tldr on the rlm changes: fuck you, train lasers. The rlm caracal will no longer be a viable solo ship and will be worthless in gangs half the time, not to mention any time it needs to swap ammo at all. New options for players are as fallows: Pulse omen, Pulse navy omen, Rail thorax, Rail navy exequer. Long term goal continues to be ishtar if you want to train into that afterwards.

Pulse omen/navy omen will probably be the new go to solo/small gang ship used in combination with ishtars. If you are currently stuck without laser skills but can fly a cerb then you can use standard light missile launchers to be semi viable until you cross train. If you have just trained into a caracal and have no other skills I apologize and refer you to the tldr of the rlm changes.


Training for T2 pulse lasers puts me 21 days out of the way to Ishtar, training for T2 railguns puts me 20d out of the way. Is it at all viable to go droneboat (Vexor > ?, unlocking Garde IIs first) while waiting for Ishtar / fitting skills to train? If not, why would I want pulse over rail? Looks like rail has a lot more range so may be safer for PvE, pulse seems like it will be more efficient for PvP, am I on the right track?
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
November 12 2013 20:22 GMT
#34223
rails are garbage either way pve or pvp. If you want to do PvE with gallente ships use drones.
Maxyim
Profile Joined March 2012
430 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 20:39:17
November 12 2013 20:38 GMT
#34224
On November 13 2013 05:22 Skilledblob wrote:
rails are garbage either way pve or pvp. If you want to do PvE with gallente ships use drones.


I want to do PvE only to the extent of experiencing content / having something to do while I am not PvPing. Would like to be able to PvP ASAP. If I have to go 21d out of my way to Ishtar for pulse I will do so, just want to make sure it makes sense. Also I do not care about gallente vs whatever.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
November 12 2013 20:45 GMT
#34225
On November 13 2013 05:38 Maxyim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2013 05:22 Skilledblob wrote:
rails are garbage either way pve or pvp. If you want to do PvE with gallente ships use drones.


I want to do PvE only to the extent of experiencing content / having something to do while I am not PvPing. Would like to be able to PvP ASAP. If I have to go 21d out of my way to Ishtar for pulse I will do so, just want to make sure it makes sense. Also I do not care about gallente vs whatever.


well how I see it is this, skilling into gunnery skills in the beginning will allow you to participate in pvp and pve content fairly quickly. Drones are imho a flavour of the month weapon system and I dare say the Ishtar is bound to be nerfed sooner rather than later this nerf is probably going to happen through a nerf to sentry drones. So with that said skilling medium and large pulse lasers gives you a very good PvE and PvP weapon system that has great ships in the Omen and its variations to go with it for pvp puposes. and I think lasers are also a stable choice for pve content.
0m3ga
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Serbia322 Posts
November 12 2013 21:22 GMT
#34226
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Don't you ever gf me back -Chessur
Maxyim
Profile Joined March 2012
430 Posts
November 12 2013 21:30 GMT
#34227
On November 13 2013 05:45 Skilledblob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2013 05:38 Maxyim wrote:
On November 13 2013 05:22 Skilledblob wrote:
rails are garbage either way pve or pvp. If you want to do PvE with gallente ships use drones.


I want to do PvE only to the extent of experiencing content / having something to do while I am not PvPing. Would like to be able to PvP ASAP. If I have to go 21d out of my way to Ishtar for pulse I will do so, just want to make sure it makes sense. Also I do not care about gallente vs whatever.


well how I see it is this, skilling into gunnery skills in the beginning will allow you to participate in pvp and pve content fairly quickly. Drones are imho a flavour of the month weapon system and I dare say the Ishtar is bound to be nerfed sooner rather than later this nerf is probably going to happen through a nerf to sentry drones. So with that said skilling medium and large pulse lasers gives you a very good PvE and PvP weapon system that has great ships in the Omen and its variations to go with it for pvp puposes. and I think lasers are also a stable choice for pve content.


Acknowledged, thanks.

Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
November 12 2013 21:52 GMT
#34228
Michael, I see the RLML thread has become just an amazing collection of posts
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
Vipsanius
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands708 Posts
November 12 2013 21:54 GMT
#34229
So Malcanis is actually interested in your findings, wonder if this is just for the argument or this actually shows how many data there really is...
Body_Shield
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada3368 Posts
November 12 2013 22:10 GMT
#34230
On November 13 2013 06:54 Vipsanius wrote:
So Malcanis is actually interested in your findings, wonder if this is just for the argument or this actually shows how many data there really is...

Kinda thinking Rise actually has no metrics at all, since several people have asked for them, and he hasn't posted anything on it for this entire time.
So, five-card stud, nothing wild... and the sky's the limit
jopirg
Profile Joined August 2010
United States81 Posts
November 12 2013 22:41 GMT
#34231
Didn't rails just get a big buff? I know they aren't as good as lasers but I thought they were at least usable now.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
November 12 2013 23:00 GMT
#34232
On November 13 2013 07:41 jopirg wrote:
Didn't rails just get a big buff? I know they aren't as good as lasers but I thought they were at least usable now.


usable yes but not as good or flexible as medium pulse
419
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Russian Federation3631 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 23:09:15
November 12 2013 23:08 GMT
#34233
I don't even care, tbh this was bound to happen ever since CCP hired mintchips for actual game design departments

also would anyone like to buy 6.6m minmatar FW LP
?
Warri
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany3208 Posts
November 12 2013 23:22 GMT
#34234
Jeez you guys should stop caring so much about a ded gaem.
On a similar note: dignitas drops its dota2 squad entirely. US scene best scene.
Skilledblob
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany3392 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-12 23:37:55
November 12 2013 23:37 GMT
#34235
well, good times for a fnatic fanboi like me
Omigawa
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1556 Posts
November 13 2013 01:50 GMT
#34236
Can someone give a good Pulse Omen fit that poors like me can start training for?
0m3ga
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Serbia322 Posts
November 13 2013 02:04 GMT
#34237
My ghetto omen, a cheaper version of the famous active kite nomen(requieres cheap genos to fit or a 1% implant.)

+ Show Spoiler +
[Omen, New Setup 1]
Internal Force Field Array I
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 800
Warp Disruptor II
Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I

Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M
Focused Medium Pulse Laser II, Scorch M

Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Energy Locus Coordinator I

Don't you ever gf me back -Chessur
Galdo
Profile Joined January 2012
United States338 Posts
November 13 2013 02:22 GMT
#34238
Isn't focused medium the smaller medium pulse laser?

You have such bad range with those.
0m3ga
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
Serbia322 Posts
November 13 2013 02:42 GMT
#34239
On November 13 2013 11:22 Galdo wrote:
Isn't focused medium the smaller medium pulse laser?

You have such bad range with those.


No, it's a smaller version of the heavy pulses. You can't fit heavy pulses due to fitting requierements.
Don't you ever gf me back -Chessur
Galdo
Profile Joined January 2012
United States338 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-13 02:47:15
November 13 2013 02:46 GMT
#34240
You have shit range with those, we always had to use an ACR back in shield battery days.
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