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maybe an unlinked one, definitely not a linked one flying properly | ||
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Johnny Business
Sweden1251 Posts
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3688514#post3688514 Prom kinda understands what will happen when these go on the field. | ||
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Lalalaland34483 Posts
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Johnny Business
Sweden1251 Posts
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Russian Federation3631 Posts
I don't really care as these will not ruin the current dunkmetagame with ishtar, cerb huginn gangs. first they came for the hurricanes... | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
A Hyena can easily go 5k at a moment's notice and the only real defense against it if the pilot isn't just approach-F1ing (a lot of them will be) is drones and highly-accurate long-range projection. Drones take time to do their work, no matter how untanked your frigate is, and these ships are likely to come in sets rather than as a solo complement to a fleet. Pretty much no ships have highly-accurate long-range projection. Zealots suck nowadays and don't hit that far out anyway. Oracles might hit them if the stars align, but that's not exactly a gameplan. Tornados and even Machariels lose so much damage and accuracy at these ranges that the Hyenas could survive multiple volleys. RLMs are really the way to go here, but the Cerb is the only ship capable of the range required. Johnny, you're kind of right that it won't change the face of Cerb-based PvP (but you're wrong about a single Cerb applying 200 DPS to a Hyena - that just isn't going to happen ever unless I've done something horribly wrong), but it will pretty much be the case that if there's a Hyena on the field, no other nano ships than the Cerb need apply for PvP because they are going to be hard countered. This change the EAFs is nice in spirit because these ships were terrible for so long, but it highlights the problems that EWAR causes with smaller groups. Making strong EWAR super accessible like this is just going to further shrink the solo and small-gang PvP gamespace. Forcing every small gang to bring a bunch of Keres is removing more gameplay than it's adding. | ||
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Skilledblob
Germany3392 Posts
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Johnny Business
Sweden1251 Posts
We all flew something better by the time they came for the canes and by the time they come for the cerbs we will be flying something better. And its not really trading. You get webbed for maybe 10 seconds then the hyena dies. | ||
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Ramiel
United States1220 Posts
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Johnny Business
Sweden1251 Posts
And no one is going to fit a fed navy web on a hyena. | ||
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DefMatrixUltra
Canada1992 Posts
These are easily accessible ships which basically hard-counter an entire playstyle (minus one ship, arguably two) because their numbers are out of proportion. That's just poorly thought out. | ||
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Impervious
Canada4172 Posts
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Viceorvirtue
United States273 Posts
Seriously though very few people are going to fly EAFs well. It would be the same if you could turn back time and explain what a pulse oracle does when they first made t3 bcs, or like pointing out that FW was going to be amazingly broken with t5 letting you get reduced lp store costs. It's going to be hell to deal with these things, however navy omens, caracals, and cerbs still can kill them if they don't understand the game. How many people do you fight actually understand the game anyway? Similarily people could just use nano pulse oracles but they don't because they are bad. Not saying EAFs aren't a concern, they're obviously going to be broken, just that it's not going to be the end of the world since people aren't going to use them optimally. | ||
KwarK
United States41979 Posts
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KwarK
United States41979 Posts
+ Show Spoiler [ab] + [Hyena, ab] Overdrive Injector System II Overdrive Injector System II Damage Control II Gistii A-Type 1MN Afterburner Medium Shield Extender II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I 150mm Light AutoCannon II 150mm Light AutoCannon II Automated Targeting Unit I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Small Core Defense Field Extender I Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Navigation NN-603 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link and have it go over 2k unheated with claymore links. Sig of 35 before the sig reduction it's getting in Rubicon. Tank of 8k. And we're allowed to use claymore links because fuck it, the claymore is more than fast enough because they're not going 2k because you have fucking hyenas on the field (which are unkillable because sig of 35). We can bring harbs back. We can use fucking moas if we want. Everything has changed. | ||
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Zavior
Finland753 Posts
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KwarK
United States41979 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + [Cyclone, slow nano] Reactor Control Unit II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Adaptive Invulnerability Field II X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400 Warp Disruptor II Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Inferno Heavy Missile Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Unstable Power Fluctuator I Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Valkyrie II x5 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Navigation NN-603 Zainou 'Snapshot' Heavy Missiles HM-703 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-903 Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1003 can also use ec-600s if you're feeling that way inclined. 268 missile dps with navies, 129 valk dps too, colossal tank, dual medium neut, agile longpointing platform. This little beauty can come out of the pyfa labs in a fleet with hyenas. + Show Spoiler [pretty next level] + [Algos, 10mn ab] Damage Control II Drone Damage Amplifier II Drone Damage Amplifier II 10MN Afterburner II Indirect Scanning Dampening Unit I, Targeting Range Dampening Script Indirect Scanning Dampening Unit I, Targeting Range Dampening Script Drone Link Augmentor I [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] [Empty High slot] Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Processor Overclocking Unit I Small Polycarbon Engine Housing I Hammerhead II x2 Hobgoblin II x3 Warrior II x5 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Navigation NN-603 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-703 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link 272 dps with near perfect application, sig of 41. It puts previously rejected ideas back on the table + Show Spoiler [bomen] + [Omen, beam] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II Fourier Transform Tracking Program Reactor Control Unit II Heat Sink II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large Shield Extender II Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard M Heavy Beam Laser II, Imperial Navy Standard M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Energy Metastasis Adjuster I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x5 Warrior II x3 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Navigation NN-603 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-703 Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Medium Energy Turret ME-803 Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-903 Eifyr and Co. 'Alchemist' Neurotoxin Recovery NR-1003 354 gun dps + 80 from warriors, good tracking This would be more than fast enough, has 244 gun dps (total of 292), a long point and a very legitimate tank. + Show Spoiler + [Moa, test] Nanofiber Internal Structure II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 200 Warp Disruptor II Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Tungsten Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Tungsten Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Tungsten Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Tungsten Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Tungsten Charge M Medium Ancillary Current Router I Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Medium Anti-Thermal Screen Reinforcer I Warrior II x3 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Navigation NN-603 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-703 Zainou 'Deadeye' Medium Hybrid Turret MH-803 Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-903 If you don't need snakes to fly an oracle anymore you can pull this little theoretical exercise out of the pyfa labs. Thanks to Chessur for the idea. Strong frentix go! + Show Spoiler + [Oracle, wait, edge? what do they even do?] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Damage Control II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Tracking Enhancer II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Large F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction Large Shield Extender II Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II Medium Energy Locus Coordinator II Medium Energy Metastasis Adjuster I Low-grade Edge Alpha Low-grade Edge Beta Low-grade Edge Gamma Low-grade Edge Delta Low-grade Edge Epsilon Low-grade Edge Omega Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-703 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-905 Inherent Implants 'Lancer' Large Energy Turret LE-1005 This has 80.4+12 range with 805 unheated dps. Eagle. + Show Spoiler + [Eagle, okay, that's an eage, you've gone too far] Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I Warp Disruptor II Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 150 Large Shield Extender II Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script Adaptive Invulnerability Field II 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M 200mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Hybrid Locus Coordinator II Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer II Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Navigation NN-603 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-703 Zainou 'Deadeye' Medium Hybrid Turret MH-803 Eifyr and Co. 'Gunslinger' Surgical Strike SS-903 487 unheated dps, 45+16km range with frentix, warp disruptor and a beastly tank. Cruise phoon + Show Spoiler [[Typhoon, slow nano] + Type-D Attenuation Signal Augmentation Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Nanofiber Internal Structure II Prototype 100MN Microwarpdrive I X-Large Ancillary Shield Booster, Navy Cap Booster 400 Warp Disruptor II Adaptive Invulnerability Field II Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile Heavy Unstable Power Fluctuator I Large Processor Overclocking Unit I Large Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Genolution Core Augmentation CA-1 Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2 Zainou 'Snapshot' Cruise Missiles CM-603 Eifyr and Co. 'Rogue' Evasive Maneuvering EM-703 Zor's Custom Navigation Hyper-Link Zainou 'Deadeye' Target Navigation Prediction TN-903 Zainou 'Deadeye' Rapid Launch RL-1003 1.9k/s unheated, 8.4s align time. 636 missile dps with precisions (with a 25% bonus to exp velocity and a rigor), 890 unheated dps with furies. With heated furies and valks we're hitting 1176 dps with just 3%s. Fly with hyenas and a vigil. | ||
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KwarK
United States41979 Posts
I want and expect that topic to be bumped with yeah, same bonuses seems legit. If CCP can be convinced they have to do a job but then told there is a shortcut where they can do said job using copy and paste they will do that. RHML phoons with hyenas. That is all. | ||
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Germany3392 Posts
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