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Channel ID: -50846844
Channel Name: Private Chat (alone)
Listener: Wrathful Penguins
Session started: 2013.08.28 19:34:45
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[ 2013.08.28 19:35:04 ] Wrathful Penguins > there is a geddon navy aggroing on undock
[ 2013.08.28 19:35:24 ] Wrathful Penguins > archon aggroed now
[ 2013.08.28 19:35:58 ] Wrathful Penguins > FLuX89
[ 2013.08.28 19:36:03 ] Wrathful Penguins > can you get eyes and drop dreads?
[ 2013.08.28 19:36:26 ] Quindaster > We will not do anything and help you anymore. I still didn't get isk for our redeemer.
[ 2013.08.28 19:36:37 ] Wrathful Penguins > we were not working together on that fleet
[ 2013.08.28 19:36:40 ] Wrathful Penguins > we are not allies
[ 2013.08.28 19:36:46 ] Wrathful Penguins > but there is an aggressed archon
[ 2013.08.28 19:36:53 ] Wrathful Penguins > and I will work together with you on that if you are willing
[ 2013.08.28 19:37:23 ] Wrathful Penguins > we can work together sometimes and not be blue every time
[ 2013.08.28 19:38:18 ] Wrathful Penguins > you can do your own fleet killing archon if you like, I will just watch
[ 2013.08.28 19:38:19 ] Quindaster > You attacked our redeemer and you helped tests with it, so, now we will kill you till we will recover our loses. And leave our jome system, you give only entertaiment for Tests and everything what you
[ 2013.08.28 19:38:21 ] Wrathful Penguins > but there is an aggressed archon
[ 2013.08.28 19:38:31 ] Wrathful Penguins > lol
[ 2013.08.28 19:38:34 ] Wrathful Penguins > FA is not allied with TEST
[ 2013.08.28 19:38:35 ] Quindaster > do is useless, cos you just give fun for tests
[ 2013.08.28 19:38:39 ] Wrathful Penguins > but we are not allied with you either
[ 2013.08.28 19:38:42 ] Wrathful Penguins > we just get fights
[ 2013.08.28 19:39:01 ] Wrathful Penguins > I attacked your redeemer because you put a redeemer fleet on a field with my fleet
[ 2013.08.28 19:39:05 ] Wrathful Penguins > of course I attacked it lol
[ 2013.08.28 19:39:09 ] Quindaster > Well, we have some fair rules, and you not follow them
[ 2013.08.28 19:39:25 ] Wrathful Penguins > if you want me to follow rules let me know what they are before you land on grid with me
[ 2013.08.28 19:39:37 ] Wrathful Penguins > no good to tell me the rules after
[ 2013.08.28 19:39:46 ] Quindaster > You cannot kill us, we not tests, so all your shit attack was useles and you just help for tests.
[ 2013.08.28 19:40:18 ] Quindaster > Cos if we want, we simply could kill you, and you could shoot redeemer only because we didn't shot you.
[ 2013.08.28 19:40:18 ] Wrathful Penguins > we have no desire to help you
[ 2013.08.28 19:40:20 ] Wrathful Penguins > we just want fights
[ 2013.08.28 19:40:31 ] Wrathful Penguins > but if you want to kill test archon
[ 2013.08.28 19:40:33 ] Wrathful Penguins > it is here
[ 2013.08.28 19:40:37 ] Quindaster > If I want I could drop 3 widow and jump you to the hell
[ 2013.08.28 19:40:46 ] Wrathful Penguins > feel free
[ 2013.08.28 19:40:49 ] Wrathful Penguins > I will not be angry
[ 2013.08.28 19:40:54 ] Wrathful Penguins > we are not blue
[ 2013.08.28 19:40:59 ] Quindaster > I don't want help you anymore till you recover our loses.
[ 2013.08.28 19:41:30 ] Quindaster > And leave our area - you just make fun for tests.
[ 2013.08.28 19:41:31 ] Wrathful Penguins > lol
[ 2013.08.28 19:41:45 ] Wrathful Penguins > we want fun
[ 2013.08.28 19:41:50 ] Wrathful Penguins > that is why we play
[ 2013.08.28 19:42:05 ] Quindaster > And we don't want make fun for tests
[ 2013.08.28 19:42:10 ] Wrathful Penguins > you do not have to work with us to kill archon
[ 2013.08.28 19:42:18 ] Wrathful Penguins > archon is aggressed, just letting you know
[ 2013.08.28 19:42:22 ] Wrathful Penguins > do what you want with that
[ 2013.08.28 19:42:41 ] Quindaster > so in this moment you work on tests if you make fun for them, so leave area or we will need to kill you.
[ 2013.08.28 19:43:21 ] Wrathful Penguins > you can fight us too
[ 2013.08.28 19:43:35 ] Wrathful Penguins > that is fun for us also
[ 2013.08.28 19:43:39 ] Quindaster > Your counter start, so when we will kill you I will stop only when we will recover our loses made by your help for tests.
[ 2013.08.28 19:43:47 ] Wrathful Penguins > we just want fights
[ 2013.08.28 19:44:10 ] Wrathful Penguins > please don't stop killing us even after recouping losses
[ 2013.08.28 19:44:22 ] Quindaster > You can fight only vs shitty tests and you useless in bigger fights.
[ 2013.08.28 19:44:32 ] Wrathful Penguins > lol
[ 2013.08.28 19:44:35 ] Wrathful Penguins > try us
[ 2013.08.28 19:45:01 ] Quindaster > I will not try, I will kill you when I want.
[ 2013.08.28 19:45:12 ] Wrathful Penguins > lol
[ 2013.08.28 19:45:16 ] Wrathful Penguins > please do
[ 2013.08.28 19:45:35 ] Wrathful Penguins > didn't work out for you last time with the redeemer
[ 2013.08.28 19:46:11 ] Quindaster > We don't need your permission in our home systems can we attack tests or not.
[ 2013.08.28 19:47:10 ] Wrathful Penguins > you put a fleet on field with me and don't ask and we're not blue and i fire
[ 2013.08.28 19:47:11 ] Quindaster > We attack test - you keep us on field and cry for shitty loot, it's nonsence,
[ 2013.08.28 19:47:25 ] Wrathful Penguins > and i'm pretty sure you lost that fight
[ 2013.08.28 19:47:47 ] Quindaster > We lost vs you?
[ 2013.08.28 19:47:48 ] Wrathful Penguins > pretty sure asking permission would have saved you 14b
[ 2013.08.28 19:47:53 ] Wrathful Penguins >
[ 2013.08.28 19:47:59 ] Wrathful Penguins > next time ask
[ 2013.08.28 19:48:09 ] Wrathful Penguins > also my fleet survived
[ 2013.08.28 19:48:15 ] Wrathful Penguins > and killed far, far more TEST than you guys
[ 2013.08.28 19:48:16 ] Quindaster > I will not ask anyone on my Aridia
[ 2013.08.28 19:48:23 ] Wrathful Penguins > we killed like 8b and lost like 0.1b
[ 2013.08.28 19:48:31 ] Wrathful Penguins > TEST killed like 14b and lost 7b
[ 2013.08.28 19:48:39 ] Wrathful Penguins > you lost 14b and killed 0b
[ 2013.08.28 19:48:48 ] Wrathful Penguins > so FA > TEST >>>>> you
[ 2013.08.28 19:48:57 ] Wrathful Penguins > but if you want to work together you can ask and I am happy to
[ 2013.08.28 19:48:59 ] Quindaster > Your shitty fleet burn away thats all you can do on nano shit.
[ 2013.08.28 19:49:12 ] Wrathful Penguins > cause holding the field with the archons worked out pretty well
[ 2013.08.28 19:49:30 ] Wrathful Penguins > wait, did you win that fight with your archons?
[ 2013.08.28 19:49:33 ] Wrathful Penguins > or did I win it with my nano?
[ 2013.08.28 19:49:41 ] Wrathful Penguins > who was it who lost 14b and begged the other guy for isk?
[ 2013.08.28 19:50:44 ] Quindaster > We didn't want to fight vs 120 tests and we wasn't ready for it, we just need to do it cos you attack us and we rep our ships till I tryed to ask what the fuck you doing, but your idiots shoot when we not
[ 2013.08.28 19:50:54 ] Wrathful Penguins > yeah
[ 2013.08.28 19:50:55 ] Wrathful Penguins > we're neutral
[ 2013.08.28 19:50:57 ] Wrathful Penguins > we shoot you
[ 2013.08.28 19:50:59 ] Quindaster > and you simply cryed for loot 5 minutes
[ 2013.08.28 19:51:02 ] Wrathful Penguins > how does this surprise you?
[ 2013.08.28 19:51:38 ] Quindaster > What you idiot expect? you think you could kill us on own shit? Really?
[ 2013.08.28 19:52:01 ] Wrathful Penguins > you put your gang on field with my gang and my gang was killing yours
[ 2013.08.28 19:52:10 ] Wrathful Penguins > so you had to bring in archons off station next to test undock
[ 2013.08.28 19:52:13 ] Wrathful Penguins > which is very very bad idea
[ 2013.08.28 19:52:17 ] Wrathful Penguins > and then you lose the archons
[ 2013.08.28 19:52:23 ] Wrathful Penguins > and we laugh a lot
[ 2013.08.28 19:52:25 ] Wrathful Penguins > then kill test
[ 2013.08.28 19:52:33 ] Quindaster > If I want, I could point hafl of your nano fleet and kill, our cloaky ship was near your raven in 7km you noob
[ 2013.08.28 19:52:34 ] Wrathful Penguins > also self destruct doesn't prevent lossmail anymore
[ 2013.08.28 19:52:41 ] Wrathful Penguins > next time try it
[ 2013.08.28 19:52:44 ] Wrathful Penguins > we like fights
[ 2013.08.28 19:54:02 ] Wrathful Penguins > we are not blue, if you get next to my gang and can attack it you are allowed to
[ 2013.08.28 19:54:03 ] Quindaster > omg, you noob and idiot who think if he can overburn few shitty tests it will work with us too.
[ 2013.08.28 19:54:08 ] Wrathful Penguins > lol
[ 2013.08.28 19:54:13 ] Wrathful Penguins > you just lost 14b to test mate
[ 2013.08.28 19:54:35 ] Quindaster > yes, cos you help them
[ 2013.08.28 19:54:37 ] Wrathful Penguins > lol
[ 2013.08.28 19:54:50 ] Wrathful Penguins > pretty sure you're the ones who dropped the archons off station
[ 2013.08.28 19:54:51 ] Wrathful Penguins > not us
[ 2013.08.28 19:55:17 ] Quindaster > that's all, so fuck off from our Aridia you test pet.
[ 2013.08.28 19:55:49 ] Wrathful Penguins > lol
[ 2013.08.28 19:56:21 ] Wrathful Penguins > FA aren't test pets
[ 2013.08.28 19:56:32 ] Quindaster > I told you, you idiot who think you do something, what you do is - USELESS
[ 2013.08.28 19:57:56 ] Quindaster > and you just give entertainment for tests, so for you Tests always have fleet now, they have 100 bkm near dock, gred near station over 1000km cos you idiot
[ 2013.08.28 19:59:07 ] Quindaster > go and play your shitty game in jita undock, you will find many idiots like you who will play it.
[ 2013.08.28 20:00:17 ] Wrathful Penguins > lol
[ 2013.08.28 20:00:28 ] Wrathful Penguins > wow
[ 2013.08.28 20:00:32 ] Wrathful Penguins > check my killboard
[ 2013.08.28 20:01:22 ] Quindaster > aye, same like anyone else in jita andock, 100 shit frigates and destroyer
[ 2013.08.28 20:01:37 ] Wrathful Penguins > lol
[ 2013.08.28 20:01:41 ] Wrathful Penguins > lose more archons?
[ 2013.08.28 20:03:35 ] Quindaster > for me archon like for tests frigate, so it's ship for everyday for us, cos we fly on normal ships and not shitty merlins
[ 2013.08.28 20:03:42 ] Wrathful Penguins > lol
[ 2013.08.28 20:03:49 ] Wrathful Penguins > you must have many isk
[ 2013.08.28 20:03:55 ] Wrathful Penguins > from all your customs offices
[ 2013.08.28 20:04:11 ] Quindaster > I can buy on isk whole your alliance
[ 2013.08.28 20:04:16 ] Wrathful Penguins > lol
[ 2013.08.28 20:04:17 ] Wrathful Penguins > me too
[ 2013.08.28 20:04:41 ] Quindaster > aye bla-bla
[ 2013.08.28 20:08:09 ] Quindaster > I told you fuck off from Soliara you cretin, you just help tests you idiot.
[ 2013.08.28 20:10:52 ] Wrathful Penguins > lol

#1 Posted: 2013.08.29 19:34 | Edited by: CCP Ytterbium
As we have hinted several times before, Marauders are next on the Tech2 to-do list. And guess what? It's feedback time!
Marauders were initially released during the Trinity expansion in 2007 and were aimed for PvE activities. However, as time passed and we rebalanced other classes, especially the Pirate Battleships, they lost appeal as a whole.
We also believe that designing them for a very specific activity doesn't fit the emergent nature of EVE, and as such we wish to expand their use to PvP as well. Of course, their high price, low mobility will always ensure their role remains a niche one, but we at least can make that purpose more appealing than a simple "jam me now and forever" target dummy.

As such, after much internal and CSM discussion, we have designed Marauders with two modes of operation, specialized in harassing tactics.

In regular mode, they work approximately on the same fashion as on TQ, but are capable of using Micro Jump Drive at a faster rate than usual to quickly relocate on the battlefield.
In deployed mode (we call it bastion), their hulls transform (they will have fancy visible animations like the Rorqual does when deploying) and they become fixed weapon placement with a bonus to resistances, tanking, damage projection and receiving EW immunity. However, like Dreadnoughts, they cannot be remote assisted or even move when that happens. They also cannot use Micro Jump Drives in that mode.

The combination of both results in a ship that can jump 100km away to quickly react to a shifting environment, then go into bastion mode and use its increased damage application to deal with opposition while absorbing damage. However, due to the lack of remote assistance in that mode and isolating nature of Micro Jump Drives, they will still die easily in larger fights where DPS is concentrated. Remember that the spool up nature of the Micro Jump Drives plus the time needed to align will give opponents a window of opportunity to tackle them before they can jump again.
This also provides a stepping stone between sub-capitals / capital and their various siege / triage operation. It is noteworthy to remember we don't necessarily want them to out-damage or go faster than Pirate Battleships - instead, they tank and project damage better.
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Before we look at the hulls, here are the details about the Bastion module itself:

BASTION MODULE

Provides 30% shield, armor and hull resistances when activated, which function on the same way than Damage Control modules (not stacking penalized)
Increases shield and armor repair amount by 100%
Extends all large turret falloff and tracking by 25%
Increases all large missile max velocity by 25%
Has a cycle time of 80 seconds. Cycle is reduced by 5% for each level of Bastion module skill to a minimum of 60 seconds.
When in bastion mode, Marauder is immune to EW but cannot be remote assisted in any way
When in bastion mode, Marauder speed is set to 0 m/s, mass is increased by a factor of 10, cannot warp. Also receives a weapons timer that prevents station docking or gate jumping
Only one may be fitted per Marauder, cannot be deactivated before cycle ends
Uses 10 CPU and 100 powergrid to fit
Uses no specific fuel or capacitor - we were discussing the use of Heavy Water as fuel. However, it doesn't really provide any gameplay (as CCP Rise mentioned, capacitor is the main limiting factor in combat with those ships). Plus it adds more consumables to a class that already commonly uses charges for weapons, cap boosters and need to keep cargo for possible salvaging.


BASTION TRANSFORMERTHINGIE™ SKILL(name not final)
Rank 8
Perception, Willpower as Primary / Secondary
Requires Advanced Weapon Upgrades 5 (that's needed to fly a Marauder anyway)


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Giving a new deployed mode is not enough however, as some modifications need to be made on the hulls themselves. First, we wanted to encourage Marauders to use Micro Jump Drives to move around, and as such have reduced mobility next to their Tech1 counterparts (bit higher mass and lower max velocity). We are also reducing their drone bays as they are primarily meant to deliver damage through their main weapon system. They also keep the resistances they have right now instead of gaining full Tech2 resists, otherwise the combination with the bastion module would be quite over the top.

However, we realize Marauder hulls have a certain number of issues; as such we are significantly increasing their fittings so that they can fit Large Micro Jump Drives plus Heavy Capacitor Boosters with more ease (the Vargur especially needed more fitting options). We also are increasing their high slots to 8 to compensate for the slot allocation of the bastion mode. We also are increasing their maximum targeting range and scan resolution a bit to make use of the increased damage projection, while decreasing their signature radius.

As a final combo bonus, we also are changing Target Painter cycle time from 10 to 5 seconds, and reducing their cap usage to compensate - waiting for the Target Painter cycle to finish before swapping targets is quite annoying on the Golem.

Detailed changes below.


PALADIN

Role Bonus: 100% bonus to large energy weapon damage, 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams, 70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay

Amarr Battleship Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to capacitor capacity
7.5% bonus to Large Energy Turret optimal range (instead of 10% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level)

Marauder Skill Bonus:
7.5% bonus to repair amount of armor repair systems
5% bonus to large energy turret damage per level


Slot layout: 8H(+1), 4M, 7L; 4 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 16500 PWG (+3000), 530 CPU (+30)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6300(-500) / 8000(-200) / 7700(+400)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 8000(+2375) / 1000s (+76.1s) / 8 cap/s (+2)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 85 m/s(-20) / .119(-0.009) / 111665000(+6465000) / 18.42s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25(-50) / 50(-25)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 91km(+10km) / 120(+39) / 10
Sensor strength: 12 Radar
Signature radius: 420(-80)



GOLEM

Role Bonus: 100% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo damage, 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams, 70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay

Caldari Battleship Skill Bonus:
10% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo velocity
5% bonus to cruise missile and torpedo explosion velocity per level

Marauders Skill Bonus:
7.5% bonus to shield boost amount
10% bonus to effectiveness of target painters per level


Slot layout: 8H(+1), 7M, 4L; 0 turrets, 4 launchers
Fittings: 8500 PWG (+2000), 715 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 8000(-200) / 6100(-1200) / 7000(+300)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 6325(+700) / 1150s (+226.1s) / 5.5 cap/s (-0.5)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 85 m/s(-20) / .12 / 114195000(+8995000) / 19s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 25(-50) / 50(-25)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 95km(+5km) / 105(+32) / 10
Sensor strength: 14 Gravimetric
Signature radius: 450(-125)



KRONOS

Role Bonus: 100% bonus to large hybrid weapon damage, 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams, 70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay

Gallente Battleship Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to large hybrid weapon damage
10% bonus to large Hybrid Turret Falloff per level (instead of 10% bonus to the velocity factor of stasis webifiers per level)

Marauder Skill Bonus:
7.5% bonus to repair amount of armor repair systems
7.5% bonus to large hybrid weapon tracking per level


Slot layout: 8H(+1), 4M, 7L; 4 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 14000 PWG (+2000), 580 CPU (+30)
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 6600(-200) / 7200(-100) / 8600(+400)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 6900(+1275) / 1150s (+226.1s) / 6 cap/s
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 92 m/s(-28) / .114(-0.0038) / 113160000(+11360000) / 17.8s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-25) / 50(-75)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 90km(+3km) / 120(+39) / 10
Sensor strength: 13 Magnetometric
Signature radius: 420(-80)



VARGUR

Role Bonus: 100% bonus to large projectile weapon damage, 100% bonus to range and velocity of tractor beams, 70% reduction in Micro Jump Drive reactivation delay

Minmatar Battleship Skill Bonus:
5% bonus to large projectile turret rate of fire
10% bonus to large projectile turret falloff per level

Marauder Skill Bonus:
7.5% bonus to shield boost amount
7.5% bonus to large projectile turret tracking per level


Slot layout: 8H(+1), 6M, 5L; 4 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 12900 PWG(+5000), 625 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7500(-100) / 6600(-200) / 6300 (-1000)
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap/s) : 6200(+575) / 1100s(+176.1s) / 5.6 cap/s (-0.4)
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 100 m/s(-30) / .112(-0.004) / 116840000(+10740000) / 18.1s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 50(-25) / 50(-25)
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 81km(+6km) / 145(+60) / 10
Sensor strength: 11 Ladar
Signature radius: 360(-65)