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On March 17 2013 23:20 artynko wrote:
Was the FW missioning nerfed somehow that it is no longer viable ? I know that the tier system now works differently but for example minmatar is t3 now would I be better of doing missions then orbiting buttons ?
Apart from trading, which you need a large sum of isk for, its still the best/highest isk/hr. But its no where near the prenerf values.
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Lalalaland34507 Posts
EVE is basically filled with blissfully ignorant people who don't realise what they are missing. In many ways that's fine since they enjoy the game that way, and what is the point of a game if you don't enjoy it? But if you are looking for a way to maximise your potential (as many of us from Hatchery are, coming from a hardcore gaming website like TL) then there are so many ways to reach staggering levels that 95% of EVE aren't even aware of.
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Another jump freighter down(Nulli) and i even got some officer loot from it :O. killmail says 10.09b total.
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On March 18 2013 00:17 Ueberlisk wrote:
Another jump freighter down(Nulli) and i even got some officer loot from it :O. killmail says 10.09b total.
So the neut is going on the Mach and/or Bhaalgorn then?
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On March 18 2013 00:14 Firebolt145 wrote:
EVE is basically filled with blissfully ignorant people who don't realise what they are missing. In many ways that's fine since they enjoy the game that way, and what is the point of a game if you don't enjoy it? But if you are looking for a way to maximise your potential (as many of us from Hatchery are, coming from a hardcore gaming website like TL) then there are so many ways to reach staggering levels that 95% of EVE aren't even aware of.
Speaking of which, I'm pretty done with nullsec. I don't need to rat for isk so I pretty much sit around and train. Since we are in a sea of blue, ops are few and far apart and consist mainly of tower shooting for several hours to enrich my alliance SRP. I'm pretty sure I haven't learned a single thing about PvP other than press F1.
I am funding 4 accounts with mostly passive income, but I also have a nice stack of bils to support me anyways. I guess I'll evaluate options- FW? Shield Battery?
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On March 18 2013 00:36 michaelthe wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 00:14 Firebolt145 wrote:
EVE is basically filled with blissfully ignorant people who don't realise what they are missing. In many ways that's fine since they enjoy the game that way, and what is the point of a game if you don't enjoy it? But if you are looking for a way to maximise your potential (as many of us from Hatchery are, coming from a hardcore gaming website like TL) then there are so many ways to reach staggering levels that 95% of EVE aren't even aware of. Speaking of which, I'm pretty done with nullsec. I don't need to rat for isk so I pretty much sit around and train. Since we are in a sea of blue, ops are few and far apart and consist mainly of tower shooting for several hours to enrich my alliance SRP. I'm pretty sure I haven't learned a single thing about PvP other than press F1.
One of the great ironies of EVE is that the cool "be part of something greater than you~~~" mechanics are the most boring in the game from the perspective of the player. Lowsec life and null breaching are the most fun aspects of the game by far despite being the least well-developed. When CSM comes up, you should vote for the lowsec candidate(s) for two reasons.
a) A lowsec candidate has come to the same realizations that you have and explored the conflicted (but ultimately better) world of lowsec life. They have real and effective changes in mind, are more knowledgeable than 99% of people in EVE about ship balance and piloting - things that actually make a difference when you don't have 1 guy telling 200 guys exactly what to do. Their platforms are centered around smaller-scale combat and getting more people into lowsec (making the best part of the game better).
b) Despite what they all say, other candidates (apart from WH-centric candidates) want more of the same. More ratting, more SRP, more tower shooting. Any "changes" they want are fundamentally telling CCP "you did it more or less right" instead of "look, you haven't done it right".
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On March 18 2013 00:36 michaelthe wrote:
Speaking of which, I'm pretty done with nullsec. I don't need to rat for isk so I pretty much sit around and train. Since we are in a sea of blue, ops are few and far apart and consist mainly of tower shooting for several hours to enrich my alliance SRP. I'm pretty sure I haven't learned a single thing about PvP other than press F1.
You could try NPC null in a region that is not completely NPC space, like delve or fountain for example, live there and harass the locals
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+ Show Spoiler +On March 18 2013 02:02 Body_Shield wrote:![[image loading]](http://i692.photobucket.com/albums/vv286/Body_Shield/EVE/webexploit_zps70be2137.png)
The guy cynos in and i undock in vindi. he docks, i dock. then he decides to undock and i watching him not stopping with alt. i undock vindi. at this point hes aligning/warping towards gelfiven gate. point+web and hes 1500 meters out of dock range. some easy bumps and hes gone. he decided to undock after i already showed my hand. just bad nulli player.
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JFs aren't very fast when 90% webbed, are they? You probably didn't need to bump him lol.
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On March 17 2013 23:26 Body_Shield wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:13 m4inbrain wrote:Being taught the outcomes is nice, but you need to learn the methods too. Now i dont mean that you should ignore the advices we can give and start mining to get the basics covered, but use the advice and do your own research as well. That's what i meant. It's like cooking, a good cook knows how his material is produced. Every single cook/chef knows the basics, not just how to put caviar and truffle on a steak. I don't argue that it might be a bit wasteful timewise, but i for myself think it's good to know the basics. That includes mining as well as producing, mission running, and also mistakes. They might hurt, but they're also a lesson. Except Eve doesn't work like that, there is no feedback for doing badly at the money game, there is no active information that tells you that you are terrible. You spend time at a thing, and you get a result, and there isn't a list of ready results to compare to. It's like cooking for people, yet those people don't tell you anything about how the meal is, and they give you the industry standard amount of money for the quality you have produced. And you go on, blissfully unaware that after they left the door they immediately admitted themselves into the emergency room of the local hospital only to die of massive internal bleeding an hour later. This is why some people mine for isk, and they say it's good. They've invested so much time, and cannot realize or accept that what they have done, what they have laboured over, is less than the minimum wage at a sweat shop in Ethiopia, and yet they still drink the poop water.
Wait, i never said it's good. I don't have any other experiences to compare it to. So far, it was the best way to make a couple of million credits, better than T1 mission running by far. Thats what i can tell. I did not even touch FW and all the other things, or even just higher missions - but for now, it's the best way that i know of to finance my Omen. That doesn't mean that it's a good way, it's just my experience. Might completely change after i take on T2 or higher missions, or FW or something.
And of course, there is a feedback, kind of. If i do two things, and one gives me more money, then i kinda know that what i did before was crap. I pretty much know that there are better ways to get money. But as someone who don't know his way around the game yet, just getting in the venture and afk mine a couple of asteroids is pretty much the easiest and fastest way. But it's boring as fuck, so i run missions now. T1 missions. Don't get any money, but at least the game looks prettier now.
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On March 18 2013 06:28 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 23:26 Body_Shield wrote:On March 17 2013 23:13 m4inbrain wrote:Being taught the outcomes is nice, but you need to learn the methods too. Now i dont mean that you should ignore the advices we can give and start mining to get the basics covered, but use the advice and do your own research as well. That's what i meant. It's like cooking, a good cook knows how his material is produced. Every single cook/chef knows the basics, not just how to put caviar and truffle on a steak. I don't argue that it might be a bit wasteful timewise, but i for myself think it's good to know the basics. That includes mining as well as producing, mission running, and also mistakes. They might hurt, but they're also a lesson. Except Eve doesn't work like that, there is no feedback for doing badly at the money game, there is no active information that tells you that you are terrible. You spend time at a thing, and you get a result, and there isn't a list of ready results to compare to. It's like cooking for people, yet those people don't tell you anything about how the meal is, and they give you the industry standard amount of money for the quality you have produced. And you go on, blissfully unaware that after they left the door they immediately admitted themselves into the emergency room of the local hospital only to die of massive internal bleeding an hour later. This is why some people mine for isk, and they say it's good. They've invested so much time, and cannot realize or accept that what they have done, what they have laboured over, is less than the minimum wage at a sweat shop in Ethiopia, and yet they still drink the poop water. Wait, i never said it's good. I don't have any other experiences to compare it to. So far, it was the best way to make a couple of million credits, better than T1 mission running by far. Thats what i can tell. I did not even touch FW and all the other things, or even just higher missions - but for now, it's the best way that i know of to finance my Omen. That doesn't mean that it's a good way, it's just my experience. Might completely change after i take on T2 or higher missions, or FW or something. And of course, there is a feedback, kind of. If i do two things, and one gives me more money, then i kinda know that what i did before was crap. I pretty much know that there are better ways to get money. But as someone who don't know his way around the game yet, just getting in the venture and afk mine a couple of asteroids is pretty much the easiest and fastest way. But it's boring as fuck, so i run missions now. T1 missions. Don't get any money, but at least the game looks prettier now.
But mining is not the best way, orbiting buttons is >.>
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On March 17 2013 03:19 KwarK wrote:
If you rely on me to generate content and I'm not online then there could be an issue with lack of content.
On March 17 2013 03:21 KwarK wrote:
Orious is every now and then but one man cannot support a corp unless he dedicates himself to it to burnout levels.
Why did Hatchery go inactive in the first place?
Will our fearless leader return to lead Hatchery back to it's former glory?
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On March 18 2013 06:29 kollin wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 06:28 m4inbrain wrote:On March 17 2013 23:26 Body_Shield wrote:On March 17 2013 23:13 m4inbrain wrote:Being taught the outcomes is nice, but you need to learn the methods too. Now i dont mean that you should ignore the advices we can give and start mining to get the basics covered, but use the advice and do your own research as well. That's what i meant. It's like cooking, a good cook knows how his material is produced. Every single cook/chef knows the basics, not just how to put caviar and truffle on a steak. I don't argue that it might be a bit wasteful timewise, but i for myself think it's good to know the basics. That includes mining as well as producing, mission running, and also mistakes. They might hurt, but they're also a lesson. Except Eve doesn't work like that, there is no feedback for doing badly at the money game, there is no active information that tells you that you are terrible. You spend time at a thing, and you get a result, and there isn't a list of ready results to compare to. It's like cooking for people, yet those people don't tell you anything about how the meal is, and they give you the industry standard amount of money for the quality you have produced. And you go on, blissfully unaware that after they left the door they immediately admitted themselves into the emergency room of the local hospital only to die of massive internal bleeding an hour later. This is why some people mine for isk, and they say it's good. They've invested so much time, and cannot realize or accept that what they have done, what they have laboured over, is less than the minimum wage at a sweat shop in Ethiopia, and yet they still drink the poop water. Wait, i never said it's good. I don't have any other experiences to compare it to. So far, it was the best way to make a couple of million credits, better than T1 mission running by far. Thats what i can tell. I did not even touch FW and all the other things, or even just higher missions - but for now, it's the best way that i know of to finance my Omen. That doesn't mean that it's a good way, it's just my experience. Might completely change after i take on T2 or higher missions, or FW or something. And of course, there is a feedback, kind of. If i do two things, and one gives me more money, then i kinda know that what i did before was crap. I pretty much know that there are better ways to get money. But as someone who don't know his way around the game yet, just getting in the venture and afk mine a couple of asteroids is pretty much the easiest and fastest way. But it's boring as fuck, so i run missions now. T1 missions. Don't get any money, but at least the game looks prettier now. But mining is not the best way, orbiting buttons is >.>
I don't even know what that means. ._.
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On March 18 2013 06:35 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 06:29 kollin wrote:On March 18 2013 06:28 m4inbrain wrote:On March 17 2013 23:26 Body_Shield wrote:On March 17 2013 23:13 m4inbrain wrote:Being taught the outcomes is nice, but you need to learn the methods too. Now i dont mean that you should ignore the advices we can give and start mining to get the basics covered, but use the advice and do your own research as well. That's what i meant. It's like cooking, a good cook knows how his material is produced. Every single cook/chef knows the basics, not just how to put caviar and truffle on a steak. I don't argue that it might be a bit wasteful timewise, but i for myself think it's good to know the basics. That includes mining as well as producing, mission running, and also mistakes. They might hurt, but they're also a lesson. Except Eve doesn't work like that, there is no feedback for doing badly at the money game, there is no active information that tells you that you are terrible. You spend time at a thing, and you get a result, and there isn't a list of ready results to compare to. It's like cooking for people, yet those people don't tell you anything about how the meal is, and they give you the industry standard amount of money for the quality you have produced. And you go on, blissfully unaware that after they left the door they immediately admitted themselves into the emergency room of the local hospital only to die of massive internal bleeding an hour later. This is why some people mine for isk, and they say it's good. They've invested so much time, and cannot realize or accept that what they have done, what they have laboured over, is less than the minimum wage at a sweat shop in Ethiopia, and yet they still drink the poop water. Wait, i never said it's good. I don't have any other experiences to compare it to. So far, it was the best way to make a couple of million credits, better than T1 mission running by far. Thats what i can tell. I did not even touch FW and all the other things, or even just higher missions - but for now, it's the best way that i know of to finance my Omen. That doesn't mean that it's a good way, it's just my experience. Might completely change after i take on T2 or higher missions, or FW or something. And of course, there is a feedback, kind of. If i do two things, and one gives me more money, then i kinda know that what i did before was crap. I pretty much know that there are better ways to get money. But as someone who don't know his way around the game yet, just getting in the venture and afk mine a couple of asteroids is pretty much the easiest and fastest way. But it's boring as fuck, so i run missions now. T1 missions. Don't get any money, but at least the game looks prettier now. But mining is not the best way, orbiting buttons is >.> I don't even know what that means. ._.
Orbiting FW beacons for loyalty points, which you can then turn into sellable stuff.
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On March 18 2013 06:35 m4inbrain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 06:29 kollin wrote:On March 18 2013 06:28 m4inbrain wrote:On March 17 2013 23:26 Body_Shield wrote:On March 17 2013 23:13 m4inbrain wrote:Being taught the outcomes is nice, but you need to learn the methods too. Now i dont mean that you should ignore the advices we can give and start mining to get the basics covered, but use the advice and do your own research as well. That's what i meant. It's like cooking, a good cook knows how his material is produced. Every single cook/chef knows the basics, not just how to put caviar and truffle on a steak. I don't argue that it might be a bit wasteful timewise, but i for myself think it's good to know the basics. That includes mining as well as producing, mission running, and also mistakes. They might hurt, but they're also a lesson. Except Eve doesn't work like that, there is no feedback for doing badly at the money game, there is no active information that tells you that you are terrible. You spend time at a thing, and you get a result, and there isn't a list of ready results to compare to. It's like cooking for people, yet those people don't tell you anything about how the meal is, and they give you the industry standard amount of money for the quality you have produced. And you go on, blissfully unaware that after they left the door they immediately admitted themselves into the emergency room of the local hospital only to die of massive internal bleeding an hour later. This is why some people mine for isk, and they say it's good. They've invested so much time, and cannot realize or accept that what they have done, what they have laboured over, is less than the minimum wage at a sweat shop in Ethiopia, and yet they still drink the poop water. Wait, i never said it's good. I don't have any other experiences to compare it to. So far, it was the best way to make a couple of million credits, better than T1 mission running by far. Thats what i can tell. I did not even touch FW and all the other things, or even just higher missions - but for now, it's the best way that i know of to finance my Omen. That doesn't mean that it's a good way, it's just my experience. Might completely change after i take on T2 or higher missions, or FW or something. And of course, there is a feedback, kind of. If i do two things, and one gives me more money, then i kinda know that what i did before was crap. I pretty much know that there are better ways to get money. But as someone who don't know his way around the game yet, just getting in the venture and afk mine a couple of asteroids is pretty much the easiest and fastest way. But it's boring as fuck, so i run missions now. T1 missions. Don't get any money, but at least the game looks prettier now. But mining is not the best way, orbiting buttons is >.> I don't even know what that means. ._.
He's talking about plexing in faction warfare. It used to be that you could enter a complex with a day old alt (hour old if you went caldari, hatchery's plexing ship of choice was a merlin) and orbit a beacon (button) and get loyalty points (LP), then use those LP to buy items in the LP store of the faction you're aligned to.
Here's a guide that was posted a ways back in the thread, it will give you a better idea of what plexing is:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88359¤tpage=1191#23804
They changed FW a couple months back so you can't afk plex anymore afaik
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Ah yeah, saw that. The LP stuff. Well, as i said, didn't try FW so far, might do it this night. If i can figure it out.
Edit: thanks for the link. There's only one thing, if i join FW, i need to join a corps that does this as well, right? I think i read something about that.
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If you have a paid account you can go to any base and sign up for fw, but you have to leave the corp you're in.
Alternatively you can join shield battery since we're already a minmatar fw corp
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On March 18 2013 06:46 Omigawa wrote:
If you have a paid account you can go to any base and sign up for fw, but you have to leave the corp you're in.
Alternatively you can join shield battery since we're already a minmatar fw corp
I have. About SB, there could be drawbacks if i join as an amarr, right?
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