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s_side
United States700 Posts
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s_side
United States700 Posts
A few factors during Max 2 foreshadowed the demise of 2 of the 3 major alliances in the South in the last couple of months. Firstly, it was apparent that the Southern Coalition was really nothing like the Northern Coalition, mainly in that it was not much of a "coalition" at all. The SC had a much looser affiliation and was more a marriage of convenience than the "best friends forever,"cohesive (for Eve) group that the Northern Coalition was and is. Despite the raw numbers being firmly in favor of the invaders, their absurdly fragmented communication and intelligence avenues resulted in uncoordinated attacks, horrendous timing and standings issues. Numbers were never brought to bear in the right places, some alliances didn't bother to show up until weeks after others; in short, it was a mess. It didn't help that Molle's plan was vague, naive and ridiculously optimistic. It became very clear early on in the campaign that the SC was an ineffective fighting formation. In contrast to this, the NC was generally well-organized, and more importantly, unified. This was partially due to their advantage as defenders. The way Dominion Sov works essentially means that the attacker has to organize themselves and win continuous battles over timers for a week while the defender can set them almost back to square one by winning a single battle over a single timer. That, combined with the homefield advantage of knowledge of the space and JB networks can't be overlooked. Additionally, the "hearts and minds" aspect in large scale Eve conflict is just as big if not bigger than in real world conflict (you can't just not log into life). All the NC members, from the leading Razor and Morsus Mihi alliances, down to the third or fourth tier scrub alliances was fighting for their space (and their precious supply of Jewgold and Anoms). The goal was far from that simple for the Southern Alliances. Molle had presented it as the complete annihilation of the NC, but everyone knew that was not a possibility. The best case scenario, as most reasonable people saw it, was taking some nice chunks of NC space to be divied up amongst participants. The leading alliances would most likely have gotten a bunch of Jewgold and systems to rent, and the lesser alliances maybe a highend or two each and a less profitable constellation. How whatever was gained would be split up was not clear at all to the average grunt. But, I digress. With those advantages noted, the NC was still much better organized and able to work with each other. Simple things like getting everyone in a fleet on the same comms was something the NC had done many times before, and they, unsurprisingly, didn't forget how to do it when the Southerners came knocking. They also had a much better attitude in general towards mixed fleets and a variety of FCs. If a fleet lead by a Majesta Empire FC got beat to shit, members of other alliances wouldn't smack and refuse to join future fleets lead by that FC or another from the alliance. The same was not true for SC fleets. There was an amazing amount of drama and bullshit even between SC groups in the same powerbloc (e.g. Atlas+/GC/CoW). Atlas was the first to pull out. Bobby Atlas (alliance leader) placed the blame in Molle's lap and basically dragged him through the mud (not unfairly, to be honest). I am going to start off first by saying I am sorry, sorry for allowing the cluster fuck that is this campaign and the h-w situation to have happened or more importantly to have allowed it to get so bad. ... One of the straining points of the plan was that it was all created on a rather hasty whim by SirMolle on a Thursday night after a number of his FC's and best grunts started to scream at him for action or they were leaving. ... I am going to try keep the rest of this short, the entirety of this NC campaign is and has been a joke, it never materialized as was envisioned and the sooner everyone involved realizes that the less retarded everyone will look. I really don't give a shit what people think about us for pulling out but we are going home. The allies we care about know we are leaving and understand, the rest of them, well thats really only IT -- I don't really care what they think. I have a feeling the only thing this campaign has proven among the SC alliances, is to never let IT lead another campaign. -A- soon followed suit. This virtually assured that even in the face of a large scale invasion of the South, IT would not intervene on behalf of their (former) Southern Coalition buddies. | ||
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Victor
New Zealand1016 Posts
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ParanoiaHoT
United States103 Posts
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s_side
United States700 Posts
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Monsen
Germany2548 Posts
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
Anyway, I don't have the time to look in the this thread, but what eventually happened to the KenZoku? I'm sure they're disbanded, but...? | ||
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On November 02 2010 22:35 WiljushkA wrote: takes anything from 15 minutes to 12 hours a day, give or take. Care to elaborate? What if I want to be good at the game, how long would I need to play for? | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
On November 02 2010 22:33 GreEny K wrote: Ok, so I would liek to know how much time this game requires? It really seems interesting and I have wanted to start playing it since this thread came out but just never got around to it. Also, how much is it? I playt it between 15 minutes and 1 hour per day because I dont have much spare time. The way it goes is me logging in, asking if there is any PvP going on. If not I might run a mission for some ISK, if yes I go PvP for an hour or two. Other people play it like 12 hours a day doing a lot of ISK and really searching aggresively for PvP action. (PvP is the fun part of EvE) | ||
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Warri
Germany3208 Posts
On November 02 2010 22:41 GreEny K wrote: Care to elaborate? What if I want to be good at the game, how long would I need to play for? Training and earning money are two seperate things in EvE. You can train while being offline and only need to be online for a minute per day to queue up skills. Money on the other hand is earned while you play via trading, running missions, mining or pvp(only if youre really good). To get a good start you need to be a bit more active and earn your first hundres millions if you want to pay the gametime with ingame money. However you can also choose to pay with bucks and just train your char for the first few months and do a mission here and there. You wont have any disadvantage by being less active, you will just be a bit broke. | ||
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flodeskum
Iceland1267 Posts
On November 02 2010 22:41 GreEny K wrote: Care to elaborate? What if I want to be good at the game, how long would I need to play for? Not long, if by 'good' you mean a good pilot. While actual combat experience in eve helps a lot, most of the skill involved in pvp is having a cool head and making good decisions under pressure. Training the skills will always take a set amount of time but you won't have to keep up with any sort of XP grind like in other mmos. Earning isk can take time, though some ways are considerably quicker than other when it comes to making isk. However if you find a good corp you will be supported financially until you can be self sufficient. | ||
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Rho_
United States971 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On November 02 2010 23:31 flodeskum wrote: Not long, if by 'good' you mean a good pilot. While actual combat experience in eve helps a lot, most of the skill involved in pvp is having a cool head and making good decisions under pressure. Training the skills will always take a set amount of time but you won't have to keep up with any sort of XP grind like in other mmos. Earning isk can take time, though some ways are considerably quicker than other when it comes to making isk. However if you find a good corp you will be supported financially until you can be self sufficient. Is there like a TL team or something? From what I know of the game it confuses the crap out of me, anyone willing to help me if I start playing? | ||
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hoob
Sweden69 Posts
On November 03 2010 00:23 GreEny K wrote: Is there like a TL team or something? From what I know of the game it confuses the crap out of me, anyone willing to help me if I start playing? Check this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88359 | ||
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On November 03 2010 00:26 hoob wrote: Check this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=88359 Thanks, very helpful. | ||
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Tisp
Canada209 Posts
Goons took over Ken's base - or was really close anyway. How did Ken come back and take it and how long did Goons own it for? After Ken took it back, what happened to Goons? AAA took over their old home so did they all just die? | ||
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