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s_side
Profile Joined May 2009
United States700 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-23 03:21:41
April 23 2010 03:21 GMT
#1381
North vs. South situation report:

I'll start with a brief summary of the war up to this point for those who don't keep up with the current politics and goings on of the egomaniacal world of 0.0 Eve Online (probably virtually everyone who is reading this currently) . This will not explain game mechanics nor much history, so check out the OP for those. This map will make everything a lot more clear, as the regions are numerous and confusing even for someone who plays Eve regularly.

http://go-dl.eve-files.com/media/corp/Aurora148/Local-Powerblocks-020310-r3.png

After BoB (hereafter IT) took back their home space (Delve and Querious) and carebeared for a while, the great Swedish leader of IT, Sir Molle, set his sights on the North. Although there is no doubt passionate hatred harbored by Molle and all of the non-pubby IT guys towards the NC, this was also really the only possible place to go for a fight without upsetting the political status quo.
As it stood before the war, there were very few unaligned entities in 0.0 with any kind of real impact. Virtually every notable alliance in 0.0 space was either a member of the Northern Coalition, the Southern Coalition, the “Proviblob” or the Droneland Russian block, with the important distinction of around five independent alliances. Since no one wants the Dronelands, the Russians tend to stick to themselves, and are basically opportunists, going where the fights are and often engaging both sides in a battle. Some (xxxDeathxxx) have had some past ties with the NC, and others (Solar) with the SC. Although Red Overlord (ROL) are a Russian alliance, they fall more under IT's wing, do not live in the Dronelands and can definintely be considered an SC alliance.

The Proviblob, based in the Providence Region (and referred to on the map as CVA which is the main alliance) was somewhat of an anomaly in 0.0 space. They are the only major coalition to operate under “NRDS,” or not red (hostile) don’t shoot. Mostly everyone else in 0.0 shoots anything that they’re not allied with. They are also the only significant, independent role playing coalition. They read a lot of fan fiction and set coalition policy based on the fictional Eve universe. As you can imagine they were not terribly competent. However, since they offered a fertile hunting ground for the AAA and Atlas blocks, they were left alone until they pissed off AAA who is now almost finished completely evicting them from the region.

The Northern Coalition is a very old, established organization within Eve. They hold valuable space, have a significant Cap fleet, and are very well dug in. The two leading alliances within it, Razor and Morsus Mihi, have shared power and developed a strong, stable symbiotic relationship. Under these two entities, there is a broad base of less-experienced and wealthy alliances. Some say these are just used as unwitting shields against outside aggression and any good member corps of the “B-Team” alliances are poached by Razor and MM if they show promise. NC leadership maintain that they want to help everyone in their coalition improve and prosper. Without spin, there would be no Eve.

Within the Southern Block, there were inter-coalition gang fights, roams etc., but agreements (POS NAPS) prevented anyone from actually attacking a coalition mate’s space, stations, outposts or any sort of infrastructure. The only way to go was North.

Sir Molle got on the horn with the leaders of the other two most powerful blocks in the Southern Coalition, Atlas and Against All Authorities, as well as with two powerful independent alliances (Cry Havoc and Evoke), who were already fighting the recently displaced Goons and their NC buddies in Cloud Ring. Solar, who had worked with the Atlas block in the last major 0.0 conflict to displace NC alliances from Geminate (and then moved in), was also going to participate in the great push North.

Molle’s plan was based on attacking on multiple fronts. In the newest expansion to Eve, battles between large fleets have gotten even laggier than they were before. In many cases, hundreds of pilots will jump into a system only to have nothing load on their screens while the enemy blasts away at them without resistance. Often, if enough pilots try to pile into one system, the server node responsible for that system will crash and everyone will be disconnected. If the numbers and the strain on the server are big enough, sometimes all of Eve will go down (this happened at least twice while I was fighting in the Geminate War). Therefore, the best way to attack the NC would be to force them to divide their forces and run their best alliances’ fleets back and forth across the north trying to defend multiple fronts.

Evoke and Cry Havoc were tasked with evicting the Goons and any NC pet alliances from Cloud Ring. IT, Initiative Mercenaries, Red Overlord and friends began to lay siege to Pure Blind. Atlas/CoW/GC and AAA were going to hit Tribute and Vale from low-sec staging points to the South. The Solar Russians were going to attack from their home in Geminate into Vale from the South-East.

In Eve, as in all kinds of warfare (virtual or real), things seldom go according to plan. It turned out to be especially difficult to motivate the tens of thousands of grunts in the Southern Coalition to move the masses of ships and material (not only is this time consuming, but extremely expensive) to the staging points in the North. Furthermore, the way game mechanics work, boring an enemy into submission can be a very viable strategy. Refusing to fight except when absolutely necessary can be extremely frustrating for the thousands of players who make up the attacking force. Deploying tens of jumps away from your home systems also cuts you off from your non-passive income sources. The inertia these factors cause in getting alliances of thousands of people to deploy for these huge wars has been evident in the current one.

IT’s hatred of the NC, as well as their effective leadership and organization has made their effort relatively successful so far. No one expects anything less than a drawn out, back and forth conflict, but they have taken over sovereignty in a couple of outlying (non-hubbed) NC systems and taken a good number of high end moons. Cry Havoc and Evoke have also been successful in the early going and have taken all of the Goons’ moons and will likely soon force them to evacuate Cloud Ring up to Deklein (their second new home in the same number of months).
The tide has not been as favorable for Molle’s scheme in the other regions.

The Solar Russians failed to show up and are fighting battles with Pandemic Legion over high-end moons in Geminate and the surrounding low-sec space at the moment. As of now, AAA is partially deployed to the North after finishing mopping up Providence. This is, however, about 2-3 weeks after the initial Atlas/CoW/GC deployment. The experience of this block has so far been the roughest of the war.

Although CoW and GC were almost fully deployed on the arranged date, Atlas still had many stragglers in Insmother and Detroid. Whereas Atlas alone (without including Cow/GC) was easily maxing out 256-man fleets during the Geminate War, they were often fielding less than 100 for CTAs in the early stages of the deployment. This was likely the result of the absence of Atlas’ Alliance’s eponymous leader, Bobby Atlas. His directors could not organize their efforts, nor pull adequate numbers to properly engage the consistently huge, motivated fleets that the NC was putting together.

After a couple of weeks of facing overwhelming disadvantages in numbers (3:1 in the NC’s favor was pretty much the norm), as well as a couple unlucky lag-related fleet losses, Atlas cancelled all CTAs to regroup and reorganize, and now are running only smaller gangs of snipers and cloakies. GC has moved the ~15 jumps to x-70 in Pure Blind, the IT/ROL and friends staging system, to lend numbers to that front while the Tribute/Vale front is stagnant and awaiting the necessary numbers from AAA and Atlas.
ParanoiaDHerO
Profile Joined July 2009
United States183 Posts
April 23 2010 05:32 GMT
#1382
I love you<3
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
April 23 2010 05:42 GMT
#1383
http://www.massively.com/2010/04/22/confirmed-exploit-allows-eve-players-to-sneak-up-on-unsuspecting/#continued
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
ParanoiaDHerO
Profile Joined July 2009
United States183 Posts
April 23 2010 07:01 GMT
#1384
I reactivated my account and I'm very afraid to mine now :[ thanks a bunch stealth! lol
s_side
Profile Joined May 2009
United States700 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-04-26 07:09:22
April 25 2010 05:59 GMT
#1385
If you're doing the mining yourself, you have nothing to worry about (except for your sanity).

This exploit has been known about for a long time and has been largely used against Russian botter slime, as they are much less likely to petition their macro-ravens for reimbursement and they're a bunch of whiny-pants.

The hilarious thing is that there is no proof that Monkeysphere actually used this exploit, other than some suspicious killmails and a ton of butthurt Russians.

There are a LOT of Russians who play EVE who are botters. Many of them take advantage of the fact that the majority of their space is completely dead because it's relatively valueless for people who are going to actually fly their own ships. However, when "you" run plexes and anoms 23/7, or a macro-miner, it really doesn't matter.

Two wrongs certainly don't make it right, but the only people who are being adversely affected by this are soulless Russian RMT'ers who shit on the EULA


Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19137 Posts
April 26 2010 10:16 GMT
#1386
I've never played the game but I've always loved to read this thread and check the maps posted here. Thanks for your time everyone who contributes to this thread!
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
GGTeMpLaR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States7226 Posts
April 26 2010 22:11 GMT
#1387
On March 15 2010 08:28 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Video interview:

http://www.gamebreakr.com/shows/if-you-missed-it-nathan-richardsson-from-ccpeve-online-interview

Also how the article be biased it is a interview.


it contains interviews, but it isn't composed of just interviews
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
May 08 2010 22:27 GMT
#1388
Can anyone really clarify what happened to CVA? just curious or did they just get walked over by AAA and had all their space taken by random ppl?
Dota 3hard5me
WiljushkA
Profile Joined March 2006
Serbia1416 Posts
May 08 2010 22:38 GMT
#1389
in a nutshell, yes.
"As much as I love the image of me F5-ing paypal every 15 minutes while fist pumping and screaming "SHIP THE MONEY BITCHES"" - Day9
airtown
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States410 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-08 23:51:07
May 08 2010 23:39 GMT
#1390
whos CVA?

edit: also, what does the IT stand for in the IT allience?
http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/northwoods.pdf
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
May 09 2010 00:27 GMT
#1391
On May 09 2010 08:39 4iner wrote:
whos CVA?

edit: also, what does the IT stand for in the IT allience?

Mmmm tbh I`m in IT yet I don`t know I do remember a guy screamin IRON TESTICLES in chat as soon as it got changed to IT ;P
Dota 3hard5me
WiljushkA
Profile Joined March 2006
Serbia1416 Posts
May 09 2010 00:33 GMT
#1392
if you look at their killboard banner you'll understand what IT stands for.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0099864/
"As much as I love the image of me F5-ing paypal every 15 minutes while fist pumping and screaming "SHIP THE MONEY BITCHES"" - Day9
GoodWill
Profile Joined February 2009
Canada149 Posts
July 16 2010 23:23 GMT
#1393
Can any knowledgeable EVE player write an update? I don't play the game but I enjoyed reading this thread a lot. From the current sovereignty map I found on EVE wiki it appears that the southern alliance didn't gain anything from their offensive. Did they run out of steam? What happened to the goon players and the old "BoB war" actors? Is every bloc just chilling right now?

Long, comprehensive posts are greatly appreciated.

(I know there's an active thread but I don't think they discuss about broad EVE politics too much over there)
Bill307
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada9103 Posts
July 18 2010 03:53 GMT
#1394
I stopped following EVE due to the universe stagnating. This in turn was due to the ridiculous lag and game mechanics introduced by the last patch (Dominion, iirc). Apparently no one thinks very highly of EVE's developers, CCP, so I doubt this has been fixed.
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
July 18 2010 04:31 GMT
#1395
Yeh there been many lag issues and basically everything's at a standstill,
Dota 3hard5me
Arhkangel
Profile Joined August 2007
Argentina769 Posts
July 18 2010 06:16 GMT
#1396
Well, to my understanding since I came back to EVE after the whole BoB disbandment-recreation fiasco and the goons falling apart, EVE has stayed pretty much the same. Nullsec is still pretty active, and Sov on regions is won and lost constantly for example Gentleman's Club (The Alliance Liquid Inc. is a part off and was in part under the Atlas umbrella) lost their Region (Scalding Pass) last week.

In my opinion EVE is going to stay the way it is for a while for a number of reasons that would take hours to write down, hell I don't think I can list all of them in one go.

CCP is great as far as developers go, they just need to stop for a while, take a breath and release an expansion that doesn't include more content but polishes EVERYTHING they have already implemented. Lag being one of them, just 2 weeks ago there was a 30-something hours downtime to move the server to another location supposedly with better cooling but lag in big fights is still a major issue and since EVE just keeps getting bigger I don't see a solution in the horizon unless they revamp the system.

And it wouldn't hurt to post your politics questions in the active EVE thread were more people will be able to post their perspective, read people more involved in Nullsec Wars.
Part Time Ninja
WiljushkA
Profile Joined March 2006
Serbia1416 Posts
July 18 2010 12:24 GMT
#1397
whats funny is, our (GC' that is) sov isnt under attack, and we havent lost it:

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/Verite/influence.png

leadership just got sick of dealing with the sc and decided to leave. not to mention that the alliance has been stagnating (rather, deteriorating) ever since it joined the SC, and it was boring as shit with absolutely no benefits and high sov costs involved.
"As much as I love the image of me F5-ing paypal every 15 minutes while fist pumping and screaming "SHIP THE MONEY BITCHES"" - Day9
OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
July 18 2010 13:36 GMT
#1398
I dont get it why the hell did we pull out of kzf if none taken our sov yet? :o
i dunno lol
bN`
Profile Joined May 2009
Slovenia504 Posts
July 18 2010 14:05 GMT
#1399
It's mostly to do with CoW disbanding, primaryDOT selling their space, HTA being a bunch of newbwads and having a blue list longer than longcat. That and holding sov is a bunch of worries with a bit of income, also 3of our pvp corps left within 2 weeks of each other leaving a bunch of carebear and noone to FC defense fleets.
"It's just a ride." - Bill Hicks
OPSavioR
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1465 Posts
July 18 2010 14:55 GMT
#1400
Doesnt look too good then..
i dunno lol
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