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zulu_nation8
China23240 Posts
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ProdT
United States169 Posts
On February 20 2009 06:38 zulu_nation8 wrote: I'm tempted to play this game, it sounds like a lot of fun and not brainless like wow, would it ruin my life? No, you can practically just log on for like 1 minute, train skills, then log off to take care of your real life shit. Or just log on and go run missions, pvp, mine or whatever your career choice is. This is something I recommend all new players look at. http://www.onlinegamecommands.com/eveonline/eveonlinelearningskills.htm Be prepared for that learning curve though. Do the tutorial, and ask in the rookie help channel for anything. There are also corporations that take new plays so you can learn from experienced players. | ||
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Osmoses
Sweden3785 Posts
From what I read, EVE sounds alot like Planetarion... | ||
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CDRdude
United States5548 Posts
On February 20 2009 06:33 ProdT wrote: Actually BoB's new alliance Kenzoku or whatever, managed to purge all the invaders and practically gained all thier territory back, goonswarm still holds a very small part of it at the heart though. Crazy shit. I admit that I've never actually played the game, and I'm relying on other sources, but I'm positive that you're either woefully uninformed, or full of shit. | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
On February 20 2009 06:54 CDRdude wrote: I admit that I've never actually played the game, and I'm relying on other sources, but I'm positive that you're either woefully uninformed, or full of shit. he's full of shit. AFAIK, all Kenny towers have been taken down in Delve. Coalition cap ships are taking down towers with impunity. Kenny's plan is to wait out the storm so to speak and retake their space when more of the coalition leave from boredom. I don't see how that's going to work seeing as how PL lives right next door. | ||
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KrisElmqvist
Sweden1961 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2679 Posts
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CDRdude
United States5548 Posts
On February 20 2009 07:06 Navane wrote: I know even less about it, but looking at the map, clearly kezoku has almost all their territory previously being bob, back. But off course only at level 1sov (whatever that may be) and since the buildings, alone granted them the 1sov status and all their ships are like camping inside a big baloon, their soverinity is not worth much. But they still gained their territory back. My understanding is that sovereignty takes one full week of real time to flip. The map lags behind by about a week because of this. Everything indicates that goonswarm is in control in any real sense. | ||
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kazokun
United States163 Posts
Like I said before, I hope kenzoku enjoys ratting in syndicate, because that's where they'll end up in a few weeks. | ||
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3clipse
Canada2555 Posts
This game couldn't POSSIBLY be as cool as it sounds. | ||
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Gryffindor_us
United States5603 Posts
Very interesting, I'll be following this more closely I think :D! | ||
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GoodWill
Canada148 Posts
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theonemephisto
United States409 Posts
But yea, the stuff that happens in EVE is fascinating, even though it would probably be impossible for me to get into it at that level. I think I've read most of the written accounts of stuff (scams, the assassination/theft thing, this), and it's amazing. | ||
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Jayme
United States5005 Posts
On February 20 2009 07:25 Gryffindor_us wrote: I read the entire post and I found it very intriguing haha. I played the 14 day trial with a few friends but we honestly didn't give it a fair shake. The mere size of the encounters in this post and such makes it extremely tempting to give it another shot. I'm not sure why but I found myself sympathizing with BoB rather than GS XD! Of course it might be because I haven't been around to see what BoB has done or said or what not but I just kept waiting to read that BoB had amassed a huge fleet and swept back over their shit lol. Very interesting, I'll be following this more closely I think :D! BoB are.. or were elitist. They USED to have by far and away the best pilots and the best fleet commanders in the game.. They would routinely fight outnumbered and come out on top due to superior coordination and skill. As the game evolved though, the entrance of super capital ships and the OP warp bubbles ushered in an age of blobbing > all. What a poster said before is true. BoB used to take over alliances because they were so damn good they would attract the best players from the enemy alliance to their side. Now though they had to recruit anybody and everybody so they could match the blob forces of other alliances... and doing that dilutes the talent pool. BoB used to have some of the best roaming gank fleets in the game. I remember a 30+ or so interceptor fleet that we ran through the northern regions of 0.0 and killed SOOO many things, it was disgusting. Now i'm being told that their roaming gank fleets are terrible if not non-existent. Sad to see them go if they do. They were the villain basically everyone loved to hate and gave EvE a necessary flair. There is no one around yet to fill such a power vacuum. | ||
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caelym
United States3936 Posts
On February 20 2009 06:46 ProdT wrote: No, you can practically just log on for like 1 minute, train skills, then log off to take care of your real life shit. Or just log on and go run missions, pvp, mine or whatever your career choice is. I seriously doubt that... I don't play the game, and I just spent 2 hours today just reading the stories about the game. Sure, one can log in for 15 minutes, train skills, and go mine, but that's not exactly fun. This game seems to demand a huge amount of time spent to get the most of it. The reward for all that time spent does sound totally worthy though. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States33829 Posts
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kazokun
United States163 Posts
On February 20 2009 07:38 caelym wrote: I seriously doubt that... I don't play the game, and I just spent 2 hours today just reading the stories about the game. Sure, one can log in for 15 minutes, train skills, and go mine, but that's not exactly fun. This game seems to demand a huge amount of time spent to get the most of it. The reward for all that time spent does sound totally worthy though. Agreed, There are so many flipping things to do in EVE that it would be very hard to get an all encompassing experience from 15 minutes of play. The thing he was saying though was that 15 minutes is all it takes you to get in your character, buy/sell shit and select the next skill to train, so technically you're never behind of the people who began playing at the same time you do. | ||
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General Nuke Em
United States680 Posts
On February 20 2009 07:44 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: I wonder what, I think, Atari publishing and making the game available on shelves in March if Team Liquid could make a go of it and help noobs such as myself... who knows what could happen? Would be glad to make a teamliquid channel in game to help out TL guys or whatever if there was a sudden influx of people. | ||
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Not_Computer
Canada2271 Posts
On February 20 2009 07:38 caelym wrote: I seriously doubt that... I don't play the game, and I just spent 2 hours today just reading the stories about the game. Sure, one can log in for 15 minutes, train skills, and go mine, but that's not exactly fun. This game seems to demand a huge amount of time spent to get the most of it. The reward for all that time spent does sound totally worthy though. You're right, even if you use EVE Mon, you'd take at least 60 seconds to login, train skills, and log off to go to work/school/life. No more than 10 minutes though. Unless you're going through your inventory and tidying things up so when you come back later to play hardcore for hours straight you have everything set up. The thing about EVE that's different from most other MMO's is that there is a character maintenance which you can interact with on a regular basis, yet at the same time is flexible enough that it doesn't need you 24/7 (unless you want it to). If you're going on a two-week vacation, you can login, spend a chunk of money to buy a skill that takes 14 days to learn it, and log off. Come back 2 weeks later, start owning it up with whatever your new skill allows you to do. The thing that turns casual gamers off is the required commitment if you want to get good. (not counting money, because you can buy currency illegally just like in WoW or w/e). But there's no "power-leveling" where you can get to level 70 in a day or two. If you want to fly those huge-ass ships, you'd have to be training skills for months. Of course for the first couple dozen skills it'll only take 5-10 minutes to a couple hours (depending on your attributes and add-ons) but learning to fly a Titan would take long enough that you could travel Europe and come back and it still wouldn't be close to done. Maxing out your 14-day trial will take only 7 days or so. (I admit I played 4 trial accounts just to see how fast I could get a fully fitted Moa, then donate it to a newb corp when my trial expired... managed to get a Moa, 3 Caracals, 2 Osprey, 3 Bantams, 2 Kestrels, etc., and a dozen shuttles the last try) edit: On February 20 2009 07:49 General Nuke Em wrote: Would be glad to make a teamliquid channel in game to help out TL guys or whatever if there was a sudden influx of people. awesome, I'll be there in a couple months LOL (don't wait for me I guess  )edit2: rofl, Dune Online | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
On February 20 2009 07:34 Jayme wrote: Sad to see them go if they do. They were the villain basically everyone loved to hate and gave EvE a necessary flair. There is no one around yet to fill such a power vacuum. And you'll probably never see something like BoB again because 1) The Mechanics of the game has changed. If Haargoth Agamar hadn't betrayed BoB, none of this would be happening now. All of this POS warfare shit is boooooooorrrrrrrrrring; wars have become static because no one is able to do anything against jammers. Once the Goons get Sov3 and then Sov4, unless something drastic happens, it's game over for Kenny. The secret to BoB's former success lies in 2 things: 1) Industry/Logistics BoB has sooooo many BPOs that it should be criminal. And their space is so rich and close to empire. Their ability to replenish lost ships was/still is simply a class above many alliances. They could literally outlast opponents, win through attrition. 2) Discipline I refuse to say skill, because honestly, there isn't much skill in piloting a ship. It's like any other game, it comes down to knowledge/setups, you click buttons and ships explode. The difference maker is that their pilots actually follow the instructions that are commanded of them. No so anymore, discipline seems to be lacking in new bob pilots. Well, ok, I take it back. If there is skill in EVE, it lies in FCing. As I said before, BoB's FC seem to be only good at large Fleet fights. And even then, there seems to be a shortage of good FCs in BoB; it's funny reading their complaints on their own forum  There's a real disconnect between Directors/Old BoB members and the grunts of BoB. The regular members don't feel valued and the directors think a lot of their members suck. If you read their boards, you can sense a serious lack of communication. | ||
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