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Gamjadori
Japan131 Posts
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WiljushkA
Serbia1416 Posts
god i had no idea an MMO could get this deep and intense | ||
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kiero
Canada136 Posts
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GinNtoniC
Sweden2461 Posts
I was aware of this event, but not all the details. Thanks ever so much for this post!  | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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chobopeon
United States7339 Posts
On February 20 2009 00:35 Gamjadori wrote: The opening post is 81 pages long. Isn't that some kind of record? hahaha wow wow wow. thats pretty good. | ||
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
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ToT)OjKa(
Korea (South)2230 Posts
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Navane
Netherlands2679 Posts
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hugitout
United States379 Posts
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Jayme
United States5005 Posts
That aside, a lot of players there get resentful when they start losing stuff... and that leads me to the next thing. I honestly think Goonswarm just signed themselves the most annoying enemy possible. BoB players are generally not going to quit as there are quite a few of them with 70-80 million (I have 66million myself but haven't been in BoB in about 5 months) and those players are all going to go SOMEWHERE and most likely TOGETHER. The main players of the group have generally been playing together long before EvE. Any alliance would really kill to have players like this assuming they can get some sort of loyalty assurance. They get a great deal of very skilled pilots that can fly any assorted amount of ships. If BoB finds a way to get a breather and restart they will do so. The basic destruction of their holding alliance was a far bigger blow then it seems on paper. Having your Soverignty reset back to 1 is absolutely crippling. You have no idea what the hell you are supposed to do when something on that scale happens. I am wondering why they haven't really engaged in large numbers though, the people I've spoken too don't really seem that worried which leads me to believe they have some sort of backup plan at the very least. That being said, the lack of Capital ships from BoB is disturbing and should be taken as a warning sign. Contrary to what people might tell you there are NO lack of pilots in that alliance with the ability to properly fit and pilot a dreadnaught/carrier. Significantly less for Titans/Motherships but the most important part of any fleet besides its support are the Dreadnaughts for station destruction. BoB has literally multiple dozens of dreadnaughts and at the very least 6 operational titans... probably closer to a 8 really. This complete lack of capital fleet fielding by BoB is kind of confusing and needs to be watched. They have FAR more at their disposal then they are showing. I love EvE anyway, it's what I believe an MMO should be. Large wars effect the economy and fleet battles mean something. Probably the most realistic simulation of economy and such in existent righ tnow. It's just ... very difficult to get into and has a steep learning curve. | ||
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Falcynn
United States3597 Posts
I can't believe how much control players actually have in this game as opposed to WoW. | ||
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General Nuke Em
United States680 Posts
The main players of the group have generally been playing together long before EvE. Yes, the main players in BoB have always been arrogant, exploiting, powergaming bastards. Previous game they played was called Homeworld, where a lot of the high level Evolution (corp in BoB) directors including Sir Molle (leader of BoB) were all playing together in a clan called Team Freelance. There was/is an exploit in Homeworld called "hybrid scouts" which, for lack of a long winded explanation, is utilizing a bug akin to patrol move/magic box muta micro (but with far less apm/effort) to make your fighters retardedly effective against enemy fighters. There's almost nothing the opponent can do to counter it other than doing the exploit himself. Unsurprisingly, Team Freelance members were among the most vocal defenders of the use of this exploit. I am wondering why they haven't really engaged in large numbers though, the people I've spoken too don't really seem that worried which leads me to believe they have some sort of backup plan at the very least. Unless you're reading the BoB director forums you can pretty much assume whatever their leadership is saying is utter crap. I'm not going to go around declaring victory just yet but BoB resistance at this point is almost nonexistent. I don't know what their secret plan might be, other than that it apparently involves losing all their POS (player owned structure - space fortress things that claim sovereignty) in all their space, because they're losing them at a rate of 50 a day (any given system will often only have anywhere from half a dozen to a dozen such POS from one faction claiming sovereignty). BoB has literally multiple dozens of dreadnaughts and at the very least 6 operational titans... probably closer to a 8 really. This complete lack of capital fleet fielding by BoB is kind of confusing and needs to be watched. They have FAR more at their disposal then they are showing. Your numbers are way off. BoB has something more along the lines of 20 titans (although minus Shrike recently) and the ability to put 300 capital ships on the field just from their own alliance. That can grow to 500-600 if you include all their allies. The coalition has literally taken to dropping 5 carriers on a gate to kill dozen man BoB recon camps because there is literally nothing better for them to do and there is absolutely no fear of reprisal from BoB. | ||
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General Nuke Em
United States680 Posts
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wiesel
Germany727 Posts
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Spike
United States1392 Posts
I am wondering why they haven't really engaged in large numbers The reason BoB hasn't done anything is because they're being perma camped in PR-. For some reason, some director?fc? thought it wise to lock everyone into a single system. They could JC out and try to roam, but they would either 1) get blobbed to death 2) get owned because their roaming gangs are shit. Shit is relative of course; they're still competent but they've been relying so heavily on their BS fleet for so long that they're no longer as good as others (ok, mainly PL) when it comes to small engagements. They might have high SP's so do the other alliances. There's a cutoff point and diminishing returns when it comes to SP. Sure, you have more options but you won't be better than any other specialized character with 30-50 mill SP. They may have an impressive capfleet but so does the coalition. Unless AAA/SE/C0VEN join the fray, the coalition can probably field more caps+support than BoB+Co. And honestly, most of Kenny's (BoB's new nick) pilots are burnt out vets who reminisce about their past glory. Kenny will lose in the long run (some people might even assert that they have been on a gradual decline for a while) because no one wants to join them (yes, I know I am exaggerating). They used to pride themselves on their recruitment; only the best shall be BoB. Those days have long past and the "best" pilots no longer want to join them. Their talent pool have been diluted to hell in trying to match the numbers of Goons+Co. | ||
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Jayme
United States5005 Posts
Your numbers are way off. BoB has something more along the lines of 20 titans (although minus Shrike recently) and the ability to put 300 capital ships on the field just from their own alliance. That can grow to 500-600 if you include all their allies. The coalition has literally taken to dropping 5 carriers on a gate to kill dozen man BoB recon camps because there is literally nothing better for them to do and there is absolutely no fear of reprisal from BoB. You don't field 20 titans in a single battle, that is all sorts of stupid nor do you field 500-600 capital ships, it's a waste of time to coordinate that amount. We're supposed to be talking about reasonable fleet fielding excercises here and 20 titans + 500 capital ships would probably crash servers and stress the logistics of everyone involved even if it were "reasonable" The entire alliance has been far too passive compared to how they usually are and that just screams something is up. I very much doubt they'll simply die off, because even if they lose delve they will just move somewhere else. Correct though, keeping all your ships in one system is fundamental retardation, it's probably a good thing they got caught with their pants down so that they shape up or leave. I have a feeling this will turn into a GNW mark 3. That war was probably the most bitter I was personally involved in with each of the sides pretty much HATING each other and only wishing for the complete and total destruction of the enemy alliance. This fight is far from over, BoB has more resources then they are showing and Goonswarm isn't going to back down without losing a lot of face. They don't have a home to go back to after all. It's either that or BoB has gone into bigger shit then I thought and is now just a waste of space. It wouldn't surprise me as i've been detached from real 0.0 fleet battles for a few months, it lost it's luster. That being said the cut of for diminishing returns in CAPITAL SHIPS is far higher than 30-35million, just knowing how to properly pilot a titan will take upwards of 50 million, and i'd consider that the bare minimum to be caught in one, likewise with a mothership. Most people suggest staying out of gun oriented battleships till you have at least 10 million SP in just gunnery. | ||
IntoTheWow
is awesome31374 Posts
How do you go from being a X guy to having a big ship. etc.... | ||
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Navane
Netherlands2679 Posts
Also the hiding of BoB reminds me of when that guy came with elephants from north-africa to roman Italy, and the italians just refused to fight untill the northafricans left. | ||
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Tsagacity
United States2124 Posts
Except 100x better ofc :D | ||
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