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Brambled
Profile Joined July 2010
United States750 Posts
January 21 2012 10:26 GMT
#1521
Wow.. I just spent 2hrs reading this thread and I think I may try out eve solely because of this...
Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 16:16:20
January 21 2012 16:14 GMT
#1522
On January 21 2012 17:25 Reborn8u wrote:
A little update on the state of Eve and Goons.

As it stands now The Goons have become extremely powerful. They Live in the north now, and control almost all of the tech moons in the game (those are the big money moons!) A few weeks ago goon spies found out that their neighbor to the east (white noise) was having a serious internal dispute. The goons believed they were about to be attacked by White noise, because sometimes war is used to create solidarity. Several months ago, White noise hosted an invasion of Goon space, that goons were able to defend well, this has not been forgotten. However, after finding out about these internal disputes in white noise, and their plans to attack goon space, via their spies, goons setup a massive preemptive first strike.

The results of which was the most one sided beatings and conquering of space since the fall of BOB. White noise simply collapsed under the pressure, and their leadership essentially went AFK. Ironically, over time, some of the former BOB people were residing in and around the area and are once again being crushed by Goons. A few Alliances still hold space in the north but they now find themselves between the Goons and Russians (and friends). While some of the Russians are dealing with their own internal struggles (a civil war broke out in the east recently within Russian space) However, the Russians are still mostly unified and extremely powerful.

After destroying the core of White Noise in mere days, Goons quickly continued there campaign into Raiden space and have made considerable gains. It seems there is no one left in the north who can shut down Goon aggression. While in the south the area that was BOB (which the op is about) has become a Ghetto of constant war. Known to eve players as "the thunder dome" Before the war in the north broke out, this area was basically the Goons play ground, where they would go to fight with the locals for fun.

If the north does completely get taken by Goons, the south will be the last area in Eve that isn't ruled by russians or goons and none of the Sov holding alliances there seem able to stop a full scale invasion by the main power blocks.

Also, before the war broke out ijn the north, Against All Authorities (in the south) was being smashed by a combined effort of some in the north (who the goons are currently killing) and some russian involvement. Luckily for AAA, the war in the north caused much of the aggression to subside for the time being. However, AAA did loose a good portion of their space and won't be able to reclaim it (their eastern border is with the russians) and AAA were in full retreat. AAA did decide not to defend their territory when they were invaded and mitigated the damage as well as one could expect, it is unclear how much actual power they retain.

Also, in the new eve release/update "crucible" there were substantial changes to ships, and super capitals are slightly less god like, but still must be feared. So very few have been willing to commit to substantial engagements using super's.

What's truly ironic is that goons have now essentially become what BOB was when they destroyed it.

+ Show Spoiler +

Below is a map to help you visualize what has been described above.
[image loading]
Area "A" is the space that white noise lost to Goons and friends, the dotted line indicates the former boarder.
Area "B' is Raiden who were non aggressive towards white noise, but didn't try to save them. They may not be able to stop Goons from taking this space and have lost some space already.
Area "D" is a segment of Raiden and the last holdings of white noise (white territory)
The white line around "B" and "D" indicate the only area in the north not aligned with goons or russians. This may all be goon space soon.... it remains to be seen if they can muster enough to stop the Goon advance.
The yellow line indicates Territory controlled by goons and their allies/pets.
The red area is russian space, the letter "C" indicates the area of civil war conflicts between Shadow of xDeathx and Solar fleet.
The area in the south surrounded by white is the last "independent" space that is not aligned with russians or goons.
The "E" indicates the former core of BOB (which the OP is about) and the southern tip of Goon allied space.
For anyone unfamiliar with eve, the black space in the middle of all of this is Empire space (non-claimable)



If I have made any serious errors please feel free to correct me. I'm sure there are plenty who keep better tabs on the large political happenings than me, so some of the information may be outdated, misrepresented or flat out wrong. A lot of this is hear-say. It is entirely possible that I have been misinformed about things.


update: in the last few hours a massive battle has taken place. Raiden and friends have unleashed the Titans. A massive Goon Battleship fleet was crushed. It appears for the time being that Raiden will in fact be able to halt the goon aggression in the North.
Video of the battle here
Here is Raidens kill board, showing 108 billion isk in ships destroyed, with only 15 billion lost.
Raiden killboard
:)
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 21 2012 17:00 GMT
#1523
to clarify some on your main post raiden. and some russian alliances did show up to help wn. more than a couple times (they even won some fights with them, but not on the scale of last night), but wn. collapsed too fast on their own for the outside help to make a real difference.
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
Johnny Business
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1251 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-21 17:41:06
January 21 2012 17:39 GMT
#1524
Most of the call to arms where disbanded before we even undocked when I was in WN and having all your allies formed up and ready for 2 hours just to disband kinda pisses everyone off.
Serious Business
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
January 21 2012 17:47 GMT
#1525
Thanks for the update guys. I loved the op and the updates (human_being) at that time. 0.0 seems somewhat stale now politically- No big enemies around I guess? Always grateful for more stories (skip the videos/screenshots I don't see shit)
11 years and counting- TL #680
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 21 2012 18:25 GMT
#1526
another huge battle over the last 30-45 minutes. (still ongoing?)
http://kb.raidenalliance.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=50621

so far 1 raiden titan down, 1 goon titan barely getting out but still taking heavy heavy losses in hte form of suicide dreadnaughts
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
Nub4ever
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1981 Posts
January 21 2012 18:41 GMT
#1527
Holy Shit.... These things make me want to play this game so bad.... ;_; but can't pay subscription and don't want to spend time grinding da monies -_________-
Dota 3hard5me
RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
January 21 2012 18:46 GMT
#1528
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Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 21 2012 19:15 GMT
#1529
On January 22 2012 03:46 stormtemplar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 03:25 Antoine wrote:
another huge battle over the last 30-45 minutes. (still ongoing?)
http://kb.raidenalliance.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=50621

so far 1 raiden titan down, 1 goon titan barely getting out but still taking heavy heavy losses in hte form of suicide dreadnaughts



Seems to be over as another nice victory for raiden. The question that worries me is that they may not have the resources to trade with the goons and their allies, even 4.5-1

well the raiden. killboad does have some questionable isk values, i'm not sure where everything is coming from just from looking it over (dreads are ~2b each, titans 55-60)
btw that goon titan did go down (killmail) so it was 1 for 1, plus all the dreads does put this battle on the side of raiden.
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
tofucake
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Hyrule19049 Posts
January 21 2012 19:25 GMT
#1530
This battle is messing with our ability to play and we're down in Querious/Delve. Fucking blobs.
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hagon
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom556 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 17:07:13
January 23 2012 16:52 GMT
#1531
The 92D-OI and DCI7-7 fights were epic enough for me to stop being a war profiteer and actually buy a alpha maelstrom. Not much to say, the fight was epic, TiDi works well enough, the fight was, in strategic terms, largely irrelevant. The way insurance works on dread hulls means the ratio is way better than on BS/BC hulls, and of course CFC can tank the isk pretty easily (i.e. from income not strategic reserve). I assume CFC took the fight because they need fights to bring participation up. Taking Tenal from Raiden., I'm not sure they can manage this, although Raiden. players dont have a good history of winning vs. GSF so who knows. What does seem clear is that CFC leadership are considering/have decided on a switch of policy re: supercaps, rather than using CSM bring about game changes to them they simply intent in 12 months time to be able to field a full fleet of supercaps
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
January 23 2012 17:16 GMT
#1532
On January 22 2012 03:46 stormtemplar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2012 03:25 Antoine wrote:
another huge battle over the last 30-45 minutes. (still ongoing?)
http://kb.raidenalliance.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=50621

so far 1 raiden titan down, 1 goon titan barely getting out but still taking heavy heavy losses in hte form of suicide dreadnaughts



Seems to be over as another nice victory for raiden. The question that worries me is that they may not have the resources to trade with the goons and their allies, even 4.5-1


No they do. Resources is a non factor in this war pretty much. Raiden is old money they have been will be and are rich forever and goons have all the tech. Its all about demotivating/demoralizing your opponent into submission/retreat by winning battles. No eve war ever been won/lost by one side running out of stuff to blow up.
OMG you nasty gurl
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34490 Posts
January 23 2012 17:48 GMT
#1533
Oh I love reading this thread, makes 0.0 sound so much more epic than it actually is.
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Mandini
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1717 Posts
January 23 2012 18:10 GMT
#1534
On January 24 2012 02:48 Firebolt145 wrote:
Oh I love reading this thread, makes 0.0 sound so much more epic than it actually is.

But i went on a roam and killed a noctis, thats pretty epic right there.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34490 Posts
January 23 2012 20:05 GMT
#1535
I was more referring to the huge blob v blob and structure bashing.
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Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34490 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-23 20:13:40
January 23 2012 20:07 GMT
#1536
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12204197

1251 vs 922

Raiden kills 250b
Goonswarm and co kill 74b

this is from 2 days ago btw
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RandomAccount#49059
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2140 Posts
January 25 2012 19:43 GMT
#1537
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ghost_403
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1825 Posts
January 25 2012 19:59 GMT
#1538
On January 24 2012 05:07 Firebolt145 wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=12204197

1251 vs 922

Raiden kills 250b
Goonswarm and co kill 74b

this is from 2 days ago btw


The most interesting part of this BR is the fact that the titan downed was ALPHA'D by Raiden titans.

Eve News 24 - Titan Money Shot

(For non-Eve players, alpha'd = one shotted.)
They say great science is built on the shoulders of giants. Not here. At Aperture, we do all our science from scratch, no hand holding. Step aside, REAL SCIENCE coming through.
Firebolt145
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Lalalaland34490 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-25 20:11:31
January 25 2012 20:11 GMT
#1539
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Mandini
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1717 Posts
February 05 2012 07:58 GMT
#1540
Why did I read that whole thing >.>

Oh the things we could do with a few thousand people.
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