On February 13 2009 20:40 stambe wrote: Tekken really is the most complex fighting game i've seen or played, especially Tekken Tag Tournament. But seems like everyone have different opinion. Mastering just one char from tekken(and i mean really mastering it) may take you more than an year if you play competitive, and some fighters are so fucking hard, you may never learn them properly.
okay if you think this, watch this match
tekken is really not that deep and definitely, that the learning period is >1 year, that is not rare in more serious games
Another reason why i like tekken is it resembles real fighting more than any other game, with real moves names like kings and paul. It's way clearer to see everything even to a player who never played the game before. Newer fighting games really have a lot of "special effects" that makes harder to see everything. By the way what's name of the game you gave as an example? Haven't seen it before.
On February 13 2009 20:40 stambe wrote: Tekken really is the most complex fighting game i've seen or played, especially Tekken Tag Tournament. But seems like everyone have different opinion. Mastering just one char from tekken(and i mean really mastering it) may take you more than an year if you play competitive, and some fighters are so fucking hard, you may never learn them properly.
tekken is really not that deep and definitely, that the learning period is >1 year, that is not rare in more serious games
Another reason why i like tekken is it resembles real fighting more than any other game, with real moves names like kings and paul. It's way clearer to see everything even to a player who never played the game before. Newer fighting games really have a lot of "special effects" that makes harder to see everything. By the way what's name of the game you gave as an example? Haven't seen it before.
virtua fighter is more like real fight than tekken imo.
well, in tekken everyone is like a superhuman with the strength of a mammut like a bitch slap for nina makes the opponent flying backward and stuff
it's clearer to see stuff in tekken, that's right, because really there is just one thing at a time what you have to look at.
this game is called Guilty Gear XX, an older installment, Reload, not the current one which is called Accent Core. In this match, the best very best player of the best character plays with the very best player of a weaker character. The character on the left can summon a monster to the ground, in essence making the game 2v1 for a while, while the other character with the scythe can summon invisible traps on the stage.
I've actually only played Tekken Tag (old) and Tekken 5 to any real degree. Soul Calibur on some stupid, summer-night LANs, so that doesn't count. Not gonna put a vote in for that reason, but I'll swear on that it's definately not Tekken. I know, I know, you need to be good enough to have a valid opinion, but I've actually put enough time into it to pull of a champion rank on hard with 2 characters (Baek and Asuka) and played a few good nights of tournaments with semi-nerdy friends. One thing's been constant though; if my gf or some random non-nerd guy shows up, picks a fast fighter and goes apeshit with the controller, he/she still pulls off enough wins to make the entire room go.... "geh -.-"
A friend of mine's actually played international tournaments in Smash Bros and done really well. Watched him play live twice and the flow of the game seems to be much more in the players' hands than in Tekken for example. A hard game, but still not a lot of random stuff, that's more or less out of your control.
So, silent vote for Smash Bros I guess - tho I won't vote in your official poll.
lololol why is killer instinct in there at all ? C-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c-c -ombo breaker
Also I guarantee 90% of the people who voted this doesn't apply to:
if you have played 3 or more of these games and you play them to a good standard using advanced moves from the competitive scene
PS- you left out a bunch of fighting games that lots of people argue to be the best like GG and all those new 5000 hit combo games where you have tons of HP.
PS- Tekken is a joke, too much broken shit in the game like king's easy (what was it 10 hit?) death combo, or even easier is the throw combo. what a joke.
How in the hell could any Super Smash Brothers be even considered? Besides wave dashing and all that crap, the moves are straight forward, right and a, etc. All the other games have much, much deeper move lists
On February 13 2009 23:00 petzergling wrote: ssb autovote
really its deep though, calling ssb a beat em up is like calling starcraft sim city
No dude. It isn't. SSB (with all its complications, etc) really only has 4 special moves (B, upB, sideB, downB) and a bunch of basic attacks. Games like Tekken have hundreds of moves over many different characters that require more than just a [left joystick][click b]. There's a reason why its easier to learn every single move of every character in SSB then it is to learn a single character in Tekken.
Calling ssb a beat em up is more like calling starcraft an RTS. At its base it is what it is. Its that extra skill level that makes the game more. In the end, however, ssb is a beat em up and doesn't require nearly as much skill as 'true' fighter games.
On February 13 2009 23:00 petzergling wrote: ssb autovote
really its deep though, calling ssb a beat em up is like calling starcraft sim city
No dude. It isn't. SSB (with all its complications, etc) really only has 4 special moves (B, upB, sideB, downB) and a bunch of basic attacks. Games like Tekken have hundreds of moves over many different characters that require more than just a [left joystick][click b]. There's a reason why its easier to learn every single move of every character in SSB then it is to learn a single character in Tekken.
Calling ssb a beat em up is more like calling starcraft an RTS. At its base it is what it is. Its that extra skill level that makes the game more. In the end, however, ssb is a beat em up and doesn't require nearly as much skill as 'true' fighter games.
in tekken, you don't use more than the 10 most useful moves of your character outside of combos
I dunno, for most starcraft players I feel MvC2 will speak in its micro/macro levels (assists/combos/3 character choice <-> resource management/unit micro/army composition). Granted theres not much suspense compared to SF and Tekken where players try to fake out the opponent into eating a half-life or full-life combo.
Actually when watched the vids the 1st thing that struck me was apm xD. Forgive the annoying Storm runaway toward the end.
Guilty Gear and SF3 seem to fit more into the "1v1 fighting game" genre (not like the annoying assists in mvc2) and timing (read:mashing) seems to be less forgiving and thus a higher minimum skill level required. just my 2c.
if you have played 3 or more of these games and you play them to a good standard using advanced moves from the competitive scene
PS- you left out a bunch of fighting games that lots of people argue to be the best like GG and all those new 5000 hit combo games where you have tons of HP.
PS- Tekken is a joke, too much broken shit in the game like king's easy (what was it 10 hit?) death combo, or even easier is the throw combo. what a joke.
Do you know what throwbreaks or parries are...? Because the things you listed as "broken" in Tekken are actually a joke. If you tried 10 hit "death combos" or throw chains on any player worth his salt, you will get destroyed horrible.
On February 13 2009 21:34 GinNtoniC wrote: I've actually only played Tekken Tag (old) and Tekken 5 to any real degree. Soul Calibur on some stupid, summer-night LANs, so that doesn't count. Not gonna put a vote in for that reason, but I'll swear on that it's definately not Tekken. I know, I know, you need to be good enough to have a valid opinion, but I've actually put enough time into it to pull of a champion rank on hard with 2 characters (Baek and Asuka) and played a few good nights of tournaments with semi-nerdy friends. One thing's been constant though; if my gf or some random non-nerd guy shows up, picks a fast fighter and goes apeshit with the controller, he/she still pulls off enough wins to make the entire room go.... "geh -.-"
Wait a minute, you're honestly trying to validate your expertise in the game by stating you can beat the computer on hard with two characters and can beat some friends? Yet you admit to losing to "a fast fighter"? I'm not even sure what qualifies as a "fast fighter" to you but Tekken Tag wasn't dominated by the fighters with the fastest frame speeds for sure. (Mishmas ruled that game)
On February 13 2009 23:00 petzergling wrote: ssb autovote
really its deep though, calling ssb a beat em up is like calling starcraft sim city
No dude. It isn't. SSB (with all its complications, etc) really only has 4 special moves (B, upB, sideB, downB) and a bunch of basic attacks. Games like Tekken have hundreds of moves over many different characters that require more than just a [left joystick][click b]. There's a reason why its easier to learn every single move of every character in SSB then it is to learn a single character in Tekken.
Calling ssb a beat em up is more like calling starcraft an RTS. At its base it is what it is. Its that extra skill level that makes the game more. In the end, however, ssb is a beat em up and doesn't require nearly as much skill as 'true' fighter games.
you're a fuckin idiot bro, either that or a troll
the whole "i dont play a game competitively but I'm going to make arguements based on when I played it one time at my friends house" is fucking old dude
edit: easier to learn? I'm sure after a week I could be better then you at tekken having never played it before in my life. You'll never be better then me at ssb and I'm complete garbage compared to most competitive players
.[/QUOTE] edit: easier to learn? I'm sure after a week I could be better then you at tekken having never played it before in my life. You'll never be better then me at ssb and I'm complete garbage compared to most competitive players [/QUOTE]
i believe ssbm is harder than tekken tbh but that doesnt mean tekken takes a day to master.. that comment is ridiculous
On February 13 2009 23:00 petzergling wrote: ssb autovote
On February 14 2009 00:45 petzergling wrote: you're a fuckin idiot bro, either that or a troll
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You come into a 5 page thread, ignore all discussion to autovote for your game, and call someone who disagrees with your completely unsubstantiated opinion a troll. :[
On another note, this thread brought a lot of fg fans into the light, where have yall been in the thread we've got going?
That thread will endlessly masturbate to GG if more people don't come to represent other games.
Edit: Of all marvel videos to post, the classic duc vs sanford? ahvb x 5 and running out the clock? =p
I'd post some marvel, but the game is incomprehensible until you've played it, at which point it becomes laughably simple.
On February 14 2009 00:45 petzergling wrote: you're a fuckin idiot bro, either that or a troll
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You come into a 5 page thread, ignore all discussion to autovote for your game, and call someone who disagrees with your completely unsubstantiated opinion a troll. :[
On another note, this thread brought a lot of fg fans into the light, where have yall been in the thread we've got going?
That thread will endlessly masturbate to GG if more people don't come to represent other games.
Edit: Of all marvel videos to post, the classic duc vs sanford? ahvb x 5 and running out the clock? =p
I'd post some marvel, but the game is incomprehensible until you've played it, at which point it becomes laughably simple.
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