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Going to be a force user for sure. Haters gonna hate, but I'm gonna swing my lightsaber around like a sith lord.
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this game is going to be epic cant wait to play it. probebly going to end up playing a trooper because every1 is going to play jedi..
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On June 06 2011 12:29 Lamppost wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 11:45 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 10:56 Zerothegreat wrote:On June 06 2011 10:46 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 10:39 deth wrote:On June 06 2011 09:30 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 09:19 smallerk wrote:On June 06 2011 09:14 Fruscainte wrote:
So EA has pretty much confirmed that SWTOR along with another 150 PC releases will be Digital Purchase Exclusives, and that you have to buy them from Origin -- a digital downloader like Steam that EA made except exceptionally worse.
I dont know how I could be any more turned off by this game at this point. I dont really care how i download the game or don't, as long as the game is good i dont give a fuck about EA's douchbaggery, after all , its still bioware making the game, and that is all that matters. The reason games are $60 is because there is usually a middle man holding the game, even in Digital Distribution. When EA is directly getting the money from this, not only is there no reason for this game to be $60 except out of pure greed but the fact that I would be required to download ANOTHER downloader, would have to use that downloader and keep it online and use my bandwith with it just to play that game and won't have the access to my Steam friends while in-game like I would otherwise, yes, I would take that as an issue here that would be game breaking. It's unnecessary hindrances. You can't even buy the game from stores, you HAVE to download their downloader and use it. Stop spreading misinformation. The digital-only copy will be exclusive through EA's version of steam, but you can buy the hard copy from stores, install and play as you have with any other game in the past. How is it misinformation saying that the only digital distribution will be from a shitty steam knockoff that is an unnecessary hindrance to those like me who only buy shit online? Don't kid yourself into thinking this game as well as almost every other game released these days in terms of PC gaming aren't primarily making revenue and sales from Digital Distribution. EDIT: Let me clarify When a game like SWTOR is coming out that is going to make or break Bioware and their future, is so heavily invested in, and is being so heavily scrutinized by the community because of how hyped they put it out to be and how average it's turning out to be; forcing your customers who want to download it online (which is a HUGE portion of PC gamers) to download some quasi-Steam service that EA just created creates unnecessary problems and will inevitably be buggy and will only ruin their sales, not increase it. I'm not saying they need to port it to Steam, even though that would be ideal for them, this is all kind of silly. I mean, for WoW for instance you could just direct download off their website no problem. No one is forcing you to do anything. Get out, see the world for a bit, and while you're at it purchase from the store  Contributing comment, right here. And sorry, closest game store is over an hour away. I think I'll pass. But good job completely missing the point / dodging it. He didn't miss the point at all. You're just being a drama queen about an issues that are not even there. Fact is there's no one who could make you change your opinion at this point. If you think that EA won't make improvements on there download server that's your fault. If you're really turn upside down by how greedy game companies are go play a 5$ indie.
Still missing the point.
I'm simply saying forcing users who prefer DD (which is a large portion) to download a new downloader to play one game that doesn't even offer other games other than games EA is releasing is simply not good business. It will only detract from sales, not help them.
That's my point. And if you're denying that restricting ways to make sales unnecessarily will take away sales, go take a middle school economics class and come back here and talk.
I made a legitimate negative claim about this game in terms of how you buy it in terms of convenience, and I get jumped on for "spreading lies" and "finding reasons to hate this game" You can like or hate this game, no game is objectively bad even though I think this game looks unbearably bland and average compared to the hype it got (hint: not saying it's bad). I'm just saying this is extremely inconvenient and a stupid move to advertise EA's new downloader which will only hurt SWTOR
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On June 06 2011 23:18 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 12:29 Lamppost wrote:On June 06 2011 11:45 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 10:56 Zerothegreat wrote:On June 06 2011 10:46 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 10:39 deth wrote:On June 06 2011 09:30 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 09:19 smallerk wrote:On June 06 2011 09:14 Fruscainte wrote:
So EA has pretty much confirmed that SWTOR along with another 150 PC releases will be Digital Purchase Exclusives, and that you have to buy them from Origin -- a digital downloader like Steam that EA made except exceptionally worse.
I dont know how I could be any more turned off by this game at this point. I dont really care how i download the game or don't, as long as the game is good i dont give a fuck about EA's douchbaggery, after all , its still bioware making the game, and that is all that matters. The reason games are $60 is because there is usually a middle man holding the game, even in Digital Distribution. When EA is directly getting the money from this, not only is there no reason for this game to be $60 except out of pure greed but the fact that I would be required to download ANOTHER downloader, would have to use that downloader and keep it online and use my bandwith with it just to play that game and won't have the access to my Steam friends while in-game like I would otherwise, yes, I would take that as an issue here that would be game breaking. It's unnecessary hindrances. You can't even buy the game from stores, you HAVE to download their downloader and use it. Stop spreading misinformation. The digital-only copy will be exclusive through EA's version of steam, but you can buy the hard copy from stores, install and play as you have with any other game in the past. How is it misinformation saying that the only digital distribution will be from a shitty steam knockoff that is an unnecessary hindrance to those like me who only buy shit online? Don't kid yourself into thinking this game as well as almost every other game released these days in terms of PC gaming aren't primarily making revenue and sales from Digital Distribution. EDIT: Let me clarify When a game like SWTOR is coming out that is going to make or break Bioware and their future, is so heavily invested in, and is being so heavily scrutinized by the community because of how hyped they put it out to be and how average it's turning out to be; forcing your customers who want to download it online (which is a HUGE portion of PC gamers) to download some quasi-Steam service that EA just created creates unnecessary problems and will inevitably be buggy and will only ruin their sales, not increase it. I'm not saying they need to port it to Steam, even though that would be ideal for them, this is all kind of silly. I mean, for WoW for instance you could just direct download off their website no problem. No one is forcing you to do anything. Get out, see the world for a bit, and while you're at it purchase from the store Contributing comment, right here. And sorry, closest game store is over an hour away. I think I'll pass. But good job completely missing the point / dodging it. He didn't miss the point at all. You're just being a drama queen about an issues that are not even there. Fact is there's no one who could make you change your opinion at this point. If you think that EA won't make improvements on there download server that's your fault. If you're really turn upside down by how greedy game companies are go play a 5$ indie. Still missing the point. I'm simply saying forcing users who prefer DD (which is a large portion) to download a new downloader to play one game that doesn't even offer other games other than games EA is releasing is simply not good business. It will only detract from sales, not help them. That's my point. And if you're denying that restricting ways to make sales unnecessarily will take away sales, go take a middle school economics class and come back here and talk. I made a legitimate negative claim about this game in terms of how you buy it in terms of convenience, and I get jumped on for "spreading lies" and "finding reasons to hate this game" You can like or hate this game, no game is objectively bad even though I think this game looks unbearably bland and average compared to the hype it got (hint: not saying it's bad). I'm just saying this is extremely inconvenient and a stupid move to advertise EA's new downloader which will only hurt SWTOR
Yet you are already using another product or two that is running under the exact same ideas.
Blizzard has it's own downloader, you can't find it on any other platform (steam, impulse...), and the only real difference is... well... I don't know... a different publisher name? If you bought a box copy of SC2 more than likely you could just chuck those cds in the garbage and it would make no real difference other than "maybe" saving sometime if you install it again on low bandwidth.
If they want to cut out the middlemen out there by skipping the Box step entirely... more power to them I say.
My only fear with regards to this is that if this game is a fairly big commercial success there might be a push for taxing digital distribution in several countries.
I don't get the complaints about using another downloader though... I use impulse for Stardock games, it works fine, it doesn't hinder me in any way unless I let it and when it comes to an MMO I really don't care about things like Steamfriends and prefer for the game to supply me in that department.
I'll reserve judgment for when the game launches, but to me they would need to do a whole lot of stupid for this to bug me even remotely.
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On June 06 2011 23:18 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 12:29 Lamppost wrote:On June 06 2011 11:45 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 10:56 Zerothegreat wrote:On June 06 2011 10:46 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 10:39 deth wrote:On June 06 2011 09:30 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 09:19 smallerk wrote:On June 06 2011 09:14 Fruscainte wrote:
So EA has pretty much confirmed that SWTOR along with another 150 PC releases will be Digital Purchase Exclusives, and that you have to buy them from Origin -- a digital downloader like Steam that EA made except exceptionally worse.
I dont know how I could be any more turned off by this game at this point. I dont really care how i download the game or don't, as long as the game is good i dont give a fuck about EA's douchbaggery, after all , its still bioware making the game, and that is all that matters. The reason games are $60 is because there is usually a middle man holding the game, even in Digital Distribution. When EA is directly getting the money from this, not only is there no reason for this game to be $60 except out of pure greed but the fact that I would be required to download ANOTHER downloader, would have to use that downloader and keep it online and use my bandwith with it just to play that game and won't have the access to my Steam friends while in-game like I would otherwise, yes, I would take that as an issue here that would be game breaking. It's unnecessary hindrances. You can't even buy the game from stores, you HAVE to download their downloader and use it. Stop spreading misinformation. The digital-only copy will be exclusive through EA's version of steam, but you can buy the hard copy from stores, install and play as you have with any other game in the past. How is it misinformation saying that the only digital distribution will be from a shitty steam knockoff that is an unnecessary hindrance to those like me who only buy shit online? Don't kid yourself into thinking this game as well as almost every other game released these days in terms of PC gaming aren't primarily making revenue and sales from Digital Distribution. EDIT: Let me clarify When a game like SWTOR is coming out that is going to make or break Bioware and their future, is so heavily invested in, and is being so heavily scrutinized by the community because of how hyped they put it out to be and how average it's turning out to be; forcing your customers who want to download it online (which is a HUGE portion of PC gamers) to download some quasi-Steam service that EA just created creates unnecessary problems and will inevitably be buggy and will only ruin their sales, not increase it. I'm not saying they need to port it to Steam, even though that would be ideal for them, this is all kind of silly. I mean, for WoW for instance you could just direct download off their website no problem. No one is forcing you to do anything. Get out, see the world for a bit, and while you're at it purchase from the store Contributing comment, right here. And sorry, closest game store is over an hour away. I think I'll pass. But good job completely missing the point / dodging it. He didn't miss the point at all. You're just being a drama queen about an issues that are not even there. Fact is there's no one who could make you change your opinion at this point. If you think that EA won't make improvements on there download server that's your fault. If you're really turn upside down by how greedy game companies are go play a 5$ indie. Still missing the point. I'm simply saying forcing users who prefer DD (which is a large portion) to download a new downloader to play one game that doesn't even offer other games other than games EA is releasing is simply not good business. It will only detract from sales, not help them. That's my point. And if you're denying that restricting ways to make sales unnecessarily will take away sales, go take a middle school economics class and come back here and talk. I made a legitimate negative claim about this game in terms of how you buy it in terms of convenience, and I get jumped on for "spreading lies" and "finding reasons to hate this game" You can like or hate this game, no game is objectively bad even though I think this game looks unbearably bland and average compared to the hype it got (hint: not saying it's bad). I'm just saying this is extremely inconvenient and a stupid move to advertise EA's new downloader which will only hurt SWTOR
Yeah having to install a small piece of software, such an inconvenience OH WAIT ... no its not.
Like, your argument just doesnt even make sense. Its a downloader, as the above poster pointed out its hardly much different from the blizz downloader.
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Hey all,
So for those of you who intend on playing the game: I am planning on creating a guild with some RL friends and old WoW buddies, in fact thanks to BW allowing guilds to be created ahead of time, we already have one.
Now under normal circumstances I wouldn't advertise a non TL named guild here, but it seems most guilds in other games bearing the TL are rather hardcore and rightly so, to express the awesomeness that is TL. Our guild is planning to be a bit more casual, but still stay up to par on content. Mostly pve focused, so feel free to check us out and apply if you're interested. Additional info is located on the page below
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On June 07 2011 00:37 Battleaxe wrote:Hey all, So for those of you who intend on playing the game: I am planning on creating a guild with some RL friends and old WoW buddies, in fact thanks to BW allowing guilds to be created ahead of time, we already have one. Now under normal circumstances I wouldn't advertise a non TL named guild here, but it seems most guilds in other games bearing the TL are rather hardcore and rightly so, to express the awesomeness that is TL. Our guild is planning to be a bit more casual, but still stay up to par on content. Mostly pve focused, so feel free to check us out and apply if you're interested. Additional info is located on the page below + Show Spoiler +
Name's a bit duff imo but that can be forgiven  Is this Republic or Empire though?
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Is anything even known about regions (EU, NA, Asia, ..)?
Will servers be region locked like WoW or more "free" like i.e. FF?
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I think I'll pick this up from the store. If this is anything like steam on an anticipated steam release (portal 2 most recently) the download servers at the least will be bogged down.
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On June 07 2011 01:10 Playguuu wrote:
I think I'll pick this up from the store. If this is anything like steam on an anticipated steam release (portal 2 most recently) the download servers at the least will be bogged down.
From what I'm reading you won't be able to... However since it's an MMO, you'll likely be able to get the client before launch. Login servers are usually the issue on launch day.
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On June 07 2011 01:42 Furycrab wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 01:10 Playguuu wrote:
I think I'll pick this up from the store. If this is anything like steam on an anticipated steam release (portal 2 most recently) the download servers at the least will be bogged down. From what I'm reading you won't be able to... However since it's an MMO, you'll likely be able to get the client before launch. Login servers are usually the issue on launch day.
Won't be able to what? You can still get a boxed copy. One of the CMs over at the game site cleared that up shortly after the Origin announcement.
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On June 07 2011 01:06 Zocat wrote:
Is anything even known about regions (EU, NA, Asia, ..)?
Will servers be region locked like WoW or more "free" like i.e. FF?
No details on that right now, afaik. Hopefully we'll get some of that info this week, but I can't speculate as to its likelihood.
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In case anyone reading the thread has not gotten the hint:
Originally Posted by StephenReid'Choose' was always going to be shown at the E3 press conference. Unfortunately for us, we had a timing issue which put it live on Origin.com before the conference started. 'Return' we saved for our fans worldwide, debuting it on The Old Republic website at the same time the press conference started. If you haven't watched it yet, see it here. 'Return' is also the intro cinematic to The Old Republic - you'll see it when you start the game. There will be no release date announced during E3 2011, and no pre-order details either. Our release date window has not changed. We are still aiming to release Star Wars: The Old Republic in the second half of 2011.While I know many of you believed a release date announcement was going to happen - which is understandable - as I've said before, an announcement of that size will effectively be 'pre-announced', and we will not 'bait and switch' you. We aren't going to lay a trail of subtle clues that lead to a release date announcement. We'll be obvious. We're just not there yet. E3's not over yet, though. This week we'll be allowing the world's media and fan sites to get hands-on with The Old Republic at the EA booth, and they'll be reporting back on their experiences on Tatooine as well as seeing gameplay on Alderaan. Last but not least, they'll get a glimpse at Operation: Eternity Vault, some of the high-end content in The Old Republic. We're bringing much of this to you on The Old Republic web site this week, so keep checking back - although I will pre-warn you, our Alderaan coverage will be slightly delayed (look for it in a few weeks). I know many of you are disappointed. I know you want a release date - believe me, all of us know that. It is coming, I promise, and you'll hear about it before it arrives - not through subtle clues, but through obvious signs.
Emphasis added.
EDIT: Main BioWare/TOR event is tomorrow. That's when we'll get more stuff. Juicy, informational stuff.
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That new trailer made me want the game more than ever.
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On June 07 2011 00:36 deth wrote:Show nested quote +On June 06 2011 23:18 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 12:29 Lamppost wrote:On June 06 2011 11:45 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 10:56 Zerothegreat wrote:On June 06 2011 10:46 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 10:39 deth wrote:On June 06 2011 09:30 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 09:19 smallerk wrote:On June 06 2011 09:14 Fruscainte wrote:
So EA has pretty much confirmed that SWTOR along with another 150 PC releases will be Digital Purchase Exclusives, and that you have to buy them from Origin -- a digital downloader like Steam that EA made except exceptionally worse.
I dont know how I could be any more turned off by this game at this point. I dont really care how i download the game or don't, as long as the game is good i dont give a fuck about EA's douchbaggery, after all , its still bioware making the game, and that is all that matters. The reason games are $60 is because there is usually a middle man holding the game, even in Digital Distribution. When EA is directly getting the money from this, not only is there no reason for this game to be $60 except out of pure greed but the fact that I would be required to download ANOTHER downloader, would have to use that downloader and keep it online and use my bandwith with it just to play that game and won't have the access to my Steam friends while in-game like I would otherwise, yes, I would take that as an issue here that would be game breaking. It's unnecessary hindrances. You can't even buy the game from stores, you HAVE to download their downloader and use it. Stop spreading misinformation. The digital-only copy will be exclusive through EA's version of steam, but you can buy the hard copy from stores, install and play as you have with any other game in the past. How is it misinformation saying that the only digital distribution will be from a shitty steam knockoff that is an unnecessary hindrance to those like me who only buy shit online? Don't kid yourself into thinking this game as well as almost every other game released these days in terms of PC gaming aren't primarily making revenue and sales from Digital Distribution. EDIT: Let me clarify When a game like SWTOR is coming out that is going to make or break Bioware and their future, is so heavily invested in, and is being so heavily scrutinized by the community because of how hyped they put it out to be and how average it's turning out to be; forcing your customers who want to download it online (which is a HUGE portion of PC gamers) to download some quasi-Steam service that EA just created creates unnecessary problems and will inevitably be buggy and will only ruin their sales, not increase it. I'm not saying they need to port it to Steam, even though that would be ideal for them, this is all kind of silly. I mean, for WoW for instance you could just direct download off their website no problem. No one is forcing you to do anything. Get out, see the world for a bit, and while you're at it purchase from the store Contributing comment, right here. And sorry, closest game store is over an hour away. I think I'll pass. But good job completely missing the point / dodging it. He didn't miss the point at all. You're just being a drama queen about an issues that are not even there. Fact is there's no one who could make you change your opinion at this point. If you think that EA won't make improvements on there download server that's your fault. If you're really turn upside down by how greedy game companies are go play a 5$ indie. Still missing the point. I'm simply saying forcing users who prefer DD (which is a large portion) to download a new downloader to play one game that doesn't even offer other games other than games EA is releasing is simply not good business. It will only detract from sales, not help them. That's my point. And if you're denying that restricting ways to make sales unnecessarily will take away sales, go take a middle school economics class and come back here and talk. I made a legitimate negative claim about this game in terms of how you buy it in terms of convenience, and I get jumped on for "spreading lies" and "finding reasons to hate this game" You can like or hate this game, no game is objectively bad even though I think this game looks unbearably bland and average compared to the hype it got (hint: not saying it's bad). I'm just saying this is extremely inconvenient and a stupid move to advertise EA's new downloader which will only hurt SWTOR Yeah having to install a small piece of software, such an inconvenience OH WAIT ... no its not.
So you're saying restricting ways to make sales doesn't take away sales?
Back to middle school and take a basic economics class.
Before you post: I'm not saying this makes it a bad game, I'm saying it's an unnecessary move to advertise their new system that will only take away.
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NERD CHILLS ALL OVER MY BODY!
Holy shit, that trailer was awesome though, Smuggler was the one class I was pretty sure I wasn't going to be but after seeing Johnny Marston kicking ass, I'm having second and third doubts about it! So awesome!
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On June 07 2011 05:59 Fruscainte wrote:Show nested quote +On June 07 2011 00:36 deth wrote:On June 06 2011 23:18 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 12:29 Lamppost wrote:On June 06 2011 11:45 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 10:56 Zerothegreat wrote:On June 06 2011 10:46 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 10:39 deth wrote:On June 06 2011 09:30 Fruscainte wrote:On June 06 2011 09:19 smallerk wrote:
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I dont really care how i download the game or don't, as long as the game is good i dont give a fuck about EA's douchbaggery, after all , its still bioware making the game, and that is all that matters. The reason games are $60 is because there is usually a middle man holding the game, even in Digital Distribution. When EA is directly getting the money from this, not only is there no reason for this game to be $60 except out of pure greed but the fact that I would be required to download ANOTHER downloader, would have to use that downloader and keep it online and use my bandwith with it just to play that game and won't have the access to my Steam friends while in-game like I would otherwise, yes, I would take that as an issue here that would be game breaking. It's unnecessary hindrances. You can't even buy the game from stores, you HAVE to download their downloader and use it. Stop spreading misinformation. The digital-only copy will be exclusive through EA's version of steam, but you can buy the hard copy from stores, install and play as you have with any other game in the past. How is it misinformation saying that the only digital distribution will be from a shitty steam knockoff that is an unnecessary hindrance to those like me who only buy shit online? Don't kid yourself into thinking this game as well as almost every other game released these days in terms of PC gaming aren't primarily making revenue and sales from Digital Distribution. EDIT: Let me clarify When a game like SWTOR is coming out that is going to make or break Bioware and their future, is so heavily invested in, and is being so heavily scrutinized by the community because of how hyped they put it out to be and how average it's turning out to be; forcing your customers who want to download it online (which is a HUGE portion of PC gamers) to download some quasi-Steam service that EA just created creates unnecessary problems and will inevitably be buggy and will only ruin their sales, not increase it. I'm not saying they need to port it to Steam, even though that would be ideal for them, this is all kind of silly. I mean, for WoW for instance you could just direct download off their website no problem. No one is forcing you to do anything. Get out, see the world for a bit, and while you're at it purchase from the store Contributing comment, right here. And sorry, closest game store is over an hour away. I think I'll pass. But good job completely missing the point / dodging it. He didn't miss the point at all. You're just being a drama queen about an issues that are not even there. Fact is there's no one who could make you change your opinion at this point. If you think that EA won't make improvements on there download server that's your fault. If you're really turn upside down by how greedy game companies are go play a 5$ indie. Still missing the point. I'm simply saying forcing users who prefer DD (which is a large portion) to download a new downloader to play one game that doesn't even offer other games other than games EA is releasing is simply not good business. It will only detract from sales, not help them. That's my point. And if you're denying that restricting ways to make sales unnecessarily will take away sales, go take a middle school economics class and come back here and talk. I made a legitimate negative claim about this game in terms of how you buy it in terms of convenience, and I get jumped on for "spreading lies" and "finding reasons to hate this game" You can like or hate this game, no game is objectively bad even though I think this game looks unbearably bland and average compared to the hype it got (hint: not saying it's bad). I'm just saying this is extremely inconvenient and a stupid move to advertise EA's new downloader which will only hurt SWTOR Yeah having to install a small piece of software, such an inconvenience OH WAIT ... no its not. So you're saying restricting ways to make sales doesn't take away sales? Back to middle school and take a basic economics class. Before you post: I'm not saying this makes it a bad game, I'm saying it's an unnecessary move to advertise their new system that will only take away.
However they are far from the first ones to even start this approach. Stardock has done this for a while now with Impulse, and it's been great for international games that might otherwise not have gotten any retail release.
Blizzard pretty much gives you a Dvd with whatever gold version was deemed "ok" to release and a bunch of codes to put into the downloader to eventually have an account. Steam started the exact same way before it became big enough that other publishers decided to ask to step in knowing that pretty much any price Valve would charge them it would be less than the 3-4 middlemen that will charge them for a retail release.
So what's really annoying you? Are you annoyed that they are doing something similar to everybody else? Or that by having an EA store it means they won't go on Steam along with future products meaning you might have to manage 2-3 different clients?
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I want this game so bad after seeing that trailer :o
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