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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On August 07 2008 09:46 FragKrag wrote: Err, belly drum was in GSC, not RBY I said with the advent of Belly Drum he became even more widely used. But along with Machamp he was a pretty huge Physical Sweeper in RBY. | ||
semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On August 07 2008 09:46 FragKrag wrote: Err, belly drum was in GSC, not RBY and? you said no fire type has ever been a staple in competitive play. In GS bellyzard was OU and charizard was still BL in RBY interesting fact though: typhlosion and charizard have the exact same stats, just different move pools | ||
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Chameleon
United States604 Posts
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FragKrag
United States11567 Posts
On August 07 2008 09:59 fusionsdf wrote: and? you said no fire type has ever been a staple in competitive play. In GS bellyzard was OU and charizard was still BL in RBY interesting fact though: typhlosion and charizard have the exact same stats, just different move pools ha, my bad. When I said that, I meant RBY, and Salac Berry wasn't available in GSC so you end up with a 50% Charizard that is open to a good Rock Slide. I said with the advent of Belly Drum he became even more widely used. But along with Machamp he was a pretty huge Physical Sweeper in RBY. Persian, Sandslash, Tauros, and Machamp are all better than Charizard as physical sweepers, because they didn't have that fatal weakness (though Machamp's psychic was a bit annoying). Tauros can STAB Hyper Beam, Body Slam or pull off a Blizzard/Earthquake. Machamp can just be a machamp and own shit up. Persian can STAB Hyper Beam, and Slash, or Bubblebeam that Rhydon/Golem, OR Thunderbolt that Gengar for Paralysis. Sandslash can Swords Dance, Earthquake (STAB LOL), and Rock Slide your charizard. Charizard can pull off a decent Earthquake, and it just ends there. | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On August 07 2008 10:20 FragKrag wrote: ha, my bad. When I said that, I meant RBY, and Salac Berry wasn't available in GSC so you end up with a 50% Charizard that is open to a good Rock Slide. Persian, Sandslash, Tauros, and Machamp are all better than Charizard as physical sweepers, because they didn't have that fatal weakness (though Machamp's psychic was a bit annoying). Tauros can STAB Hyper Beam, Body Slam or pull off a Blizzard/Earthquake. Machamp can just be a machamp and own shit up. Persian can STAB Hyper Beam, and Slash, or Bubblebeam that Rhydon/Golem, OR Thunderbolt that Gengar for Paralysis. Sandslash can Swords Dance, Earthquake (STAB LOL), and Rock Slide your charizard. Charizard can pull off a decent Earthquake, and it just ends there. I forgot about Sandslash. I am aware that a fairly decent amount of successful teams did thrown in Charizard as both a mixed and physical sweeper. In R/B/Y, but mostly in G/S/C | ||
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FragKrag
United States11567 Posts
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Jonoman92
United States9110 Posts
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jingXD
United States283 Posts
If we want the former, I don't have much input because I've really only played pokemon when I was too young to care about"tailoring my team to beat the metagame," but it seems that most people agree that charmander is not a good choice for this. If we want the latter, I would have to go for charmander or bulbasaur (I usually get gyarados as my water type). Since this is blue version, I'm leaning toward charmander just because there is no growlithe and thus no early fire type pokemon that is decent. Charmander has ember, learns flamethrower relatively early, and completely owns the bug and grass gyms. Also, since Brock comes early (that's what she said!), I don't think he is easily beatable with charmander as long as you train a bit in the beginning. Misty can easily be beaten with a Pikachu caught in Viridian forest. Of course, it is important to keep in mind that training charmander on metapods and catching pikachu (pretty rare) is rather time consuming. | ||
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Chameleon
United States604 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On August 07 2008 10:53 jingXD wrote: We should clarify what our intentions for this round is. Do we actually want to build a tourney-level team or do we just want to crush trainers and gym leaders? If we want the former, I don't have much input because I've really only played pokemon when I was too young to care about"tailoring my team to beat the metagame," but it seems that most people agree that charmander is not a good choice for this. If we want the latter, I would have to go for charmander or bulbasaur (I usually get gyarados as my water type). Since this is blue version, I'm leaning toward charmander just because there is no growlithe and thus no early fire type pokemon that is decent. Charmander has ember, learns flamethrower relatively early, and completely owns the bug and grass gyms. Also, since Brock comes early (that's what she said!), I don't think he is easily beatable with charmander as long as you train a bit in the beginning. Misty can easily be beaten with a Pikachu caught in Viridian forest. Of course, it is important to keep in mind that training charmander on metapods and catching pikachu (pretty rare) is rather time consuming. It's just for fun. We can discuss tournament stuff, but mostly this should be for fun. So don't get angry at eachother because you guys didn't pick the best movesets, or the best teams. | ||
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
On August 07 2008 11:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: It's just for fun. We can discuss tournament stuff, but mostly this should be for fun. So don't get angry at eachother because you guys didn't pick the best movesets, or the best teams. if anything, this is an opportunity to deviate from the normal Pokemon experience and do something crazy!!! | ||
alffla
Hong Kong20321 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
On August 07 2008 10:20 FragKrag wrote: ha, my bad. When I said that, I meant RBY, and Salac Berry wasn't available in GSC so you end up with a 50% Charizard that is open to a good Rock Slide. Persian, Sandslash, Tauros, and Machamp are all better than Charizard as physical sweepers, because they didn't have that fatal weakness (though Machamp's psychic was a bit annoying). Tauros can STAB Hyper Beam, Body Slam or pull off a Blizzard/Earthquake. Machamp can just be a machamp and own shit up. Persian can STAB Hyper Beam, and Slash, or Bubblebeam that Rhydon/Golem, OR Thunderbolt that Gengar for Paralysis. Sandslash can Swords Dance, Earthquake (STAB LOL), and Rock Slide your charizard. Charizard can pull off a decent Earthquake, and it just ends there. then why is persian UU in everything but RYB? and why is sandslash UU in pretty much everything as well? | ||
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
On August 07 2008 11:36 alffla wrote: wait wtf TOURNEY LEVEL? i never knew pokemon was so deep and complex. plz explain. also this thread seems fun hahah. Yeah. People train hardcore teams of pokemon, and do ridiculous things because of hidden stats (EV's and IV's) and will breed pokemon for hours to get certain moves and the best stats. Releasing and recatching pokemon to get the right hidden power. And then they enter into a team where they do extreme link battles for badass prizes. The loser is executed. | ||
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anch
United States5457 Posts
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LuMiX
China5758 Posts
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DoctorHelvetica
United States15034 Posts
Remember, I'll be doing section 1 around midnight, so start discussing which pokemon if any should I catch? Pidgey, Rattat, neither, both? What levels should I train to until I go on to Viridian City? | ||
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FragKrag
United States11567 Posts
On August 07 2008 11:36 fusionsdf wrote: then why is persian UU in everything but RYB? and why is sandslash UU in pretty much everything as well? Because machamp and tauros are just too good at what they do. In the quote, he mentioned Charizard as a good sweeper for RBY, and RBY is completely different from any other pokemon game because of it's "special" stat. Sandslash and Persian suffer the same fate as Rhydon and Hypno. They are good, but not good enough to top the others. Neither nor pidgey and rattata. Pidgey just sucks, and raticate is a 1 trick pony. Go get a nidoran and spearow. | ||
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Nightmarjoo
United States3360 Posts
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