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On April 20 2010 07:58 JeeJee wrote:
rules like no bd are fucking stupid
if the game allows it, it should be a go. obvious exceptions are ones that crash the game or stuff like that. otherwise, if the game can't handle it, it's a bad game. plus with constant patching there's no reason for it to not be fixed, unless you can't logically lay out what is backdoor, in which case, what the fuck are you banning anyway
totally agree. I find that if something is physically possible, it should be allowed, except for obvious exploits/bugs that are usually patched asap.
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no bd discussions/arguements pl0x, quite pointless ;p
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On April 20 2010 08:42 Elegance wrote:
no bd discussions/arguements pl0x, quite pointless ;p
you'd rather have off-topic and pointless 'ze' shit spewed all over the thread instead?
and yes, i'm mad, REAL MAD.
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On April 20 2010 08:43 paper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 08:42 Elegance wrote:
no bd discussions/arguements pl0x, quite pointless ;p you'd rather have off-topic and pointless 'ze' shit spewed all over the thread instead? and yes, i'm mad, REAL MAD.
Sure why not ;p
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On April 20 2010 08:43 paper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 08:42 Elegance wrote:
no bd discussions/arguements pl0x, quite pointless ;p you'd rather have off-topic and pointless 'ze' shit spewed all over the thread instead? and yes, i'm mad, REAL MAD.
you mad ze?
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On April 20 2010 08:43 paper wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 08:42 Elegance wrote:
no bd discussions/arguements pl0x, quite pointless ;p you'd rather have off-topic and pointless 'ze' shit spewed all over the thread instead? and yes, i'm mad, REAL MAD.
yeah im gonna agree with paper here and say its nice to have doter talk sometimes, in between the ze shit.
also, lmnop you are a fag. and elegance i don't know who u are but ur a fag too.
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On April 20 2010 08:45 Elemenope wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 08:43 paper wrote:On April 20 2010 08:42 Elegance wrote:
no bd discussions/arguements pl0x, quite pointless ;p you'd rather have off-topic and pointless 'ze' shit spewed all over the thread instead? and yes, i'm mad, REAL MAD. you mad ze?
nah.
edit: yes.
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On April 20 2010 08:30 Nitrogen wrote:
uhh pretty much all the things you listed are applicable for a carry to solo push a tower with creeps there...
You can see the creep line pushing up ahead of time though, and the solo push is there for sure, seen enough Morphs/Specters/PotMs do it. That's a dilemma teams have some control over, having some random, out of the blue BD isn't something you plan ahead for and/or can respond properly for.
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BD is valid imo why because you can do it it's not like bd when dota first game out with clinx just sniping the tree or w.e it's taking out towers or w.e it's risky for them because that means they don't have people to defend etc.
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On April 20 2010 09:01 semantics wrote:
BD is valid imo why because you can do it it's not like bd when dota first game out with clinx just sniping the tree or w.e it's taking out towers or w.e it's risky for them because that means they don't have people to defend etc.
wtf is this shit
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So guys, I just want a word of clarification here. Why is it bad mannered to kill a tower when no creeps are around?
If your team has no TP/posthaste/ANYTHING to get over there, then oh well you failed, why is it such a big deal?
This is mostly for HoN too, DOTA is beyond me.
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Support chipper build pls kgo. Also does using his shield with devourer early game instead of his tar or rockets pay off?
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On April 20 2010 09:36 N3rV[Green] wrote:
So guys, I just want a word of clarification here. Why is it bad mannered to kill a tower when no creeps are around?
If your team has no TP/posthaste/ANYTHING to get over there, then oh well you failed, why is it such a big deal?
This is mostly for HoN too, DOTA is beyond me.
cause hon/dota communities are a bunch of whiners and are too lazy to think about the game so instead they ban anything they deem overpowered. i can only imagine what games like gunz would've been if they banned "overpowered" strats without actually taking the time to play with them and figure them out.
out of curiosity to all the nobd supporters: why haven't the devs fixed it if it's oh so bad?
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On April 20 2010 08:24 Judicator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 07:35 rabidch wrote:On April 20 2010 07:18 milo wrote:
Gonna ask a DOTA question here in the DOTA thread:
Backdooring: is this considered a low blow all around, or just at certain points in the game, or just a pub bnet thing, or what? I don't follow the pro scene at all, is it considered a legit tactic there?
I'm wondering because: I was pubbing with 2 friends a few days ago. 5v5, our other two teammates are bot lane and promptly go 0-4 and 0-5. We call them out on this and they accuse us of being jerks and 'threaten to feed' (irony much), so we kick them. Down 9 kills and 2 players, we hold on as Phantom Lancer (me), Warlock, and Earthshaker. After about 45 minutes we're tired of being trapped in our base, and decide to have me go backdoor some raxes. Opposite team complains.
Was that BM, or us just abusing the fact that the opposite team was awful, or both? I've only rarely seen backdooring in casual (not serious) pro games that got extremely ridiculous (ie 2 lanes down on each side etc.) however extremely good counters by the backdoored team because they knew it was coming. Most leagues have rules against backdooring on anything but outer towers. Low blow all around, but in pub bnets push mechanics isn't understood at all and nobody carries TPs so they overcomplain. Even if you carry TPs, it's still a waste. It's a catch-22 for the BD-ed team at any level. Say Clinkz (or any other carry hero capable of BD-ing) back doors a tower, the other team carrying TPs have to be make a decision, either defend the backdoor, or counter-push. The latter isn't always an option and defending may take more than 1 hero. The second TPs are shown to the tower, the Clinkz runs away or TPs away or BoTs away, the Clinkz effectively just reset if all 5 TP-ed or (greatly) weakened map presence/control if less than 5 TP-ed. The worst part? You can't cancel your TP and fake a defense, because TPs have CD and more often than not, the BD-ing hero doesn't. If you let the Clinkz take the tower that's free gold for the entire team and a lost of map presence. There are no good benefits for the backdoored team, and any good outcomes are the exceptions rather than the rule. The general rule I have seen in IHLs and HS PUGs is that if the tower is in deny range, it's free game.
i didn't say tps were a be all end all. the point is it that its a pub and anything can work
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hey elemenope
hey, hey
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On April 20 2010 13:11 paper wrote:hey elemenope hey, hey
I see that Valve finally told you the truth ze.
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ryugie did u think "oh hey if i put a window up here it'll say 'you're bad'" or did your computer just give u that message?
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I think he's actually going to badlands.
Right, badwater. I haven't played TF2 for a while now.
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nah i was opened up firefox and it perfectly fit haha
and it's badwater :S
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On April 20 2010 09:46 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2010 09:36 N3rV[Green] wrote:
So guys, I just want a word of clarification here. Why is it bad mannered to kill a tower when no creeps are around?
If your team has no TP/posthaste/ANYTHING to get over there, then oh well you failed, why is it such a big deal?
This is mostly for HoN too, DOTA is beyond me. cause hon/dota communities are a bunch of whiners and are too lazy to think about the game so instead they ban anything they deem overpowered. i can only imagine what games like gunz would've been if they banned "overpowered" strats without actually taking the time to play with them and figure them out. out of curiosity to all the nobd supporters: why haven't the devs fixed it if it's oh so bad?
You're implying the devs understand the games at a deep level, I am sure you can come up with many instances where that clearly isn't the case for either HoN/DotA
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