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On August 19 2011 02:42 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 02:36 Durak wrote:On August 19 2011 02:32 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:10 Durak wrote:On August 19 2011 02:04 Nevuk wrote:
Plague rider just owns melee carries all game. Not much you can do about it - his shield totally negates pred's ult - the armor component is almost always higher than the -, and I believe generally slows pred more than the ult helps. PR also moves at 320 base MS so if you don't kill him during the slow he will generally just walk away, unless you can keep up enough for a second leap (via phase boots or some other means).
Other supports don't pose the same issue - Glacius, WS, VJ, etc. all get shredded by pred if they're out of position (do watch out for voodoo's ult - it's physical).
If you want to make completely baseless statements, we'll do it that way. Plague rider gets destroyed early game by predator. Plague rider only has his slow at that point which is useless against predator. Plague rider gets chased down by a ghostmarcher icebrand predator at any point mid-game. Plague rider gets destroyed by pred late game. Predator will kill him within seconds. Okay so when does plague rider own predator? Edit: Even if you take it to the extreme and say that both heroes are getting hard-carry-level farm all game, PR can never do anything against Predator. This shouldn't even be a discussion. Plague rider makes his TEAM own predator. He's also probably one of the better equipped supports for not dying to him. Also, i'm about 80% sure that his slow goes through stone skin. Stoneskin removes debuffs. I'm not trying to say PR is a bad hero. His skills are very useful. But you guys are theorycrafting perfect scenarios for plague rider owning predator. That's not how it works out in a real game. Yes, plague rider's armor is useful against predator. Yes, plague rider still gets eaten alive by predator. Predator is a hard carry with a magic immune skill, a leap with a 40% ms slow, an -armor, +as, +ms ult, and lifesteal. A support hero that does all magic damage isn't going to do anything against him. I just tested - stoneskin blocks the armor slow. In a teamfight predator frequently wants to leap a high hp hero who he can leech a lot of hp off of, +12 armor really hurts his orb, and the second his stoneskin is off he's -30% ms and -20 attack speed - if this is put on the high hp heroes and the carries, it doesn't really matter if plague rider gets owned 1v1 by predator. The 12 armor reduces the effectiveness of predator's lifeleech massively.
I agree. Plague rider is a very useful support hero. There are also plenty of other useful heroes. However, his concern was of how to play predator because he was having trouble chasing down heroes.
My statement was that predator should not have trouble chasing down heroes. The problem is how he is playing predator and not with the hero itself. He may have had trouble chasing down a plague rider but that one experience does not generalize. With a well-played predator, he tears through shit. The problem was probably that he was underfarmed and poorly played (not using ult, probably using stoneskin too early, making wrong items, moving inefficiently, etc.) and I am trying to get him to realize that rather than blame the heroes.
Blaming the hero is the last thing you should be doing.
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On August 19 2011 02:46 JeeJee wrote:
yeah, i don't really get this -- how does a support walk away from a predator with phase and a super short cd blink&slow? even without any items, you can leap on them, when the slow runs out you phase to keep up, and im pretty sure by the time the phase is over, your leap is up again. if somehow that's not enough, you get a slowing item.. and any slows put on you, you just laugh it off with your built-in bkb.
then there's your ult.
pred really shouldn't have trouble chasing almost anybody (which is what all of this started with -- why are you bringing up effectiveness of PR's armor vs carnivorous?)
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On August 19 2011 02:46 JeeJee wrote:
yeah, i don't really get this -- how does a support walk away from a predator with phase and a super short cd blink&slow? even without any items, you can leap on them, when the slow runs out you phase to keep up, and im pretty sure by the time the phase is over, your leap is up again. if somehow that's not enough, you get a slowing item.. and any slows put on you, you just laugh it off with your built-in bkb.
then there's your ult.
pred really shouldn't have trouble chasing almost anybody (which is what all of this started with -- why are you bringing up effectiveness of PR's armor vs carnivorous?)
Because I've had experiences as plague rider getting away from predator in exactly the way the person described at higher levels of play than 1650 - you don't necessarily have to get away, just stay alive long enough for help to come
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I will admit, it is true enough that if the predator is playing well enough then it really should not happen just because the predator will be able to judge the situation accurately whether or not they will get the kill from going in.
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On August 19 2011 02:50 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 02:46 JeeJee wrote:
yeah, i don't really get this -- how does a support walk away from a predator with phase and a super short cd blink&slow? even without any items, you can leap on them, when the slow runs out you phase to keep up, and im pretty sure by the time the phase is over, your leap is up again. if somehow that's not enough, you get a slowing item.. and any slows put on you, you just laugh it off with your built-in bkb.
then there's your ult.
pred really shouldn't have trouble chasing almost anybody (which is what all of this started with -- why are you bringing up effectiveness of PR's armor vs carnivorous?) Because I've had experiences as plague rider getting away from predator in exactly the way the person described at higher levels of play than 1650 - you don't necessarily have to get away, just stay alive long enough for help to come
Then maybe predator shouldn't be ganking a plague rider who has equal farm to him (?) on his own. I hear a team is pretty useful for a predator too. HoN is a game of many factors and you can't just select a few to justify your argument.
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On August 19 2011 02:53 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 02:50 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:46 JeeJee wrote:
yeah, i don't really get this -- how does a support walk away from a predator with phase and a super short cd blink&slow? even without any items, you can leap on them, when the slow runs out you phase to keep up, and im pretty sure by the time the phase is over, your leap is up again. if somehow that's not enough, you get a slowing item.. and any slows put on you, you just laugh it off with your built-in bkb.
then there's your ult.
pred really shouldn't have trouble chasing almost anybody (which is what all of this started with -- why are you bringing up effectiveness of PR's armor vs carnivorous?) Because I've had experiences as plague rider getting away from predator in exactly the way the person described at higher levels of play than 1650 - you don't necessarily have to get away, just stay alive long enough for help to come Then maybe predator shouldn't be ganking a plague rider who has equal farm to him (?) on his own. I hear a team is pretty useful for a predator too. HoN is a game of many factors and you can't just select a few to justify your argument.
I think basically what happened here is that I misinterpreted your argument -
I thought you were saying that predator completely rapes plague rider
when your argument was -
A well played predator player should be able to gank a plague rider.
Am I still misinterpreting it? Because I agree with the latter statement, sorry about the random posts.
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On August 19 2011 02:55 Nevuk wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 02:53 Durak wrote:On August 19 2011 02:50 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:46 JeeJee wrote:
yeah, i don't really get this -- how does a support walk away from a predator with phase and a super short cd blink&slow? even without any items, you can leap on them, when the slow runs out you phase to keep up, and im pretty sure by the time the phase is over, your leap is up again. if somehow that's not enough, you get a slowing item.. and any slows put on you, you just laugh it off with your built-in bkb.
then there's your ult.
pred really shouldn't have trouble chasing almost anybody (which is what all of this started with -- why are you bringing up effectiveness of PR's armor vs carnivorous?) Because I've had experiences as plague rider getting away from predator in exactly the way the person described at higher levels of play than 1650 - you don't necessarily have to get away, just stay alive long enough for help to come Then maybe predator shouldn't be ganking a plague rider who has equal farm to him (?) on his own. I hear a team is pretty useful for a predator too. HoN is a game of many factors and you can't just select a few to justify your argument. I think basically what happened here is that I misinterpreted your argument - I thought you were saying that predator completely rapes plague rider when your argument was - A well played predator player should be able to gank a plague rider. Am I still misinterpreting it? Because I agree with the latter statement, sorry about the random posts.
I do insist that predator does completely rape plague rider. His skills are perfect against plague rider. If you want to narrow it down to predator ganking plague rider, sure the second statement holds as well.
What I'm saying is that in a scenario where predator isn't strong enough to gank plague rider on his own, he shouldn't. He should be farming or doing something else instead. However, in a real game, predator is usually strong enough to chase down plague rider. That's all there is to it.
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plague rider owns predator
Obviously plague rider can die to a solo predator.
Plague rider rapes predator in any team fight as well as any other melee carry. If you want to run a melee carry you ban plague rider, simple.
All this theory crafting and numbers and shit is irrelevant. Plague rider's shield rapes melees.
Predator can kill anyone who doesn't have a blink 1v1 as long as their team doesn't help them. That's besides the point. You don't not pick plague because you think "oh no predator could kill me 1v1."
I mean when people are asking questions like "how does plague shield matter to carnivorous" then we aren't even on the same level of discourse here.
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On August 19 2011 03:21 Ganfei2 wrote:Predator can kill anyone who doesn't have a blink 1v1 as long as their team doesn't help them. That's besides the point. You don't not pick plague because you think "oh no predator could kill me 1v1."
What are you smoking. That's the entire point of this discussion.
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Btw, Plague Rider has something like a 55% win rate right now. That mouvement speed buff a few months ago turned out to be unnecessary.
He's certainly a good soft counter to Predator, but I personally prefer Demented Shaman versus him. The plus armor and negative armor both do wonders, the heal is also nice versus melee carries.
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On August 19 2011 03:21 Ganfei2 wrote:
plague rider owns predator
Obviously plague rider can die to a solo predator.
Plague rider rapes predator in any team fight as well as any other melee carry. If you want to run a melee carry you ban plague rider, simple.
All this theory crafting and numbers and shit is irrelevant. Plague rider's shield rapes melees.
Predator can kill anyone who doesn't have a blink 1v1 as long as their team doesn't help them. That's besides the point. You don't not pick plague because you think "oh no predator could kill me 1v1."
I mean when people are asking questions like "how does plague shield matter to carnivorous" then we aren't even on the same level of discourse here.
read the discussion please. we have a person claiming predator is useless because everyone can just walk away from him. this is hardly true and is the point of the discussion. plague shield vs carnivorous isn't relevant, at least not any more than 1500 green item + tp scroll or blink or a farmed armadon's back.
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What it comes down to is if you can get pred in a 2v1 situation where you can just kite him he becomes quite easy just need 2 heroes with disables, the problem with that is that you have to kill his whole team to find such situations or find him alone, and even so you have to usually outlast his stone skin and possibly an SH to get to that point. This also comes down to needed range units to kite him. I mean he's far form useless he just suffers the same problems that all melee caries have, getting in there once his team is down.
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On August 19 2011 04:47 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 03:21 Ganfei2 wrote:
plague rider owns predator
Obviously plague rider can die to a solo predator.
Plague rider rapes predator in any team fight as well as any other melee carry. If you want to run a melee carry you ban plague rider, simple.
All this theory crafting and numbers and shit is irrelevant. Plague rider's shield rapes melees.
Predator can kill anyone who doesn't have a blink 1v1 as long as their team doesn't help them. That's besides the point. You don't not pick plague because you think "oh no predator could kill me 1v1."
I mean when people are asking questions like "how does plague shield matter to carnivorous" then we aren't even on the same level of discourse here.
read the discussion please. we have a person claiming predator is useless because everyone can just walk away from him. this is hardly true and is the point of the discussion. plague shield vs carnivorous isn't relevant, at least not any more than 1500 green item + tp scroll or blink or a farmed armadon's back.
umm carnivorous is affected by armor
predator IS useless because everyone can walk away from him
1v1 isn't the issue, cause this isn't a 1v1 game
5v5, predator is very bad compared to almost any semi-ranged carry hero in a REAL game
sure in some scrubby 1600 game predator can 1v5 a team but that's never going to be the case in a "real" game where your opponents aren't morons, you can't just stick on one person during a fight in a real game, people will pick shit like plague, tundra, pbox heros etc that completely fucks with predator
also I'd be pretty cool with pred killing some underleveled support on the other side of the map instead of farming
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On August 19 2011 07:06 Ganfei2 wrote:
1v1 isn't the issue, cause this isn't a 1v1 game
On August 19 2011 01:22 Sm3agol wrote:
Ok, lets say I going to jump a plague rider. I activate stone skin and jump in. I have 5 seconds to kill him before he q's me and just flat out runs away from me. In this particular instance he also has his shield ability he can pop to survive that 5 seconds even better. I'll fully admit I might be doing something bad wrong, but it's happened quite a few times to me. Obviously if I have a support teamate to stun them to, i get the kill, but most heros can do that.
On August 19 2011 01:51 Sm3agol wrote:
So you're suggesting I ulti just to gank a lone PR? 0_o I definitely haven't been doing that. But then i tend to be overprotective of ultis. Maybe i should try that more often.
Looks like 1v1 is the issue.
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On August 19 2011 07:06 Ganfei2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 04:47 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 03:21 Ganfei2 wrote:
plague rider owns predator
Obviously plague rider can die to a solo predator.
Plague rider rapes predator in any team fight as well as any other melee carry. If you want to run a melee carry you ban plague rider, simple.
All this theory crafting and numbers and shit is irrelevant. Plague rider's shield rapes melees.
Predator can kill anyone who doesn't have a blink 1v1 as long as their team doesn't help them. That's besides the point. You don't not pick plague because you think "oh no predator could kill me 1v1."
I mean when people are asking questions like "how does plague shield matter to carnivorous" then we aren't even on the same level of discourse here.
read the discussion please. we have a person claiming predator is useless because everyone can just walk away from him. this is hardly true and is the point of the discussion. plague shield vs carnivorous isn't relevant, at least not any more than 1500 green item + tp scroll or blink or a farmed armadon's back. umm carnivorous is affected by armor predator IS useless because everyone can walk away from him 1v1 isn't the issue, cause this isn't a 1v1 game 5v5, predator is very bad compared to almost any semi-ranged carry hero in a REAL game sure in some scrubby 1600 game predator can 1v5 a team but that's never going to be the case in a "real" game where your opponents aren't morons, you can't just stick on one person during a fight in a real game, people will pick shit like plague, tundra, pbox heros etc that completely fucks with predator also I'd be pretty cool with pred killing some underleveled support on the other side of the map instead of farming
the person in question is 1550, why do you keep bringing up irrelevant stuff?
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Oh now I'm bringing up irrelevant things?
On August 19 2011 03:04 Durak wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 02:55 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:53 Durak wrote:On August 19 2011 02:50 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:46 JeeJee wrote:
yeah, i don't really get this -- how does a support walk away from a predator with phase and a super short cd blink&slow? even without any items, you can leap on them, when the slow runs out you phase to keep up, and im pretty sure by the time the phase is over, your leap is up again. if somehow that's not enough, you get a slowing item.. and any slows put on you, you just laugh it off with your built-in bkb.
then there's your ult.
pred really shouldn't have trouble chasing almost anybody (which is what all of this started with -- why are you bringing up effectiveness of PR's armor vs carnivorous?) Because I've had experiences as plague rider getting away from predator in exactly the way the person described at higher levels of play than 1650 - you don't necessarily have to get away, just stay alive long enough for help to come Then maybe predator shouldn't be ganking a plague rider who has equal farm to him (?) on his own. I hear a team is pretty useful for a predator too. HoN is a game of many factors and you can't just select a few to justify your argument. I think basically what happened here is that I misinterpreted your argument - I thought you were saying that predator completely rapes plague rider when your argument was - A well played predator player should be able to gank a plague rider. Am I still misinterpreting it? Because I agree with the latter statement, sorry about the random posts. I do insist that predator does completely rape plague rider. His skills are perfect against plague rider. If you want to narrow it down to predator ganking plague rider, sure the second statement holds as well. What I'm saying is that in a scenario where predator isn't strong enough to gank plague rider on his own, he shouldn't. He should be farming or doing something else instead. However, in a real game, predator is usually strong enough to chase down plague rider. That's all there is to it.
Maybe I wasn't even talking to you at all? Maybe you should "read the discussion." Wait let me edit this to make the text all bold so you can see what I'm talking about, I think maybe you'll miss it.
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chase down plague rider carry a tp watch pred cry as you port away.
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On August 19 2011 07:23 Ganfei2 wrote:Oh now I'm bringing up irrelevant things? Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 03:04 Durak wrote:On August 19 2011 02:55 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:53 Durak wrote:On August 19 2011 02:50 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:46 JeeJee wrote:
yeah, i don't really get this -- how does a support walk away from a predator with phase and a super short cd blink&slow? even without any items, you can leap on them, when the slow runs out you phase to keep up, and im pretty sure by the time the phase is over, your leap is up again. if somehow that's not enough, you get a slowing item.. and any slows put on you, you just laugh it off with your built-in bkb.
then there's your ult.
pred really shouldn't have trouble chasing almost anybody (which is what all of this started with -- why are you bringing up effectiveness of PR's armor vs carnivorous?) Because I've had experiences as plague rider getting away from predator in exactly the way the person described at higher levels of play than 1650 - you don't necessarily have to get away, just stay alive long enough for help to come Then maybe predator shouldn't be ganking a plague rider who has equal farm to him (?) on his own. I hear a team is pretty useful for a predator too. HoN is a game of many factors and you can't just select a few to justify your argument. I think basically what happened here is that I misinterpreted your argument - I thought you were saying that predator completely rapes plague rider when your argument was - A well played predator player should be able to gank a plague rider. Am I still misinterpreting it? Because I agree with the latter statement, sorry about the random posts. I do insist that predator does completely rape plague rider. His skills are perfect against plague rider. If you want to narrow it down to predator ganking plague rider, sure the second statement holds as well. What I'm saying is that in a scenario where predator isn't strong enough to gank plague rider on his own, he shouldn't. He should be farming or doing something else instead. However, in a real game, predator is usually strong enough to chase down plague rider. That's all there is to it. Maybe I wasn't even talking to you at all? Maybe you should "read the discussion." Wait let me edit this to make the text all bold so you can see what I'm talking about, I think maybe you'll miss it.
Talking to somebody else by quoting me, k.
Riveting tale, chap.
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Most melee carries such as pred are fairly easy kiteable with pushsticks/void talisman/area speed boost and such, that is why u rarely see melee carries in competetive games.
In lower level games where people don't really know how to kite and position themselfs properly. Melee carries with decent farm in straight up, face to face battles are often gonna role the other team.
There are a lot of other factors that matters too ofc, this was more a general view.
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On August 19 2011 07:34 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 07:23 Ganfei2 wrote:Oh now I'm bringing up irrelevant things? On August 19 2011 03:04 Durak wrote:On August 19 2011 02:55 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:53 Durak wrote:On August 19 2011 02:50 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:46 JeeJee wrote:
yeah, i don't really get this -- how does a support walk away from a predator with phase and a super short cd blink&slow? even without any items, you can leap on them, when the slow runs out you phase to keep up, and im pretty sure by the time the phase is over, your leap is up again. if somehow that's not enough, you get a slowing item.. and any slows put on you, you just laugh it off with your built-in bkb.
then there's your ult.
pred really shouldn't have trouble chasing almost anybody (which is what all of this started with -- why are you bringing up effectiveness of PR's armor vs carnivorous?) Because I've had experiences as plague rider getting away from predator in exactly the way the person described at higher levels of play than 1650 - you don't necessarily have to get away, just stay alive long enough for help to come Then maybe predator shouldn't be ganking a plague rider who has equal farm to him (?) on his own. I hear a team is pretty useful for a predator too. HoN is a game of many factors and you can't just select a few to justify your argument. I think basically what happened here is that I misinterpreted your argument - I thought you were saying that predator completely rapes plague rider when your argument was - A well played predator player should be able to gank a plague rider. Am I still misinterpreting it? Because I agree with the latter statement, sorry about the random posts. I do insist that predator does completely rape plague rider. His skills are perfect against plague rider. If you want to narrow it down to predator ganking plague rider, sure the second statement holds as well. What I'm saying is that in a scenario where predator isn't strong enough to gank plague rider on his own, he shouldn't. He should be farming or doing something else instead. However, in a real game, predator is usually strong enough to chase down plague rider. That's all there is to it. Maybe I wasn't even talking to you at all? Maybe you should "read the discussion." Wait let me edit this to make the text all bold so you can see what I'm talking about, I think maybe you'll miss it. Talking to somebody else by quoting me, k. Riveting tale, chap.
I mean, are you retarded? My original post had no quote in it and was preceded directly by what I was replying to. I then replied to you with my post that has your quote in it.
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On August 19 2011 08:10 Ganfei2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 07:34 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 07:23 Ganfei2 wrote:Oh now I'm bringing up irrelevant things? On August 19 2011 03:04 Durak wrote:On August 19 2011 02:55 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:53 Durak wrote:On August 19 2011 02:50 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:46 JeeJee wrote:
yeah, i don't really get this -- how does a support walk away from a predator with phase and a super short cd blink&slow? even without any items, you can leap on them, when the slow runs out you phase to keep up, and im pretty sure by the time the phase is over, your leap is up again. if somehow that's not enough, you get a slowing item.. and any slows put on you, you just laugh it off with your built-in bkb.
then there's your ult.
pred really shouldn't have trouble chasing almost anybody (which is what all of this started with -- why are you bringing up effectiveness of PR's armor vs carnivorous?) Because I've had experiences as plague rider getting away from predator in exactly the way the person described at higher levels of play than 1650 - you don't necessarily have to get away, just stay alive long enough for help to come Then maybe predator shouldn't be ganking a plague rider who has equal farm to him (?) on his own. I hear a team is pretty useful for a predator too. HoN is a game of many factors and you can't just select a few to justify your argument. I think basically what happened here is that I misinterpreted your argument - I thought you were saying that predator completely rapes plague rider when your argument was - A well played predator player should be able to gank a plague rider. Am I still misinterpreting it? Because I agree with the latter statement, sorry about the random posts. I do insist that predator does completely rape plague rider. His skills are perfect against plague rider. If you want to narrow it down to predator ganking plague rider, sure the second statement holds as well. What I'm saying is that in a scenario where predator isn't strong enough to gank plague rider on his own, he shouldn't. He should be farming or doing something else instead. However, in a real game, predator is usually strong enough to chase down plague rider. That's all there is to it. Maybe I wasn't even talking to you at all? Maybe you should "read the discussion." Wait let me edit this to make the text all bold so you can see what I'm talking about, I think maybe you'll miss it. Talking to somebody else by quoting me, k. Riveting tale, chap. I mean, are you retarded? My original post had no quote in it and was preceded directly by what I was replying to. I then replied to you with my post that has your quote in it.
You know what, you're right, I agree with you fully and on every point you make.
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On August 19 2011 07:23 Ganfei2 wrote:Oh now I'm bringing up irrelevant things? Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 03:04 Durak wrote:On August 19 2011 02:55 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:53 Durak wrote:On August 19 2011 02:50 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:46 JeeJee wrote:
yeah, i don't really get this -- how does a support walk away from a predator with phase and a super short cd blink&slow? even without any items, you can leap on them, when the slow runs out you phase to keep up, and im pretty sure by the time the phase is over, your leap is up again. if somehow that's not enough, you get a slowing item.. and any slows put on you, you just laugh it off with your built-in bkb.
then there's your ult.
pred really shouldn't have trouble chasing almost anybody (which is what all of this started with -- why are you bringing up effectiveness of PR's armor vs carnivorous?) Because I've had experiences as plague rider getting away from predator in exactly the way the person described at higher levels of play than 1650 - you don't necessarily have to get away, just stay alive long enough for help to come Then maybe predator shouldn't be ganking a plague rider who has equal farm to him (?) on his own. I hear a team is pretty useful for a predator too. HoN is a game of many factors and you can't just select a few to justify your argument. I think basically what happened here is that I misinterpreted your argument - I thought you were saying that predator completely rapes plague rider when your argument was - A well played predator player should be able to gank a plague rider. Am I still misinterpreting it? Because I agree with the latter statement, sorry about the random posts. I do insist that predator does completely rape plague rider. His skills are perfect against plague rider. If you want to narrow it down to predator ganking plague rider, sure the second statement holds as well. What I'm saying is that in a scenario where predator isn't strong enough to gank plague rider on his own, he shouldn't. He should be farming or doing something else instead. However, in a real game, predator is usually strong enough to chase down plague rider. That's all there is to it. Maybe I wasn't even talking to you at all? Maybe you should "read the discussion." Wait let me edit this to make the text all bold so you can see what I'm talking about, I think maybe you'll miss it.
LOL
Obviously pred beats plague 1v1 because he has 1 billion fucking tons of more farm than him but plague is good vs pred when you have more than 1 person on your team lol. Pred is melee but he has leap and stonehide + you want to get slows unless you have some other way to make them stand still. Also, stop theorycrafting 1v1 fights between heroes lol
Well melee carries start raping face late game but in HoN it's all about the midgame aggression pushing killing shit yo
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