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On August 19 2011 08:10 Ganfei2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2011 07:34 JeeJee wrote:On August 19 2011 07:23 Ganfei2 wrote:Oh now I'm bringing up irrelevant things? On August 19 2011 03:04 Durak wrote:On August 19 2011 02:55 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:53 Durak wrote:On August 19 2011 02:50 Nevuk wrote:On August 19 2011 02:46 JeeJee wrote:
yeah, i don't really get this -- how does a support walk away from a predator with phase and a super short cd blink&slow? even without any items, you can leap on them, when the slow runs out you phase to keep up, and im pretty sure by the time the phase is over, your leap is up again. if somehow that's not enough, you get a slowing item.. and any slows put on you, you just laugh it off with your built-in bkb.
then there's your ult.
pred really shouldn't have trouble chasing almost anybody (which is what all of this started with -- why are you bringing up effectiveness of PR's armor vs carnivorous?) Because I've had experiences as plague rider getting away from predator in exactly the way the person described at higher levels of play than 1650 - you don't necessarily have to get away, just stay alive long enough for help to come Then maybe predator shouldn't be ganking a plague rider who has equal farm to him (?) on his own. I hear a team is pretty useful for a predator too. HoN is a game of many factors and you can't just select a few to justify your argument. I think basically what happened here is that I misinterpreted your argument - I thought you were saying that predator completely rapes plague rider when your argument was - A well played predator player should be able to gank a plague rider. Am I still misinterpreting it? Because I agree with the latter statement, sorry about the random posts. I do insist that predator does completely rape plague rider. His skills are perfect against plague rider. If you want to narrow it down to predator ganking plague rider, sure the second statement holds as well. What I'm saying is that in a scenario where predator isn't strong enough to gank plague rider on his own, he shouldn't. He should be farming or doing something else instead. However, in a real game, predator is usually strong enough to chase down plague rider. That's all there is to it. Maybe I wasn't even talking to you at all? Maybe you should "read the discussion." Wait let me edit this to make the text all bold so you can see what I'm talking about, I think maybe you'll miss it. Talking to somebody else by quoting me, k. Riveting tale, chap. I mean, are you retarded? My original post had no quote in it and was preceded directly by what I was replying to. I then replied to you with my post that has your quote in it.
You need to relax. Just because this is the HoN/DotA thread doesn't mean you can act like the HoN/DotA community. Plus - jumping in halfway into a discussion that everyone was politely having and turning it into a shit fight is really unnecessary.
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Well....thanks for all the discussion guys, lol.
What I got from it.
Yes, in a purely hypothetical 1 v 1 scenario, yes pred will rape a PR. Practically, however, no, unless the guy playing PR is just completely clueless. If the PR just uses his abilities correctly, and isn't over 9000 miles from a tower or his nearest teamate, or even just has a tp, and unless the pred is ridiculously overfarmed, then in all likelihood, the PR will escape. Obviously if the pred has sheepstick, lvl 5 riftshards, bkb, icebrand, and lvl 5 codex, and a 7 level lead, sure, he'll flat out destroy him in 2 seconds, but most heroes can do that. So unless you specifically need a 1 v 1 hero to counter a melee hero like zephyr or pharoah, he's not going to be that useful assuming everyone plays around the same level.
TLDR: Don't play predator unless you have a team that knows what it's doing, because you won't be 1 v 5ing a team any time soon, I don't care what kind of farm you get. Pred is a 1 v 1 hero that can't actually dictate fights in a 1 v 1 scenario.
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Well pred doesn't even need to be that farmed to destroy a plague of hes out adventuring somewhere on the map but the plague really shouldnt be caught like that.
Pred is not a 1v1 hero. He's the same as any other melee carry and they all just happen to be great at 1v1 cuz sup they all have some form of leap or blink or something and they are mega farmed. Preds good in team fights but the game has to drag on very late or else your team will get wtfowned if their lineup is has ranged semicarries + wtf strong gankers and they abuse the fact that pred sucks dick until he has a bunch of items and just go kill you
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Pred isn't a "1v1" hero but if you think about it he does nothing but single target and occasionally buff his team with ult.
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and FUCK SHIT UP YO
you just need a ton of farm
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what, from my understanding pred can beat any hero 1v1 in HoN pretty easily, a lot of hon heroes are imba in that aspect
just ask testie, he said i was qualified to speak about it
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On August 19 2011 08:56 rabidch wrote:
what, from my understanding pred can beat any hero 1v1 in HoN pretty easily, a lot of hon heroes are imba in that aspect
just ask testie, he said i was qualified to speak about it
Pred in HoN is like radjacob's Troll Warlord in DotA; supreme 1v1er, no lie.
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Yeah, pred can faceroll the game pretty easily if he gets a good farm. Boots/Insant/Armor Aura thingy @ 25 mins, can probably kill most heroes in seconds. A lot of players just go frostburn/heart though and wonder why they can't kill anything. Attackspeed/armor reduction is where it's at.
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Sunye abuses his officer power, he should be demoted.
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On August 19 2011 09:10 Wala.Revolution wrote:
Sunye abuses his officer power, he should be demoted.
Naw - he promised to carry my mmr one day :p
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On August 19 2011 08:24 Sm3agol wrote:
Pred is a 1 v 1 hero that can't actually dictate fights in a 1 v 1 scenario.
Wrong. You get Harkon's on him and PR can suck his own shield = You dictate the terms now.
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Hon needs it's own sub forum TBH...
Apply for officer 
EST/PST time zone
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On August 19 2011 10:07 MoriyaGXP wrote:
Hon needs it's own sub forum TBH...
but $2 cant get a break cuz like micro$oft they were not smart enough to not use an s in their name like Valve and icefrog, although $team kind of works.
Dota $
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On August 19 2011 10:08 semantics wrote:but $2 cant get a break cuz like micro$oft they were not smart enough to not use an s in their name like Valve and icefrog, although $team kind of works.
They're just hiding their true nature: DotA = Defen$e of the Ancient$
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Can i play Dota on iccup without the legal game
also has anyone tried dotapod.com, what are ur opinions
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I ban people cuz I know grouty is gonna unban them
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Tralf rocking a vRs tag? Did i miss something, somewhere?
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I need officer back so i can undo all of sunyes dmg plz
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OK, so some questions about torturer play.
He obviously has a lot of good options and can be built a few different ways, but when laning mid vs dev... what build should I use? Should be really aggressive?
Should I be pumping the impalement vs dev? How about vs soulstealer? I read somewhere that aggressive play vs soulstealer is necessary, since he just beats you if you try to compete in a passive last-hitting game..
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I'm a fan of Tort mid going for max stun+agonizing bonds myself. The problem with impalement especially against dev is that he is going to hook and fight you in a creep wave and those creeps are going to soak impalement ticks so while you may salivate at the 1.6k damage or something from a full duration impalement on one target you'll rarely ever get that. The exception is if you think you're going to be really aggressive and push towers then go impalement+stun for building melting.
Tort in midlane is amazingly strong, you have 2 high damage nukes. You're a strong lasthitter with good range so just keep harassing soulstealer with autoattacks then combo stun+impalement to either kill or make him head back to fountain.
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