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ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
July 22 2011 06:47 GMT
#28261
On July 22 2011 04:25 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 03:02 hideo wrote:
New subbed 2009 commentary released!

Ehome vs LGD @ SMM '10

finally real commentating instead of the doublebad tobi + kellymilkies


Haha wow. Chinese commentary's on a completely different level just like Korean BW commentary was. Really superb both on the analytical side as well as presentation.
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
July 22 2011 14:15 GMT
#28262
On July 22 2011 15:47 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 04:25 rabidch wrote:
On July 22 2011 03:02 hideo wrote:
New subbed 2009 commentary released!

Ehome vs LGD @ SMM '10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUrtMZ0GN80

finally real commentating instead of the doublebad tobi + kellymilkies


Haha wow. Chinese commentary's on a completely different level just like Korean BW commentary was. Really superb both on the analytical side as well as presentation.

"Because Dota is a game where it's hard to know what will happen in the next second: you can only make predictions. ... No one can say their prediction is absolutely correct" (~57:30) - Wise man. This is an important point and tends to cause a lot of frustrations in teams with the wrong attitude. Obviously the better you get the better you are at predicting outcomes but there are so many factors that often times your idea is as good as mine. The main thing is to be aware all the time and watch your team as closely as your enemies.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 22 2011 14:23 GMT
#28263
On July 22 2011 15:47 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 04:25 rabidch wrote:
On July 22 2011 03:02 hideo wrote:
New subbed 2009 commentary released!

Ehome vs LGD @ SMM '10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUrtMZ0GN80

finally real commentating instead of the doublebad tobi + kellymilkies


Haha wow. Chinese commentary's on a completely different level just like Korean BW commentary was. Really superb both on the analytical side as well as presentation.

closest thing to day[9] dailies but 2009 is better at dota than day[9] is at bw and sc2.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 22 2011 17:29 GMT
#28264
On July 22 2011 23:15 Durak wrote:
Obviously the better you get the better you are at predicting outcomes but there are so many factors that often times your idea is as good as mine. The main thing is to be aware all the time and watch your team as closely as your enemies.


??? You'd be surprised how little fact is in that claim. It's not about predicting outcomes, it's about predicting options and when said options become no longer effective options is how people should approach team fights.
Get it by your hands...
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 22 2011 17:36 GMT
#28265
Played QoP for the first time.
That 3rd ability is so abusive.

Oh and Blink Dagger + Blink from QoP is lulz
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
July 22 2011 17:43 GMT
#28266
Played TvZ for the 3rd time, lurkers are so abusive.

Oh and hold + lurkers against MM is lulz
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 17:47:34
July 22 2011 17:47 GMT
#28267
On July 23 2011 02:43 Ganfei2 wrote:
Played TvZ for the 3rd time, lurkers are so abusive.

Oh and hold + lurkers against MM is lulz


No one cares, this is HoN. The Legion is OP. :B
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
Ganfei2
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
473 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 17:52:15
July 22 2011 17:51 GMT
#28268
I honestly cannot tell whether or not you've managed to catch on to what's happening here. I also don't get the Legion is OP if it's part of the joke.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 22 2011 18:01 GMT
#28269
Don't worry about it.
I also still hate playing the new Treant.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
LxRogue
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States1415 Posts
July 22 2011 18:58 GMT
#28270
I miss the old Tree with the original wards. That was so badass.
ZaaaaaM
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1828 Posts
July 22 2011 19:06 GMT
#28271
On July 23 2011 03:58 LxRogue wrote:
I miss the old Tree with the original wards. That was so badass.

I haven't played the new tree myself so I'm not gonna comment wether its an improvement or not, but fact is the old tree was pretty useless when playing against decent players. Courier+hatchet made him litteraly a walking ult.
no dude, the question
Durak
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Canada3685 Posts
July 22 2011 19:06 GMT
#28272
On July 23 2011 02:29 Judicator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 23:15 Durak wrote:
Obviously the better you get the better you are at predicting outcomes but there are so many factors that often times your idea is as good as mine. The main thing is to be aware all the time and watch your team as closely as your enemies.


??? You'd be surprised how little fact is in that claim. It's not about predicting outcomes, it's about predicting options and when said options become no longer effective options is how people should approach team fights.

An option is determined effective if it's outcome is good. That's exactly the same thing.
Wala.Revolution
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
7584 Posts
July 22 2011 19:07 GMT
#28273
On July 22 2011 15:47 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 04:25 rabidch wrote:
On July 22 2011 03:02 hideo wrote:
New subbed 2009 commentary released!

Ehome vs LGD @ SMM '10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUrtMZ0GN80

finally real commentating instead of the doublebad tobi + kellymilkies


Haha wow. Chinese commentary's on a completely different level just like Korean BW commentary was. Really superb both on the analytical side as well as presentation.


As much as I prefer Korean BW commentary over the few English ones I heard, some of the Korean commentators (notably from OGN) are pretty bad when it comes to actual game analysis sometimes.
Stuck.
XeliN
Profile Joined June 2009
United Kingdom1755 Posts
July 22 2011 19:09 GMT
#28274
Tort de lini is immune to sarcasm, nice try tho gan.
Adonai bless
ketomai
Profile Joined June 2007
United States2789 Posts
July 22 2011 19:14 GMT
#28275
On July 22 2011 23:23 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 15:47 ketomai wrote:
On July 22 2011 04:25 rabidch wrote:
On July 22 2011 03:02 hideo wrote:
New subbed 2009 commentary released!

Ehome vs LGD @ SMM '10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUrtMZ0GN80

finally real commentating instead of the doublebad tobi + kellymilkies


Haha wow. Chinese commentary's on a completely different level just like Korean BW commentary was. Really superb both on the analytical side as well as presentation.

closest thing to day[9] dailies but 2009 is better at dota than day[9] is at bw and sc2.


Well commentating sc and dota are obviously completely different. I think day9 can at least be a bit comparable to korean commentators because you only have to focus on the strategy of two people.

However, casting dota takes a lot of skill in delivery as well. Part of why people don't do so well is because it's hard to give the "big picture" as everything is happening and presenting it well.
2009 kept up very well with what was happening in all three lanes at the beginning individually and also continuously went back to the bigger picture as well. Then in team fights, he gave a direction for where the spells were going to go so he didn't have to describe all of them in great detail. Rather, he gave us the important part of the team fight, not just listing everything out on screen.

I guess my point is that dota doesn't just take knowledge of the game, casting actually takes "mechanical" skill too because you have to be able to know what's important to describe at the current moment because there's just too much otherwise, all while keeping the entire map in your scope. Actually most english commentators don't even come close to matching the analytical side of that cast let alone present it as well as he did.

I used to think dota was hard to watch because of these reasons but if someone was able to do it like that every game, this kind of genre is very action packed and enjoyable. Gotta go watch the previous 3 some other time .
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 22 2011 19:54 GMT
#28276
On July 23 2011 04:09 XeliN wrote:
Tort de lini is immune to sarcasm, nice try tho gan.


trolololol

Only Ziggy does good sarcasm. It's the British accent, guts me everytime.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
hongyLOVE
Profile Joined April 2011
United States30 Posts
July 22 2011 20:07 GMT
#28277
TORTELINI DELICIOUS!
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 20:17:18
July 22 2011 20:15 GMT
#28278
On July 23 2011 04:06 Durak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 23 2011 02:29 Judicator wrote:
On July 22 2011 23:15 Durak wrote:
Obviously the better you get the better you are at predicting outcomes but there are so many factors that often times your idea is as good as mine. The main thing is to be aware all the time and watch your team as closely as your enemies.


??? You'd be surprised how little fact is in that claim. It's not about predicting outcomes, it's about predicting options and when said options become no longer effective options is how people should approach team fights.

An option is determined effective if it's outcome is good. That's exactly the same thing.


No, it's not. Options are independent of the outcome. The reason 2009 says you can't predict the outcomes is because the options aren't set in stone because order matters. Thinking of outcomes is completely pointless because that's not what should be going through your head first when analyzing a situation. Why? Because it leads to shitty pigeonholing of situations based on experience.

The basic examples of this are the solo Viper and Huskar players who have no clue what to do when their orb-walk harassed gets blown the fuck up. Tell me what you would rather consider first, the outcome of your orb-walk or what options you have from orb-walking or not orb-walking.

Edit:

Should clarify that last sentence as in what options you have period as a X hero player not some outcome based on experience.
Get it by your hands...
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
July 22 2011 20:15 GMT
#28279
On July 23 2011 05:07 hongyLOVE wrote:
TORTELINI DELICIOUS!


Play more games with me ;D!
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-22 21:05:01
July 22 2011 21:04 GMT
#28280
On July 23 2011 04:14 ketomai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 22 2011 23:23 rabidch wrote:
On July 22 2011 15:47 ketomai wrote:
On July 22 2011 04:25 rabidch wrote:
On July 22 2011 03:02 hideo wrote:
New subbed 2009 commentary released!

Ehome vs LGD @ SMM '10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUrtMZ0GN80

finally real commentating instead of the doublebad tobi + kellymilkies


Haha wow. Chinese commentary's on a completely different level just like Korean BW commentary was. Really superb both on the analytical side as well as presentation.

closest thing to day[9] dailies but 2009 is better at dota than day[9] is at bw and sc2.


Well commentating sc and dota are obviously completely different. I think day9 can at least be a bit comparable to korean commentators because you only have to focus on the strategy of two people.

However, casting dota takes a lot of skill in delivery as well. Part of why people don't do so well is because it's hard to give the "big picture" as everything is happening and presenting it well.
2009 kept up very well with what was happening in all three lanes at the beginning individually and also continuously went back to the bigger picture as well. Then in team fights, he gave a direction for where the spells were going to go so he didn't have to describe all of them in great detail. Rather, he gave us the important part of the team fight, not just listing everything out on screen.

I guess my point is that dota doesn't just take knowledge of the game, casting actually takes "mechanical" skill too because you have to be able to know what's important to describe at the current moment because there's just too much otherwise, all while keeping the entire map in your scope. Actually most english commentators don't even come close to matching the analytical side of that cast let alone present it as well as he did.

I used to think dota was hard to watch because of these reasons but if someone was able to do it like that every game, this kind of genre is very action packed and enjoyable. Gotta go watch the previous 3 some other time .

btw he had watched that game before maybe once or twice and also he had the ability to slowdown. live casting is much more difficult
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
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