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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
On July 22 2011 04:25 rabidch wrote: finally real commentating instead of the doublebad tobi + kellymilkies Haha wow. Chinese commentary's on a completely different level just like Korean BW commentary was. Really superb both on the analytical side as well as presentation. | ||
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
On July 22 2011 15:47 ketomai wrote: Haha wow. Chinese commentary's on a completely different level just like Korean BW commentary was. Really superb both on the analytical side as well as presentation. "Because Dota is a game where it's hard to know what will happen in the next second: you can only make predictions. ... No one can say their prediction is absolutely correct" (~57:30) - Wise man. This is an important point and tends to cause a lot of frustrations in teams with the wrong attitude. Obviously the better you get the better you are at predicting outcomes but there are so many factors that often times your idea is as good as mine. The main thing is to be aware all the time and watch your team as closely as your enemies. | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On July 22 2011 15:47 ketomai wrote: Haha wow. Chinese commentary's on a completely different level just like Korean BW commentary was. Really superb both on the analytical side as well as presentation. closest thing to day[9] dailies but 2009 is better at dota than day[9] is at bw and sc2. | ||
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On July 22 2011 23:15 Durak wrote: Obviously the better you get the better you are at predicting outcomes but there are so many factors that often times your idea is as good as mine. The main thing is to be aware all the time and watch your team as closely as your enemies. ??? You'd be surprised how little fact is in that claim. It's not about predicting outcomes, it's about predicting options and when said options become no longer effective options is how people should approach team fights. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
That 3rd ability is so abusive. Oh and Blink Dagger + Blink from QoP is lulz | ||
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Ganfei2
473 Posts
Oh and hold + lurkers against MM is lulz | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 23 2011 02:43 Ganfei2 wrote: Played TvZ for the 3rd time, lurkers are so abusive. Oh and hold + lurkers against MM is lulz No one cares, this is HoN. The Legion is OP. :B | ||
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Ganfei2
473 Posts
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
I also still hate playing the new Treant. | ||
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LxRogue
United States1415 Posts
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ZaaaaaM
Netherlands1828 Posts
On July 23 2011 03:58 LxRogue wrote: I miss the old Tree with the original wards. That was so badass. I haven't played the new tree myself so I'm not gonna comment wether its an improvement or not, but fact is the old tree was pretty useless when playing against decent players. Courier+hatchet made him litteraly a walking ult. | ||
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
On July 23 2011 02:29 Judicator wrote: ??? You'd be surprised how little fact is in that claim. It's not about predicting outcomes, it's about predicting options and when said options become no longer effective options is how people should approach team fights. An option is determined effective if it's outcome is good. That's exactly the same thing. | ||
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Wala.Revolution
7583 Posts
On July 22 2011 15:47 ketomai wrote: Haha wow. Chinese commentary's on a completely different level just like Korean BW commentary was. Really superb both on the analytical side as well as presentation. As much as I prefer Korean BW commentary over the few English ones I heard, some of the Korean commentators (notably from OGN) are pretty bad when it comes to actual game analysis sometimes. | ||
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XeliN
United Kingdom1755 Posts
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ketomai
United States2789 Posts
On July 22 2011 23:23 rabidch wrote: closest thing to day[9] dailies but 2009 is better at dota than day[9] is at bw and sc2. Well commentating sc and dota are obviously completely different. I think day9 can at least be a bit comparable to korean commentators because you only have to focus on the strategy of two people. However, casting dota takes a lot of skill in delivery as well. Part of why people don't do so well is because it's hard to give the "big picture" as everything is happening and presenting it well. 2009 kept up very well with what was happening in all three lanes at the beginning individually and also continuously went back to the bigger picture as well. Then in team fights, he gave a direction for where the spells were going to go so he didn't have to describe all of them in great detail. Rather, he gave us the important part of the team fight, not just listing everything out on screen. I guess my point is that dota doesn't just take knowledge of the game, casting actually takes "mechanical" skill too because you have to be able to know what's important to describe at the current moment because there's just too much otherwise, all while keeping the entire map in your scope. Actually most english commentators don't even come close to matching the analytical side of that cast let alone present it as well as he did. I used to think dota was hard to watch because of these reasons but if someone was able to do it like that every game, this kind of genre is very action packed and enjoyable. Gotta go watch the previous 3 some other time  . | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 23 2011 04:09 XeliN wrote: Tort de lini is immune to sarcasm, nice try tho gan. trolololol Only Ziggy does good sarcasm. It's the British accent, guts me everytime. | ||
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hongyLOVE
United States30 Posts
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Judicator
United States7270 Posts
On July 23 2011 04:06 Durak wrote: An option is determined effective if it's outcome is good. That's exactly the same thing. No, it's not. Options are independent of the outcome. The reason 2009 says you can't predict the outcomes is because the options aren't set in stone because order matters. Thinking of outcomes is completely pointless because that's not what should be going through your head first when analyzing a situation. Why? Because it leads to shitty pigeonholing of situations based on experience. The basic examples of this are the solo Viper and Huskar players who have no clue what to do when their orb-walk harassed gets blown the fuck up. Tell me what you would rather consider first, the outcome of your orb-walk or what options you have from orb-walking or not orb-walking. Edit: Should clarify that last sentence as in what options you have period as a X hero player not some outcome based on experience. | ||
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Torte de Lini
Germany38463 Posts
On July 23 2011 05:07 hongyLOVE wrote: TORTELINI DELICIOUS! Play more games with me ;D! | ||
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rabidch
United States20289 Posts
On July 23 2011 04:14 ketomai wrote: Well commentating sc and dota are obviously completely different. I think day9 can at least be a bit comparable to korean commentators because you only have to focus on the strategy of two people. However, casting dota takes a lot of skill in delivery as well. Part of why people don't do so well is because it's hard to give the "big picture" as everything is happening and presenting it well. 2009 kept up very well with what was happening in all three lanes at the beginning individually and also continuously went back to the bigger picture as well. Then in team fights, he gave a direction for where the spells were going to go so he didn't have to describe all of them in great detail. Rather, he gave us the important part of the team fight, not just listing everything out on screen. I guess my point is that dota doesn't just take knowledge of the game, casting actually takes "mechanical" skill too because you have to be able to know what's important to describe at the current moment because there's just too much otherwise, all while keeping the entire map in your scope. Actually most english commentators don't even come close to matching the analytical side of that cast let alone present it as well as he did. I used to think dota was hard to watch because of these reasons but if someone was able to do it like that every game, this kind of genre is very action packed and enjoyable. Gotta go watch the previous 3 some other time .btw he had watched that game before maybe once or twice and also he had the ability to slowdown. live casting is much more difficult | ||
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