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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 20 2011 18:53 GMT
#28221
On July 21 2011 02:32 BlueRoyaL wrote:
okay, let me word it a little differently.

glacius isn't a hero in which an extremely good player can showcase their skills to the fullest extent. when i said she isn't a complex hero, what i meant was that her skills aren't hard to use and dont take much skill - which is why you can play her well if you just have good skills


Yeah. Tell that to players who can't play support. We went through this discussion already, but basically support isn't any harder to play than carry, nor is it easier. I find most support players in DotA more tight with their farm than your typical carry players.
Get it by your hands...
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
July 20 2011 21:15 GMT
#28222
On July 21 2011 01:54 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 00:46 Nevuk wrote:
On July 21 2011 00:26 Kragx wrote:
On July 20 2011 23:33 Nevuk wrote:
How do people like skilling glacius/cm ? I've been trying playing around with a few different ones and pretty much all of them seem to have advantages in certain situations.I generally am getting the aura to 2 and then trying maxing out another ability now.

I've also noticed people in dota skilling aura at 1


Depends on lanes and heroes. Usually nova 1, ice block 2, aura x3. Ulti sometimes at lvl 6 in dota, after the mana cost change, but not if you or the team is sacked. In general boots+magic stick/wand makes skilling ulti viable.

If you are going to push lane/push lanes back max nova afterwards, but if you need to time spells with kunkka/gladiator(i think it is in HoN) or if you're against blinking heroes you can consider skilling ice block higher than nova.

In general, don't skill untill you see opponents on lane. Nova have large cast range, and can hit multiple targets, but ice block can break animation on ES/behemoth. Also, if there's been mass fight in level 1 (and you're out of mana and clarities), consider taking aura level 2, and make sure to dodge fights as much as possible before level 3.
Passive 3-lane faceoff gains most from defensive nova harras (clarity cancle and can hit all 3 sometimes) but supporting a solo lane vs another solo usually benefits most from ice block.

This is how I typically build, but nova is such a good skill and now that it scales in slow/duration per level it seems useful to at least trade off between aura and it. (I almost always get ult at 6 just because of how good it is to tp to tower dives with. and teamfights in general)


On July 21 2011 00:04 PrideNeverDie wrote:
On July 20 2011 23:33 Nevuk wrote:
How do people like skilling glacius/cm ? I've been trying playing around with a few different ones and pretty much all of them seem to have advantages in certain situations.I generally am getting the aura to 2 and then trying maxing out another ability now.

I've also noticed people in dota skilling aura at 1


watch chinese dota players play cm. try to remember why they do the things they do. watch a lot of replays. 1 hour spent on replays will improve you much more than 1 hour spent in a dota pub. only watch chinese players.

Any dota teams/players in specific to watch? (or replays, that would be pretty great).

The problem with only watching Chinese players is that you don't get too much perspective about thinking outside the box, only the result of people who spent their time maximizing strategies according to their play. That's why DTS crushed EHOME in WDC in groups with a push strategy and made EHOME look like noobs who didn't know what they were doing. Sometimes they will pick unusual strategies but you have to follow the scene in order to know which games were played like that, many videos are only up in VoD.

Also CM isn't played this much this version so you have look around a little more.

That said, CM players to watch:
Gx (SL, former LGD), 820 (EHOME), ddc (CCM, former Dream), NS(M5, former DTS)

edit
that said aura level 1 is stupid


u forgot 830.GOD
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-20 21:34:34
July 20 2011 21:30 GMT
#28223
On July 21 2011 06:15 Kupon3ss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 01:54 rabidch wrote:
On July 21 2011 00:46 Nevuk wrote:
On July 21 2011 00:26 Kragx wrote:
On July 20 2011 23:33 Nevuk wrote:
How do people like skilling glacius/cm ? I've been trying playing around with a few different ones and pretty much all of them seem to have advantages in certain situations.I generally am getting the aura to 2 and then trying maxing out another ability now.

I've also noticed people in dota skilling aura at 1


Depends on lanes and heroes. Usually nova 1, ice block 2, aura x3. Ulti sometimes at lvl 6 in dota, after the mana cost change, but not if you or the team is sacked. In general boots+magic stick/wand makes skilling ulti viable.

If you are going to push lane/push lanes back max nova afterwards, but if you need to time spells with kunkka/gladiator(i think it is in HoN) or if you're against blinking heroes you can consider skilling ice block higher than nova.

In general, don't skill untill you see opponents on lane. Nova have large cast range, and can hit multiple targets, but ice block can break animation on ES/behemoth. Also, if there's been mass fight in level 1 (and you're out of mana and clarities), consider taking aura level 2, and make sure to dodge fights as much as possible before level 3.
Passive 3-lane faceoff gains most from defensive nova harras (clarity cancle and can hit all 3 sometimes) but supporting a solo lane vs another solo usually benefits most from ice block.

This is how I typically build, but nova is such a good skill and now that it scales in slow/duration per level it seems useful to at least trade off between aura and it. (I almost always get ult at 6 just because of how good it is to tp to tower dives with. and teamfights in general)


On July 21 2011 00:04 PrideNeverDie wrote:
On July 20 2011 23:33 Nevuk wrote:
How do people like skilling glacius/cm ? I've been trying playing around with a few different ones and pretty much all of them seem to have advantages in certain situations.I generally am getting the aura to 2 and then trying maxing out another ability now.

I've also noticed people in dota skilling aura at 1


watch chinese dota players play cm. try to remember why they do the things they do. watch a lot of replays. 1 hour spent on replays will improve you much more than 1 hour spent in a dota pub. only watch chinese players.

Any dota teams/players in specific to watch? (or replays, that would be pretty great).

The problem with only watching Chinese players is that you don't get too much perspective about thinking outside the box, only the result of people who spent their time maximizing strategies according to their play. That's why DTS crushed EHOME in WDC in groups with a push strategy and made EHOME look like noobs who didn't know what they were doing. Sometimes they will pick unusual strategies but you have to follow the scene in order to know which games were played like that, many videos are only up in VoD.

Also CM isn't played this much this version so you have look around a little more.

That said, CM players to watch:
Gx (SL, former LGD), 820 (EHOME), ddc (CCM, former Dream), NS(M5, former DTS)

edit
that said aura level 1 is stupid


u forgot 830.GOD

this guy?

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Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 20 2011 22:09 GMT
#28224
LOL so good.
Get it by your hands...
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
July 20 2011 22:13 GMT
#28225
what's happening there?
Kevmeister @ Dota2
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 20 2011 22:17 GMT
#28226
On July 21 2011 07:13 FliedLice wrote:
what's happening there?


Lich got stacked with a stupid number of the sticky icky from Batrider and died the minute the Batrider decided to go on it.
Get it by your hands...
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
July 21 2011 00:19 GMT
#28227
he was manning up, so i approve
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
July 21 2011 00:40 GMT
#28228
ooooo... (temporarily reformed) cD vs StarsBoba showmatch this friday.

Been curious about how SB's been doing. I think they're my favourite team to watch.
XnG_777
Profile Joined June 2011
713 Posts
July 21 2011 01:33 GMT
#28229
First good GGnet thread in months:
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O o
5-s
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1674 Posts
July 21 2011 01:39 GMT
#28230
On July 21 2011 10:33 XnG_777 wrote:
First good GGnet thread in months:
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O o

A load of bandwagoning in that, but yea it's well written and a good summary of the most popular teams in Europe.
I liked Dota before it was Mainstream.
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-21 02:22:56
July 21 2011 02:22 GMT
#28231
On July 21 2011 10:39 5-s wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 10:33 XnG_777 wrote:
First good GGnet thread in months:
+ Show Spoiler +
O o

A load of bandwagoning in that, but yea it's well written and a good summary of the most popular teams in Europe.

so much overrating of euro teams. the only way they'll beat the chinese atm is omniknight, shadow demon, and chinese are gonna autoban these at lans.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Judicator
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States7270 Posts
July 21 2011 03:35 GMT
#28232
Meh, the UA/Russians will bring something to the LAN. Magi is a janky tech pick that's been floating around, that hero is beefy as fuck like wtfogreclubbinurfacewit9000startinhp
Get it by your hands...
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
July 21 2011 03:58 GMT
#28233
On July 21 2011 12:35 Judicator wrote:
Meh, the UA/Russians will bring something to the LAN. Magi is a janky tech pick that's been floating around, that hero is beefy as fuck like wtfogreclubbinurfacewit9000startinhp

best hope they shape up before then since theres like 4 months to go, with all the sloppy play i've been seeing in all the recent foreigner games they really have to step their execution up because i can see the difference in the live chinese games i sometimes watch
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Kupon3ss
Profile Joined May 2008
時の回廊10066 Posts
July 21 2011 05:30 GMT
#28234
On July 21 2011 12:58 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 21 2011 12:35 Judicator wrote:
Meh, the UA/Russians will bring something to the LAN. Magi is a janky tech pick that's been floating around, that hero is beefy as fuck like wtfogreclubbinurfacewit9000startinhp

best hope they shape up before then since theres like 4 months to go, with all the sloppy play i've been seeing in all the recent foreigner games they really have to step their execution up because i can see the difference in the live chinese games i sometimes watch


Indeed, and since the team reformations in China, the scene's no longer dominated by 3 top teams constantly playing standard against each other. Push, gank, and hard carry strats, along with the return of 2-1-2, are all viable weapons in the current metagame
With a lot of new up and coming teams and vast arrays of dota "cheeses", the top Chinese teams have really become much more all-rounded, the other day WE did this Nec+Omiknight Push Strat that looked more polished than anything I've ever seen out of Europe
When in doubt, just believe in yourself and press buttons
Alur
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Denmark3900 Posts
July 21 2011 09:01 GMT
#28235
Happy a-bomb day Ether, if you'll excuse me I'm busy being shanked by my captors.
AKA No can Dazzle | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlTpX7z3Pok
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tempestulti
Profile Joined July 2011
14 Posts
July 21 2011 09:58 GMT
#28236
wow.... went from 1740 to 1690 haha damn tanked my mmr so hard.... Overall just having bad games and running into situations where i'll be forced to play a certain role/hero
Otolia
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
France5805 Posts
July 21 2011 10:55 GMT
#28237
N0tail doing a 24h marathon right now :
Fnatic MSI page
stream
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
July 21 2011 16:42 GMT
#28238
Thos game could be so great, but my last 10 fucking games were ruined by random idiots on my team... I got no problem at all with people who suck at the game, but if they just feed on purpose, go afk in the middle of the game, stay in the base from minute 1 and stay level 1 for the whole game, just argue about bullshit and ruin everybody elses game it drives me mad. And the opposing team always gives a fuck and doesn't even think about agreeing on the kick vote, because "HERP DERP ITS FREE WIN OLOOLOLOLOLOL U SUXXOR!" At some point a vein in my brain will pop and I'll just drop dead while playing HoN...


Anyway, what are the consequences in HoN if you get reportet? I guess pretty much nothing happens... Or do they actively punish people for being retarded fucks?
Kevmeister @ Dota2
TerraTron
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada137 Posts
July 21 2011 16:52 GMT
#28239
I'd suggest playing with either people you know or at least people from TL, much, much safer then solo queueing imo. Makes the game more fun because you don't have to (always) blow a huge gasket in the middle of the game.
hideo
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada1641 Posts
July 21 2011 18:02 GMT
#28240
New subbed 2009 commentary released!

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